Apple begins shipping white iPhone 4 to stateside retail stores - Page 3

Originally Posted by bobringer

Is it sexist to even ASK if differences between men and women and their take on fashion have any place in the conversation about how and who the white iPhone will sell to?

Originally Posted by bdkennedy1

Embarrassing? Try a fu**ing disaster.

Originally Posted by mstone

As I said in my original post that sparked this firestorm, I think fashionable women with plenty disposable income will opt to buy the white iPhone regardless of whether their contract is up or not. Those more frugal will wait. Either case the white iPhone is slightly more effeminate than the black, in my opinion. But it is still an iPhone. Since a number of guys here have stated that they think the white iPhone is sexy, attractive, stylish, etc. they are probably not republicans.

Originally Posted by bobringer

Most people came here to talk about the release of the white iPhone.

Seems there were a whole lot of people wearing the "PC God" badge on their sleeve. It's like they were checking in to foursquare to make sure they got enough in to get their "PC Badge" of the day. So... glad to see you finally started to crack down on this now.

Originally Posted by Apphole

[]Most women are totally clueless when it comes to computers. There might be a few exceptions to that rule, but overall, females need help from males when it comes to any computer related issues beyond the simplest of problems. This may be due to cultural issues or perhaps due to genetics. Either way, most women are worse at computers than men are.

Originally Posted by TBell

Apple sold almost twenty million iPhones last quarter. Not sure how that is a disaster.

Originally Posted by solipsism

You need to learn what PC means. No one is claiming there isn’t genetic differences. There are genetic differences between siblings, regardless of sex, even if they have the same parents.

The issue take is with the claim of inferiority based on a general difference.
You want to explain to us how being female means you are innately clueless when to comes to computers? You want to explain to us how something can be canon of one’s biology but also have exceptions when it’s the foundation for their inferiority? You want to explain to us why females need help from males in anything technical?

Originally Posted by TBell
Apple sold almost twenty million iPhones last quarter. Not sure how that is a disaster.

Originally Posted by solipsism

Have we heard any update to Android being activated on 350,000 devices per day? Has it increase, plateaued or dropped?

Android OS: 350,000 per day x 30 day = 9,000,000 per month
iPhone device: 18,600,000 per month ÷ 30 day = 620,000 per day That’s almost double Android for a phone that over 6 month old and only comes from one vendor. I’d think that Android being free, being on dozens of vendors and having more models come in a month than Apple has products they’d be flying well past that.

Originally Posted by bobringer

Well... I will say that I wasn't the one that said this. Reading back through the thread, I'm sure I did overgeneralize... but I don't think anyone can say there wasn't over the top political correctness going on (again, not from everybody).

The real problem is that the conversation started WITHOUT anything remotely sexist. I mean, not even close... mstone made an observation that would have been obvious to Stevie Wonder. Post #18, Prof. Peabody started with the "sexist" comments without any basis. I'll admit, I missed Apple ]['s first comment on this and I wouldn't agree with his statement in general.

MY ultimate response was in seeing this SPECIFICALLY attacked as sexist several times: "I think that cultural issues make up probably 95%. Genetic issues might only account for a very small percentage, but there are slight differences between the male brain VS female brain and there are also hormonal issues involved."

Sick of living in a world where reactionaries freak out at any factually correct statements just because it doesn't make them "feel" good.

Originally Posted by solipsism

1) I would have ignored mstones more mold comment, but Apple ][ drove it out of the park (a sports reference to a sport that woman cant play and that colored werent allowed to play not to long ago because of their genetic inferiority). See what I did there?

2) I have no concern for political correctitude. There is nothing in me that makes me care about the feelings of people for the use of certain words and terms. I do, however, care about the implied meaning behind peoples words. IOW, it is about the mindset, not the language that I wholeheartedly know is incorrect and leads to prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination within a society. As an armchair linguist and anthropologist I can source more than enough examples.

3) What he wrote in the text you quote above is innocuous for the most part but his other words give a deeper meaning to that statement. Hes making some quasi-sciency claims with a made up numerical value and then inserting that into a claim that women are inferior to men per his other comments. That is not science! That is not true!

4) I will refrain from a invoking Godwins law despite it actually being apropos in this case and will instead refer to 19th century German physician Johann Friedrich Blumenbach who basically did the same thing with his degeneration theory that lead to the various races. Basically, Blumenbach did comparative studies of human skulls and found that a woman's skull from the Caucasus mountains between Turkey and Russia was the most beautiful as it was more symmetrical and round, thus indicating natural's ideal form and God's original creation. Based on this criteria, he concluded these mountains were the origin of the first humans, and he concluded that all light-skinned peoples belonged to the same race, thus dropping Linnaeus' "European" classification and replacing it with Caucasian. Its odd that we use that Caucasian as the PC term when it arose from a religious base wrapped in bigotry, but I dont see it as an issue since its just a s series of letters and tonal vibrations without the original implication for nearly everyone.

