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Apple's 'iPhone 6' to employ Sharp's next-gen p-Si LCDs in spring 2012

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Apple has reportedly selected Sharp to create next-generation low-temperature poly-silicon LCD displays, which will allow a thinner and lighter design for the anticipated sixth-generation iPhone in 2012.

Sharp will begin manufacturing of the displays in the spring of next year, according to Japanese newspaper Nikkan (via Google Translate). The company is said to have already begun preparing equipment at its Kameyama Plant No. 1, which is primarily used for building LCD TVs.

The liquid crystal display on the anticipated "iPhone 6" is said to feature "low-temperature poly-silicon" technology, a next-generation display format that allows for thinner and lighter screens that consume less power than traditional LCD screens.

In a "p-Si LCD," the thin film transistor, or TFT, of the screen is made of polycristalline silicon. With this method, the display drivers can be mounted directly onto the glass substrate, shrinking the TFT section and allowing for a thinner LCD display.

This technology has allowed companies to create "system on glass" devices, in which the optical sensors, signal processing circuits and other components are located directly on the glass substrate. This negates the need for additional components in a device like an iPhone, saving space within the device and even improving battery life with increased efficiency.

Other advantages of a p-Si display are said to be a higher aperture ratio, which allow for more vivid images onscreen, and enhanced durability, with the amount of connecting pins reduced.

p-Si LCD technology informational graphics Toshiba Mobile Display.

The display of the iPhone 4 is a major selling point of the device, with the high-density 326ppi screen dubbed a "Retina Display" by Apple. Apple also pushed the in-plane switching screen of the iPad last year, a feature that allows enhanced viewing angles, and one that returned again for the new iPad 2.

The rumors of a p-Si LCD would suggest that Apple is not considering organic LED displays, an alternative low-power technology that has been pushed in iPhone-competing devices like the Samsung Galaxy S. Numerous rumors have suggested that Apple has shown interest on OLED, but the iPhone maker has not utilized the technology in any of its devices.
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ok people, can we TRY to keep our rumors at least somewhat coherent? Spring 2012? After a Fall 2011 iPhone 5? Once again, the rumor mill making zero sense.
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ok people, can we TRY to keep our rumors at least somewhat coherent? Spring 2012? After a Fall 2011 iPhone 5? Once again, the rumor mill making zero sense.

I suppose if they start manufacturing them in the spring, it could be used for a phone in the fall of 2012?
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ok people, can we TRY to keep our rumors at least somewhat coherent? Spring 2012? After a Fall 2011 iPhone 5? Once again, the rumor mill making zero sense.

Why should we expect rumors to be consistent?
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Iphone 6? Let's finish gossiping on the iphone 5 before we move on to 6, 7 or 8
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Crap, we don't even have 5 yet and we are already talking about 6? WTF?
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ok people, can we TRY to keep our rumors at least somewhat coherent? Spring 2012? After a Fall 2011 iPhone 5? Once again, the rumor mill making zero sense.

So you expect Apple to instantaneously ship the iPhone 6 after the displays are made? If the displays are starting to be manufactured in the spring, a summer or fall release of the iPhone 6 makes sense.

Incoherence not found.

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Apple has reportedly selected Sharp to create next-generation low-temperature poly-silicon LCD displays, which will allow a thinner and lighter design for the anticipated sixth-generation iPhone in 2012.

The liquid crystal display on the anticipated "iPhone 6" is said to feature "low-temperature poly-silicon" technology, a next-generation display format that allows for thinner and lighter screens that consume less power than traditional LCD screens.


OK folks, that was the rumor about the iPhone 6. Now let's move on and spread some gossip about the iPhone 7, shipping in mid summer 2013.
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The Retina Display employed in iPhone 4 is already a LTPS IPS LED backlit TFT LCD (Acronym Galore, I know)

At least according to iSuppli:

http://www.isuppli.com/Display-Mater...-Displays.aspx

(CMD - F "LTPS")

Either Sharp's next gen LCD has something more than simply LTPS or AI is making a big fuss out of nothing.
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I have heard from someone the iPhone10 will have a... oh, never mind
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Well, whenever p-Si displays make their way to iDevices, the technology sounds incredibly promising! With reduced thickness and power consumption, and integration of other components directly onto the SoG, a power-friendly, and possibly even thinner (not that it needs to be IMO), 4G/LTE iPhone finally sounds more feasible.

I'll be mid-contract on my iPhone 4 this summer or fall anyway, so I won't be considering an upgrade until iPhone 6.

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So how long until we see a "system on a display?"
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I'm waiting for the iPhone X - or maybe the iPhone XXX
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I'm waiting for the iPhone X - or maybe the iPhone XXX

Nah no XXX for iPhones!
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The Retina Display employed in iPhone 4 is already a LTPS IPS LED backlit TFT LCD (Acronym Galore, I know) ... Either Sharp's next gen LCD has something more than simply LTPS or AI is making a big fuss out of nothing.

