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The latest estimates for total mobile phone shipments worldwide place Apple in fourth place with 5 percent of the market, thanks to a record quarter and huge year over year growth for the iPhone.

IDC's newly released Worldwide Mobile Phone Tracker estimates that Apple's 18.7 million iPhones shipped made it firmly the fourth largest mobile phone vendor in the world in the first quarter of calendar 2011. Apple beat out ZTE, which came in fifth with a 4.1 percent market share on a shipment of 15.1 million devices.

Apple's 18.65 million iPhones sold last quarter were announced by the company earlier this month in its quarterly earnings report. It represented 114.9 percent year over year growth for the iPhone platform, easily outpacing the rest of the mobile phone market, which includes both smartphones and feature phones.

The total mobile phone market grew 19.8 percent year over year. And even market leader Nokia, which has seen its share of struggles as Apple's iPhone continues to grow, posted growth in shipments of 0.6 percent from 2010.

But Nokia's market share slid as the Finnish handset maker failed to keep pace with the rest of the market, slipping from 34.7 percent in 2010 to 29.2 percent in 2011. Second-place Samsung also saw its share slip from 20.7 percent a year ago to 18.8 percent in the first quarter of 2011, as its 8.9 percent growth in shipments also fell short of competitors.

In third was LG electronics, which saw its year over year shipments drop 9.6 percent to 24.5 million. LG held a 6.6 percent total share of the mobile phone market, good enough to keep it ahead of Apple's 5 percent for the time being.

"Several notable vendors, including feature phone makers, outpaced the overall market, which contributed to share losses of some top suppliers," said Kevin Restivo, senior research analyst with IDC's Worldwide Mobile Phone Tracker. "The growth of companies outside the top 5 vendors -- vendors in the 'Others' category, such as Micromax, TCL-Alcatel, Huawei, and Research In Motion -- shows that the overall market is still very much ripe for share gains."



IDC said that the iPhone sold particularly well in developed economic regions of the world, such as North America and Western Europe. The company's smartphone is now available on 186 carriers in 90 countries.

"At the same time, feature phones have represented the majority of mobile phone shipments, but still are under tremendous pressure from smartphones," said Ramon Llamas, senior research analyst with IDC's Mobile Phone Technology and Trends team. "Even popular quick-messaging devices (phones with a QWERTY keyboard), once a bright spot within the feature phone market, appear to be losing steam as smartphones gain popularity. Still, IDC does not expect feature phones to disappear quickly as there is still strong demand across the globe."
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Who the heck are ZTE?
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Who the heck are ZTE?

I had to look it up - it's a large Chinese telecommunications manufacturer.
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Who the heck are ZTE?

A Chinese telecommunications equipment company. They don't have a lot of presence outside of PRC, however since there 1.3 billion people in China, they still serve a large domestic market.
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Who the heck are ZTE?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ZTE
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ZTE are Apple's biggest threat, as it happens. They produce a perfectly decent Android phone for about £100 over here in Blighty.

Thats off contract, and the iPhone costs about £600 off contract.
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ZTE are Apple's biggest threat, as it happens. They produce a perfectly decent Android phone for about £100 over here in Blighty.

Thats off contract, and the iPhone costs about £600 off contract.

You have it totally wrong. They are not Apple's biggest threat. They are the biggest threat to other Android phone-makers such as HTC, Samsung, Motorola, and LG.

Those who want an iPhone want an iPhone. Period.
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You have it totally wrong. They are not Apple's biggest threat. They are the biggest threat to other Android phone-makers such as HTC, Samsung, Motorola, and LG.

Those who want an iPhone want an iPhone. Period.

Those who want a touch screen smartphone may go for the cheapest option. Period.
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Those who want a touch screen smartphone may go for the cheapest option. Period.

Those whose criteria for a smartphone stops at has a touchscreen are not iPhone customers. Period.
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Those whose criteria for a smartphone stops at has a touchscreen are not iPhone customers. Period.

For fuck sake, Apple's market is not just people who only buy Apple. The survey for iPad buyers show most of them didnt have iPhones. Obviously iPod owners are not, in the main, Mac owners. They are going for the iPad and iPod because of their relative cheapness.

The market for people who only buy something with an Apple logo is about 2-5% of any market - for the rest of humanity it depends on other criteria, price being a major one.
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You have it totally wrong. They are not Apple's biggest threat. They are the biggest threat to other Android phone-makers such as HTC, Samsung, Motorola, and LG.

Those who want an iPhone want an iPhone. Period.