Originally Posted by mstone

... I love smart women....

Originally Posted by solipsism

Dont pretend to use science to hide behind your bigotry and hate.


You sound a lot like Thomas Jefferson in your rationalization as to why your fellow human being is inferior to you by design.

"Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one [black] could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.

He goes on to praise their musical talent, but not in poetry and math where they were inferior by design. That they were lazy. That they lacked logic skills and they smelled bad.

Then there was the brilliant, young, female poet Phillis Wheatley. She was the first African American poet and the first African-American woman whose writings were published. Jefferson stated she wasnt a poet at all, she just mimic the things she had already read simply because he couldnt bring himself to believe this girl was capable of such things.

You disgust me!

Originally Posted by city

Are you saying most are stupid?
I am queuing up on April 27 for a white iPhone 4 for my girlfriend. I am going to keep using my white iPhone 3s.

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

And if Thomas Jefferson lived Today it would be disgusting. He lived during the days when Slavery was a long tradition of suppression where one race felt intellectually superior to another.

To compare the moral compass of 1770 or earlier to 2011 is embarrassing and myopic, not to mention mentally stunted and one looking to strengthen their position artificially by comparing a well respected philosopher whose impact has brought about a myriad of modern thoughts to being less than your own, all the while ignoring your advantage of > 200 years of human causality to stand high on your horse.

Originally Posted by Jacksons

Wow! Can we close this thread? This thing has really gone off the rails.

Originally Posted by paxman

Amazing how the white iPhone can bring out the idiot in so many people.

Originally Posted by solipsism

Dont blame whitey.

Originally Posted by hentaiboy

Solipsism is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist...the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist... \

Originally Posted by solipsism

WTF is with all these sexist and misogynistic comments?

To quote the prophet Tupac:

And since we all came from a woman.
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman.
I wonder why we take from our women.
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?

Yeah but it is white?

Originally Posted by solipsism

There are plenty during his time and long before that didnt feel their fellow man was inferior by design. Its disgusting throughout the history of man not just today. Morality is a choice, not a convenience of the times.

Originally Posted by Apple ][

Most women are totally clueless when it comes to computers. There might be a few exceptions to that rule, but overall, females need help from males when it comes to any computer related issues beyond the simplest of problems. This may be due to cultural issues or perhaps due to genetics. Either way, most women are worse at computers than men are.

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

And if Thomas Jefferson lived Today it would be disgusting. He lived during the days when Slavery was a long tradition of suppression where one race felt intellectually superior to another.

To compare the moral compass of 1770 or earlier to 2011 is embarrassing and myopic, not to mention mentally stunted and one looking to strengthen their position artificially by comparing a well respected philosopher whose impact has brought about a myriad of modern thoughts to being less than your own, all the while ignoring your advantage of > 200 years of human causality to stand high on your horse.

Originally Posted by Unicron

I'm a guy, and I've always had a white iPhone since they started making them. White iPhones are cool because they are different. As a matter of personal preference, I think they look cleaner and more high tech than looking like every other black gizmo out there. White gadgets are very 2001: A Space Odyssey!

On another note: do commenters realize how sexist their white iPhone remarks are?

Originally Posted by xSamplex

Aside from Liberace and the chicks from Sex in the City, what self respecting person would care about a white telephone, let alone particularly want one?

Originally Posted by ncee

and what sucks for Apple ; is someone or everyone will still find something wrong with the damn thing!

Skip

Originally Posted by drobforever

iPhone 5 will still come out in June/July, and then there will be a lot of complaints from people would bought into the "Sept launch" hype.

Originally Posted by NOFEER

i think you are right on
i think that the iphone 5 is actually iphone 4S just as the 3g and 3gs had same form factor

true iphone 5 will be much later, geared to android adoption, as a ace in the hole in case they need it with those other features including iphone wallet, LTE, which needs better more efficient chips, and how to handle voice

also, as they wait more and more will simply go to android, they are not slowing down
yes they are fragmented, and which andoid os is important to know, i will agree android is very confusing

the form factor of ip4 is near ideal, if they make the screen a little bigger and bump the chips and graphics bingo, many will buy

if i knew what i know now, about verizon, my great deal with att since i've been there so long, unlimited data being kept
I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT IPHONE 4 in june
but i held on to the rumors, yea right, i don't want to wait till sept

but apple can't wait 15 months for a refresh when android is getting new stuff and buzz every month

SJ doesn't want to lose momentum

Originally Posted by bobringer

Actual question for the PC crowd (that I pretty harshly went after in my last post ;-) )

I am actually curious to know the honest answer to this.


Is it sexist to even ASK if differences between men and women and their take on fashion have any place in the conversation about how and who the white iPhone will sell to?

Originally Posted by brucep

THIS IS THE worst topic in months . some sick stuff was said here. if someone loves a white iphone that does not make him ....

anyway the apple culture has changed i guess .

moving forward a white phone must be a elegant look . well worth the wait ,


peace



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