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Initial reports suggest that the long-delayed white iPhone 4 is 0.2mm thicker than its black counterpart and may not fit all cases. Also, Samsung revealed Thursday in its quarterly earnings report that its profit dropped to the company's lowest figure in almost two years. Finally, Logitech reported disappointing Google TV sales of just $5 million last quarter.

White iPhone 4

After early adopters of Apple's recently released white iPhone 4 reported noticing an apparent difference in thickness between the black iPhone 4 and the white version, TiPb conducted measurements of the two devices. The report found that the white iPhone 4 is roughly 0.2mm thicker than the black model.

Apple lists the depth of both the white iPhone 4 and the black iPhone 4 as 9.3mm, or 0.37 inch. Tests of various cases found that most cases were unaffected by the difference, though a few "were just a tad tight."

The exact cause of the increase in thickness on the white iPhone 4 remains unclear, though some have speculated that a new paint mix and UV protection contribute to the difference. AppleInsider reported earlier this year that Apple had partnered with a Japanese company to develop a new paint material for the white iPhone 4.

iPhone 4 width comparison via TiPb

In an interview earlier this week, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller explained that a number of reasons, including the need for more protection from ultraviolet rays from the sun, contributed to the 10-month delay.

Analyst Brian White of Ticonderoga Securities sees Apple selling between 1 to 1.5 million units of the white iPhone 4 each in the June and September quarters.

Samsung

Samsung saw a 30 percent drop in profit last quarter after phone sales for the Korean company fell 14 percent year over year to 70 million devices, Electronista reports.

The electronics giant posted 2.95 trillion won ($2.75 billion) in operating profit, compared to a consensus forecast of 3.1 trillion won. Samsung also reported a disappointing quarter in January.

Samsung was hit hardest in its display business, losing $214.85 million and shipping eight percent fewer LCDs. On the upside, shipments of tablet displays, many of which are likely bound for Apple's iPad, grew by roughly 30 percent.

With 2010 purchases of $5.68 billion in components, Apple was Samsung's second biggest customer, behind Sony. In February, a Korean newspaper claimed that Apple claim the top spot by buying $7.8 billion in parts from Samsung in 2011.

Apple and Samsung have recently begun a extensive legal battle. Earlier this month, Apple filed a lawsuit against Samsung, accusing the company of copying the look and feel of the iPhone and iPad. Samsung has responded with countersuits (1, 2) in four different countries: Korea, Japan, Germany and the U.S.



Google TV

Logitech missed its estimate of $18 million in Google TV product and peripheral sales in the fiscal fourth quarter by over 70 percent with just $5 million in sales, GigaOM reports. Last quarter, the company reported $22 million in sales of Google TV-related products. To make matters worse, inventory for the devices rose 28 percent last quarter.

CEO Gerald P. Quindlen told investors Thursday that he remains "enthusiastic about Google TV," while announcing plans to scale back marketing for the Revue Google TV set-top box.



Logitech was one of Google's launch partners for the Google TV platform. However, when the platform was released last November, reviewers criticized it for being complicated and confusing. Late last year, technology journalist Walt Mossberg named Google TV his second worst reviewed product of 2010.

Last December, on the heels of a report that Google TV hardware makers' plans had been held up by Google, sources from one of Logitech's suppliers claimed that the company had suspended shipments of the Revue while waiting for a Google TV update. However, Logitech issued a statement denying that Google had asked it to halt production of the device.

"Logitech is currently meeting the inventory needs of its retail customers, continuing to ship products on schedule to meet their holiday and post-holiday demand," a spokesperson said at the time.

For its part, Apple has seen growing success with its second-generation Apple TV. In December, the company announced that it had sold 1 million units of the device, which went on sale in September. According to one analyst report, total shipments of the device reached 2 million last month.
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White iPhone gives me a fat.
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That's just the beginning of the pain Apple's about to rain on Samsung.

Google TV? Not even worth mentioning, but definitely worth a
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Analyst Brian White of Ticonderoga Securities sees Apple selling between 1 to 1.5 million units of the white iPhone 4 in both the June and September quarters.

Each quarter, not total for both quarter, right?

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With 2010 purchases of $5.68 billion in components, Apple was Samsung's second biggest customer.

Who was the biggest?

