Obama Releases "Birth Certificate" - Page 3

Let's be clear: I believe he was born in the US. But there has been an awful lot of discrepancy and debate about this document. Some of those items are still unexplained, such as the numbers written down the side.

Additionally, it's my understanding that until recently, Wikipedia stated that Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital was not named that until 1978. However, checking that page today, I notice that Wiki now says that name was acquired in 1931 (formerly Kapiʻolani Maternity Home). I also have see that other birth certs from the time have the name "Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital." The hospital website doesn't appear to have that information on it. All in all, It would appear this question has been answered.

The other question I had pertained to what constitutes a "birth certificate" in Hawaii. I'm not sure this is completely explained. From my understanding, people can use the "short form" to get drivers' licenses, passports, etc. They can, but must they?From my understanding, again, this "short form" is an abstract of the actual birth information, and and "long form" is really the actual state record kept by the state itself (not a "certificate" per se).

This is different from my birth cert. I have a birth certificate that stays in my possession. It is from the state of NY. If I wanted a copy, I would either scan mine, or order another copy from the state. That copy would not be an abstract...it would be a hard copy on heavy paper with a raised seal. As far as I know, that is the only "birth cert" available in NY. In fact, I know this because I actually had to order an official copy when I got my vehicle learner's permit in PA. It seems I had never gotten an "official" cert from NY, only one from the hospital (I know...let the irony bombs fly on that one). It would seem that NY doesn't send an abstract or a long form copy of the record, they send an actual "certificate."

So with all that, does Obama have an actual "birth certificate" as I've described? If not, why? Is the the "short form" considered the only true Hawaii "birth certificate?" If so, then why is there another "long form?" Isn't the long form just a copy of the book where the state keeps its records? Is it lost?

Where I take issue with BR and others is where they positively blast me for even ASKING these questions. This has been the response of the mainstream media and the Obama admin itself as well. All such such questions are dismissed as looney, racist, ignorant, etc. Really? Is it really hard to understand why a sizable minority of people would question the President's place of birth given his rather unique backstory? It's hard to understand why people believe Obama is a Muslim, given that he was registered at school as a Muslim in Indonesia and has talked about attending a Muslim school? There is more to those stories, of course. One can't say "Obama was raised as a Muslim" anymore than one can say "Obama has never been a Muslim." Both are untrue. Yet somehow the Left absolutely excoriates anyone who even dares to question his religious upbringing or place of birth. These are the same people who floated every conspiracy theory about George Bush one could imagine, from his having an illegitimate child, to him continuing to drink while in office, to him planning to declare martial law in the name of national security, cancel elections and become a dictator. Nothing was out of bounds.

But dare question what kind of a school Obama went to as a child while living in Indonesia? That makes you a freaking lunatic! \

We agree on that completely.


How? Because I'm pretty sure it was The Fed and TARP that did that.


Not true. The root of the problem was years before.


It's barely growing


First, I don't know what "going into credit" means. I do know that taxpayers are losing billions on the GM takeover


True. One good deed, at least.


First, it's not universal care. It's the worst of both systems. And we can't pay for it.


Objectively false. He's played far more golf than Bush. Bush actually gave up golf during the Iraq war because he didn't think it was appropriate. And his time on his ranch was a working holiday.


No, he hasn't. He's destroyed it because he's portrayed America as weak. The world is laughing at us.


Don't confuse respect with being liked.


Obama has repaired nothing. He has continued the wars Bush "started." He has exploded the debt beyond anything Bush could have imagined. He has started a third war. He's gone on an apology tour to appease white liberal guilt. He's destroying the US economy through extreme debt and inflation.


I wouldn't say "well." Even with his debatable bump from bin Laden, he's still in the negative.

Please explain which wars are "illegal." Honestly, I'm so sick of this term just being thrown around out there whenever someone doesn't like something.



It would be interesting. If was never eligible to hold office, one could argue that every action he took was illegitimate. But you're right...these things are not undone easily. The hardest thing to undo? Joe Biden.

That is ridiculous. .There is nothing in the Constitution that says Congress MUST declare war for the armed forces to be engaged, only that it has the power to declare war. There is no clause that states Congress must declare war before the President can exercise his duties as commander-in-chief. And one could easily argue that a congressional resolution explicitly authorizing the use of the US military (in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) is tantamount to a declaration of war itself.

Even Libya is not illegal. Obama consulted with Congress. They didn't pass a formal resolution, but the leadership knew full well what was going to happen. They could have stopped it if they wanted to.


Yes and no. Obamacare, for example, can be undone. It hasn't damaged the nation much yet because it really hasn't taken effect. The debt and deficits are another matter.