I think the fuss is about the "system on a screen" part. The implication is that the digitiser and all the multi-touch sensors could be integrated into the screen and thus one part instead of multiple parts, and the overall being thinner than any of the originals.

If Apple is working closely with them on the new tech and the display is also a retina display, then this would make the next iPad even thinner and lighter at the same time they move up to the sharper, higher-res display.

Could be fantastic, except six months later all the Android guys will be adding similar displays to their gear. I'm starting to think Apple should really own a screen manufacturing plant (and the technology) outright so as to deny their innovations and ideas to others.
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OK folks, that was the rumor about the iPhone 6. Now let's move on and spread some gossip about the iPhone 7, shipping in mid summer 2013.

iPhone 7 rumor, hmmm? Okay...

Well I heard that on the iPhone 7, Apple will update the iOS to have a "Boot Camp" partition like feature that will allow it to run both iOS and Android and have the A-10 chip called the Warthog with the GAU-8/A RAM that will fire off 4200 rounds of instructions a minute.
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No AI misunderstood the rumor. The whole system is the glass. iPhone 6 is actually a single piece of glass, the entire backing of which is the battery and will be edged in a liquid metal antenna that also has touch controls.

The glass also resonates making the whole surface into a speaker and contains a switchable layer that provides a camera sensor the size of the phone, quite unprecedented it will be the first phone to match a RED video sensor.

The 30pin is simply a notched area which uses a MagSafe type flat connector. It only activates with the cable in place so the device has no "insides" and is water proof.

They are still having some aesthetic issues. Steve wants the battery transparent also so the camera is two way and the whole screen can be an augmentation plane without having to capture and redisplay the "behind" scene as video.
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Well, whenever p-Si displays make their way to iDevices, the technology sounds incredibly promising! With reduced thickness and power consumption, and integration of other components directly onto the SoG, a power-friendly, and possibly even thinner (not that it needs to be IMO), 4G/LTE iPhone finally sounds more feasible.

But will you be able to see stuff under direct sunlight?

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Stop already! You don't even know what's in the upcoming version never mind the version after it.
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Why should we expect rumors to be consistent?

Especially when almost all of them turn out to be false.
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Nah no XXX for iPhones!

I was thinking more along the lines of xXx with car chases and explosions - or Futurama - when Bender says Blackmail is such an ugly word - I prefer Extortion - the X makes it sound cool.

then again where are all the fabulous new dock connector accessories that are supposed to be possible now - could be some XXX attachments.
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I think the fuss is about the "system on a screen" part. The implication is that the digitiser and all the multi-touch sensors could be integrated into the screen and thus one part instead of multiple parts, and the overall being thinner than any of the originals.

But Retina Display already glued the front panel/digitizer to the LCD. my understanding is the main hurdle is actually structural strength. You simply can't make the glass thinner without advances from Corning.

Also the system on a screen part is inherently LTPS's advantage, because integrating driver IC into the glass panel reduces cost, so it's panel manufacturers' priority.
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No AI misunderstood the rumor. The whole system is the glass. iPhone 6 is actually a single piece of glass, the entire backing of which is the battery and will be edged in a liquid metal antenna that also has touch controls.

The glass also resonates making the whole surface into a speaker and contains a switchable layer that provides a camera sensor the size of the phone, quite unprecedented it will be the first phone to match a RED video sensor.

The 30pin is simply a notched area which uses a MagSafe type flat connector. It only activates with the cable in place so the device has no "insides" and is water proof.

They are still having some aesthetic issues. Steve wants the battery transparent also so the camera is two way and the whole screen can be an augmentation plane without having to capture and redisplay the "behind" scene as video.

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... I'm starting to think Apple should really own a screen manufacturing plant (and the technology) outright so as to deny their innovations and ideas to others.

Having the bankroll to essentially buy up most of the available output is almost as good.
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No AI misunderstood the rumor. The whole system is the glass. iPhone 6 is actually a single piece of glass, the entire backing of which is the battery and will be edged in a liquid metal antenna that also has touch controls.

The glass also resonates making the whole surface into a speaker and contains a switchable layer that provides a camera sensor the size of the phone, quite unprecedented it will be the first phone to match a RED video sensor.

The 30pin is simply a notched area which uses a MagSafe type flat connector. It only activates with the cable in place so the device has no "insides" and is water proof.

They are still having some aesthetic issues. Steve wants the battery transparent also so the camera is two way and the whole screen can be an augmentation plane without having to capture and redisplay the "behind" scene as video.

That's not a bad set of ideas, you know. Except for the all glass design (likely to break.) I vote for transparent aluminum.
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This article is quite misleading:

1) the Retina Display in the iPhone 4 is already based on LTPS (or p-Si) which is the key TFT technology behind its higher resolution,

2) Sharp is believed to be the manufacturer of the "Retina Display" found in the iPod touch 4G (based on MVA Liquid Crystal, not IPS),

3) The use of LTPS does not preclude AMOLED display. On the contrary, LTPS is required to obtain high resolution AMOLED displays...
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Iphone 6? Let's finish gossiping on the iphone 5 before we move on to 6, 7 or 8

But... but... iPhone 8 will be the first phone on the market with a coherent water vapor display! That makes it newsworthy NOW!

