Originally Posted by Hands Sandon
The thing is, so many repubs believed it. That's what's made this shit happen and the likes of Fox News have been the platform for these nut job conspiracy theories, indeed they've wanted to stir it up.
Here's SDW2001 again-
"I'm also starting to wonder lately: If this debate is really so insanely stupid, why not just release the birth certificate everyone claims exists? Recent polling suggests a very significant number of Americans believe he's not a natural-born citizen."
...and followed by the now infamous-
"Why not end the debate and make the birthers look like fools once and for all?"
Donald Trump, leading contender for the Republican nominee for POTUS, makes it the main focus of his trivial Trumpomination TV appearances, hoping to hawl in more suckers, so Obama splats him like an annoying fly and now, guess what, it's all that bad Kenyan's fault.
Originally Posted by tonton
Come on, Fellows. To demand Obama's birth certificate in the first place was ridiculous, and 100% politically motivated, and helped along by racist undertones. To have seen the birth certificate and claim it must be a fake is even more fucking ridiculous. SDW should absofuckinglutely be roasted for questioning this. And the comment about evolution fit with the graph.
Originally Posted by BR
The real, legally accepted short form birth certificate was presented way back in 2008. Why the issue even lasted this long is utterly insane. Fellows, SDW is full of shit in this thread. Don't wallow in it, too.
Let's be clear: I believe he was born in the US. But there has been an awful lot of discrepancy and debate about this document. Some of those items are still unexplained, such as the numbers written down the side.
Additionally, it's my understanding that until recently, Wikipedia stated that Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital was not named that until 1978. However, checking that page today,
I notice that Wiki now says that name was acquired in 1931 (formerly Kapiʻolani Maternity Home). I also have see that other birth certs from the time have the name "Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital." The hospital website doesn't appear to have that information on it. All in all, It would appear this question has been answered.
The other question I had pertained to what constitutes a "birth certificate" in Hawaii. I'm not sure this is completely explained. From my understanding, people can use the "short form" to get drivers' licenses, passports, etc. They can, but must
they?From my understanding, again, this "short form" is an abstract
of the actual birth information, and and "long form" is really the actual state record kept by the state itself (not a "certificate" per se
This is different from my birth cert. I have a birth certificate that stays in my possession. It is from the state of NY. If I wanted a copy, I would either scan mine, or order another copy from the state. That copy would not
be an abstract...it would be a hard copy on heavy paper with a raised seal. As far as I know, that is the only "birth cert" available in NY. In fact, I know this because I actually had to order an official copy when I got my vehicle learner's permit in PA. It seems I had never gotten an "official" cert from NY, only one from the hospital (I know...let the irony bombs fly on that one). It would seem that NY doesn't send
an abstract or a long form copy of the record, they send an actual "certificate."
So with all that, does Obama have an actual "birth certificate" as I've described? If not, why? Is the the "short form" considered the only true Hawaii "birth certificate?" If so, then why is there another "long form?" Isn't the long form just a copy of the book where the state keeps its records? Is it lost?
Where I take issue with BR and others is where they positively blast me for even ASKING these questions. This has been the response of the mainstream media and the Obama admin itself as well. All such such questions are dismissed as looney, racist, ignorant, etc. Really? Is it really hard to understand why a sizable minority of people would question
the President's place of birth given his rather unique backstory? It's hard to understand why people believe Obama is a Muslim, given that he was registered at school as a Muslim in Indonesia and has talked about attending a Muslim school? There is more to those stories, of course. One can't say "Obama was raised as a Muslim" anymore than one can say "Obama has never been a Muslim." Both are untrue. Yet somehow the Left absolutely excoriates anyone who even dares to question his religious upbringing or place of birth. These are the same people who floated every conspiracy theory about George Bush one could imagine, from his having an illegitimate child, to him continuing to drink while in office, to him planning to declare martial law in the name of national security, cancel elections and become a dictator. Nothing was out of bounds.
But dare question what kind of a school Obama went to as a child while living in Indonesia? That makes you a freaking lunatic!