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Logitech missed its estimate of $18 million in Google TV product and peripheral sales in the fiscal fourth quarter by over 70 percent with just $5 million in sales, GigaOM reports. Last quarter, the company reported $22 million in sales of Google TV-related products. To make matters worse, inventory for the devices rose 28 percent last quarter.

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For its part, Apple has seen growing success with its second-generation Apple TV. In December, the company announced that it had sold 1 million units of the device, which went on sale in September. According to one analyst report, total shipments of the device reached 2 million last month.

1 million AppleTVs equals $99 million for the holiday quarter. 780,000 AppleTVs equals $77 million for last quarter. Its 15x the Google TV s revenue but its still a slim advantage to the company that can truly connect the HEC in a way that makes sense.
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Solipsism, I made a couple edits to the article, but I'll reply here too.

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Each quarter, not total for both quarter, right?

Yeah, that's each quarter, up through the launch of the iPhone 5 (which he expects after the September quarter).

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Who was the biggest?

Sony
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Google TV

Logitech missed its estimate of $18 million in Google TV product and peripheral sales in the fiscal fourth quarter by over 70 percent with just $5 million in sales, GigaOM reports. Last quarter, the company reported $22 million in sales of Google TV-related products. To make matters worse, inventory for the devices rose 28 percent last quarter.

For its part, Apple has seen growing success with its second-generation Apple TV. In December, the company announced that it had sold 1 million units of the device, which went on sale in September.

So that implies that at $300 per unit, they sold ~16,000 units. If they only count the wholesale price then it might be 25,000 units at about $200 per unit. Either way - pitiful vs. 1M ATV2s.
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Is the white iPad 2 thicker than the black iPad 2?
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my wife ran to the apple store last evening and got a 32gb white iphone.
They are very cool looking, and with the orange bumper she got it
kinda makes me think of an orange push-up treat or something.
The bumper fit fine and we didn't notice any increased thickness
now i have her 32gb black iphone4 on craigslist to ease the cost of changing....
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The bumper fit fine and we didn't notice any increased thickness

I think it would fit more tightly? On my wife black iPhone it's a bit loose, not as tight as I would like.
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I think it would fit more tightly? On my wife black iPhone it's a bit loose, not as tight as I would like.

maybe, but .2mm is very small
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How much heavier is the thicker white iPhone? (this probably varies across Verizon/3G models...)
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Apple sold 2 million Apple TVs at $99 a piece. That's $200 million to the top line.

So who wins?
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Originally Posted by IronTed View Post

Apple sold 2 million Apple TVs at $99 a piece. That's $200 million to the top line.

So who wins?

Google will copy Apple and Android will be able to AirPlay to GoogleTV soon. You heard it here first.
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If the Case Won't Fit... You Failed With It!

j/k
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If the Case Won't Fit... You Failed With It!

j/k

Oh boy, how many did you buy this time? 27? 81? Is that each, or in total?
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"White iPhone 4 is 0.2mm thicker"

Why yes, this stuff DOES all sound pretty silly sometimes.
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samsung made their android fans mad. earlier in the year or last year they shipped a phone with 2.1 and promised a 2.2 upgrade. months went by with no upgrade. turned out they made some big customizations to the software that made upgrading to 2.2 very hard. needless to say most people buying android want HTC or Motorola and prefer Verizon
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If the Case Won't Fit... You Failed With It!

j/k

Using it for a month I didn't notice it no more but the first few days.. boy.. it was annoying.
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The design/functionality is also changed, just look at the top of the phone, frontside. There's an extra hole above the mic.
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Nottom Line - If the Case Won't Fit... You Failed With It!

j/k

Nottom Line... that sounds like a train route in England.
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Logitech missed its estimate of $18 million in Google TV product and peripheral sales in the fiscal fourth quarter by over 70 percent with just $5 million in sales, GigaOM reports. Last quarter, the company reported $22 million in sales of Google TV-related products. To make matters worse, inventory for the devices rose 28 percent last quarter.

Hah so all the Engadget-trolling Google fanboys bought their Google TVs last quarter... At least when Apple fanboys buy something they end up with an awesome product, and not a crap one they have to pretend to like.
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Google will copy Apple and Android will be able to AirPlay to GoogleTV soon. You heard it here first.

Actually you can do this with Logitech Revue today from an Android phone (there a share button in Androidn and Logitech's Revue app on your phone is something you can share with and the content appears on your TV (even when someone else is happily enjoying CSI).
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Is the white iPad 2 thicker than the black iPad 2?