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I'm starting to think Apple should really own a screen manufacturing plant (and the technology) outright so as to deny their innovations and ideas to others.

What innovations?

Apple don't develop basic technologies, they just purchase already developed tech from it's real developers and contract the manufacture of products incorporating it.

The amount of ludicrous garbage that gets spouted on AI about Apple developing all these technologies is pitiful.

Apples approach to tech and it's development can be summed up as -'why buy the cow when all you want is milk.'
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what innovations?

Apple don't develop basic technologies, they just purchase already developed tech from it's real developers and contract the manufacture of products incorporating it.

The amount of ludicrous garbage that gets spouted on ai about apple developing all these technologies is pitiful.

Apples approach to tech and it's development can be summed up as -'why buy the cow when all you want is milk.'

wtf ???
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Apples approach to tech and it's development can be summed up as -'why buy the cow when all you want is milk.'

Except they bought P.A. Semi and make their own batteries. Your point is bunk.

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So you expect Apple to instantaneously ship the iPhone 6 after the displays are made? If the displays are starting to be manufactured in the spring, a summer or fall release of the iPhone 6 makes sense.

Incoherence not found.

-kpluck

the headline said: "Apple's 'iPhone 6' to employ Sharp's next-gen p-Si LCDs in spring 2012"

incoherence found.
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Announced on the same day that Toshiba blogs about their new 7" display, fusing the capacitive touch layer and LCD into an integrated panel just 1mm thick. Added benefit of half the weight and less reflection of current LCD. So now we have Sharp, Samsung and Toshiba all with "next generation display" technology.

At least touch display panels shouldn't be in short supply in the near future.
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ok people, can we TRY to keep our rumors at least somewhat coherent? Spring 2012? After a Fall 2011 iPhone 5? Once again, the rumor mill making zero sense.

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Iphone 6? Let's finish gossiping on the iphone 5 before we move on to 6, 7 or 8

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Crap, we don't even have 5 yet and we are already talking about 6? WTF?

Really people? Should they also exclude any new patents which may or may not arrive for a device in several years simply because it cant be included in the next release? If you dont want to read about future tech then you should have stopped when you read iPhone 6 in the title.


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Except they bought P.A. Semi and make their own batteries. Your point is bunk.

Ive never read anything about PA Semi creating battery tech.
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And the white version will be out in 2021.
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FYI, iPhone 20 will be the first cranial implant iPhone.

My Magic 8-Ball told me so.
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Announced on the same day that Toshiba blogs about their new 7" display, fusing the capacitive touch layer and LCD into an integrated panel just 1mm thick. Added benefit of half the weight and less reflection of current LCD. So now we have Sharp, Samsung and Toshiba all with "next generation display" technology.

At least touch display panels shouldn't be in short supply in the near future.

1) When you mention a competing product, especially a cool one others have likely not heard about, its nice to also post a link to it.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/26/t...ust-1mm-thick/ 2) Its interesting 'Toshiba emphasizes the use of its technology in "vehicle-mounted" and "industrial applications where weight and power consumption are usually not an issue. They also make no mention of power requirements compared to other display tech. The press release mentions saving resources and power but that could very well be in the construction of the device, not its usage, or in usage the saving could be minuscule, thus making it less ideal over other such technologies in the works.

3) In February Synamptics revealed their 1mm display tech. CES 2012 should see a lot of extra thin devices.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/s...ands-on-video/
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Except they bought P.A. Semi and make their own batteries. Your point is bunk.

Ive never read anything about PA Semi creating battery tech.

he didn't say pa semi made batteries. he said they bought pa semi and they make their own batteries. if i say i bought gum and tied my shoes, do you read that to mean my gum tied my shoes?
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he didn't say pa semi made batteries. he said they bought pa semi and they make their own batteries.

Ah.


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if i say i bought gum and tied my shoes, do you read that to mean my gum tied my shoes?

It does if I misread the sentence.
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I read somewhere that you can beam up with iPhone 28 (so thrilled)

Don't you mean iPhone Scotty?
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I think the fuss is about the "system on a screen" part. The implication is that the digitiser and all the multi-touch sensors could be integrated into the screen and thus one part instead of multiple parts, and the overall being thinner than any of the originals.

If Apple is working closely with them on the new tech and the display is also a retina display, then this would make the next iPad even thinner and lighter at the same time they move up to the sharper, higher-res display.

Could be fantastic, except six months later all the Android guys will be adding similar displays to their gear. I'm starting to think Apple should really own a screen manufacturing plant (and the technology) outright so as to deny their innovations and ideas to others.

As we know, Apple doesn't do anything unless it makes a profit. It costs several billion to build a display plant. With the number of displays Apple would need going forward, would it break even, at least? And what about newer tech? Plants need to be upgraded, or new ones built for every new generation of display. It makes batter sense to go in with Sharp, or another manufacturer in some way that would allow them to keep the tech for themselves for a year.
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