Good question. I dont think so we have to assume there is something fundamentally different between the processes. The UV coating, which may not be needed on the iPad 2 with the way the components are laid out?


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"White iPhone 4 is 0.2mm thicker"

Why yes, this stuff DOES all sound pretty silly sometimes.

Isnt black slimming? Maybe its all an illusion.


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The design/functionality is also changed, just look at the top of the phone, frontside. There's an extra hole above the mic.

Its the proximity sensor to turn off the display and touch panel when you place it up to your ear on a call. Its in the same location on the black iPhone, its just that you cant see the space behind the glass as easily on that model.
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Actually you can do this with Logitech Revue today from an Android phone (there a share button in Androidn and Logitech's Revue app on your phone is something you can share with and the content appears on your TV (even when someone else is happily enjoying CSI).

Can the phone stream YouTube to Revue?
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Is the white iPad 2 thicker than the black iPad 2?

Probably a light leakage issue.
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Google will copy Apple and Android will be able to AirPlay to GoogleTV soon. You heard it here first.

Maybe this is why they are delaying making AirPlay a full open standard, so as to hold Google at bay for a while. It's not like they have a competing product with Google TV.
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"Logitech is currently meeting the inventory needs of its retail customers,

Pretty easy to meet 'zero'.
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How much heavier is the thicker white iPhone? (this probably varies across Verizon/3G models...)

From the photo, the extra thickness appears to be in the glass. That would definitely affect the weight.

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Maybe this is why they are delaying making AirPlay a full open standard, so as to hold Google at bay for a while. It's not like they have a competing product with Google TV.

The revue supports DLNA.
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The revue supports DLNA.

DLNA is clunky.
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The revue supports DLNA.

As Prof. Peabody says, not a a competing product.
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0.2mm, huh? A typical sheet of 20 lb. "copy paper" is 0.004" or 0.1016mm. So, the white iPhone 4 is TWO SHEETS OF PAPER thicker than the black iPhone 4. Better alert the church elders!
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It seems like Apple's competition all have great hopes for dollars, where Apple has great passion for making rock solid products. I think the outcome of both approaches is apparent.

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Can the phone stream YouTube to Revue?

Kind of silly to stream YouTube to your phone and then to the Revue when you could just watch it direct on the Revue.
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That's just the beginning of the pain Apple's about to rain on Samsung.

Google TV? Not even worth mentioning, but definitely worth a

Do you think Samsung's ONLY product is their phone? Hello!!! They sell HDTV sets, home appliances like dishwashers, dryers, refrigerators, ranges and you think that Apple contributed to their drop in profit? Their mobile phone market is a tiny fraction of their business!
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0.2mm, huh? A typical sheet of 20 lb. "copy paper" is 0.004" or 0.1016mm. So, the white iPhone 4 is TWO SHEETS OF PAPER thicker than the black iPhone 4. Better alert the church elders!

Done! The elders know.

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Kind of silly to stream YouTube to your phone and then to the Revue when you could just watch it direct on the Revue.


I do just that for Youtube on my iPad. I send it to my ATV through ATV. The reason is, it's easier to type on the iPad. Using the Remote to enter letters is a PITA.
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Kind of silly to stream YouTube to your phone and then to the Revue when you could just watch it direct on the Revue.

Not at all. Browsing anything on big screen TV can be clumsy. It's just an example anyway. Kind of curious this "share" button would function like AirPlay. I take your answer as a "no" then.
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That difference looks like light reflected on white surface and bad focus. I haven't seen one clear shot photo to prove it even exist. \
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samsung made their android fans mad. earlier in the year or last year they shipped a phone with 2.1 and promised a 2.2 upgrade. months went by with no upgrade. turned out they made some big customizations to the software that made upgrading to 2.2 very hard. needless to say most people buying android want HTC or Motorola and prefer Verizon

It's not Samsung who made the customizations for the carriers. It's the carriers who made the customization from the Galaxy S world phone.

Now that the Galaxy S made a name for itself in the market place, the customization would be at a lower level than before.

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That's just the beginning of the pain Apple's about to rain on Samsung.

Google TV? Not even worth mentioning, but definitely worth a

I'm afraid Samsung isnt done with Apple just yet. They are probably looking through out their vast patent base to dig up even more patent infringments by Apple.

Samsung is the worlds 2nd largest holder of patents after IBM. Apple isnt even on the top 10 list.

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