The cheap Android phones make a lot of compromises to keep the price down:
1. Resistive touch screen - Costs significantly less, but they are hard to use due to poor sensitivity
2. Lower quality LCD with narrow viewing angles, lower contrast, etc
3. Minimum Flash Memory - 0.5 GB to 4 GB. Have slot of USB Flash.
4. NiMH battery good for 1-2 hours. Replaceable, but the plastic lid needs to be duck taped after a while.
5. Hard to update the custom Android software.

Sure, there are markets for this stuff, but no profits. I do not see any lines in front of any place selling ZTE phones.
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For fuck sake, Apple's market is not just people who only buy Apple. The survey for iPad buyers show most of them didnt have iPhones. Obviously iPod owners are not, in the main, Mac owners. They are going for the iPad and iPod because of their relative cheapness.

The market for people who only buy something with an Apple logo is about 2-5% of any market - for the rest of humanity it depends on other criteria, price being a major one.

The one who want the cheapest option would never buy Apple product. I know that well because I'm used to be one of them. Never buy any Apple product until last year.
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The funny thing is all the Apple bashers who keep insisting month after month and year after year that xxxxx will kill Apple. Apple is doomed, they say. It doesn't matter that they're wrong 50 times in a row. Some day, Apple will start to approach saturation and have a quarter that isn't a blowout record quarter. It could happen next quarter or it could be 5 years from now.

Regardless of when it happens, all the Android shills, Apple-haters, and sundry trolls will rise up en masse and scream "we told you so".
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For fuck sake, Apple's market is not just people who only buy Apple. The survey for iPad buyers show most of them didnt have iPhones. Obviously iPod owners are not, in the main, Mac owners. They are going for the iPad and iPod because of their relative cheapness.

The market for people who only buy something with an Apple logo is about 2-5% of any market - for the rest of humanity it depends on other criteria, price being a major one.

I have an intel iMac, two G5 iMacs, a MBP, and an iPad2, but no iPhone. This old retired guy just has no use for one.
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Those who want a touch screen smartphone may go for the cheapest option. Period.

The word 'may' in there makes the summation "Period" seem a trifle silly don't you think. Hardly a declarative statement! They may go to Brighton Pier and have an ice cream instead.
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For fuck sake, Apple's market is not just people who only buy Apple. The survey for iPad buyers show most of them didnt have iPhones. Obviously iPod owners are not, in the main, Mac owners. They are going for the iPad and iPod because of their relative cheapness.

The market for people who only buy something with an Apple logo is about 2-5% of any market - for the rest of humanity it depends on other criteria, price being a major one.

Apple's market are those willing and able to buy Apple's products. As you've clearly stated Apple doesnt make a sub-$100 smartphone, which is Apple's choice not some business mishap.

Apple makes over 50% of the world's handset profit while only having 5% of the world's handset sales by unit. This is impressive on several levels, including the fact 1 in 20 phones sold last quarter throughout the world are iPhones that debuted more than 6 months earlier.

Again, Aplple isn't selling me to products that qualify some bare minimum functionality so it check off a spec list. So no, just having a touchscreen isn't going hurt Apple or they never would have gotten the iPhone off the ground.
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The one who want the cheapest option would never buy Apple product. I know that well because I'm used to be one of them. Never buy any Apple product until last year.

hmm, except for the ipad which kind of his both the cheapest and the best option ATM if you exclude the crappy android 2.2 tablets.
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hmm, except for the ipad which kind of his both the cheapest and the best option ATM if you exclude the crappy android 2.2 tablets.

There have been plenty of really bad no name brands well under the iPad's prices but this past month we started seeing quality tablet HW components thy undercut the iPad for the same capacity. Most notably is Asus who have a good rep for good build quality, displays and battery life, which are using IPS panels across the board.

The issue for them and others is now Honeycomb but I've heard that it will be an iOS killer sooooon.
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hmm, except for the ipad which kind of his both the cheapest and the best option ATM if you exclude the crappy android 2.2 tablets.

A rare case and it won't live for long. Iconia is cheaper now and others will keep coming.
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For fuck sake, Apple's market is not just people who only buy Apple. The survey for iPad buyers show most of them didnt have iPhones. Obviously iPod owners are not, in the main, Mac owners. They are going for the iPad and iPod because of their relative cheapness.

The market for people who only buy something with an Apple logo is about 2-5% of any market - for the rest of humanity it depends on other criteria, price being a major one.

People having standard for smartphone higher than "having a touchscreen" don't mean they follow that with a "also have an apple logo". Usability, performance, style, quality, etc., are all very important criteria for people not seeking the lowest priced product. Apple's product just fit those requirements exceedingly well.
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The one who want the cheapest option would never buy Apple product. I know that well because I used to be one of them. Never buy any Apple product until last year.

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Those who want a touch screen smartphone may go for the cheapest option. Period.

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Apple's market are those willing and able to buy Apple's products. As you've clearly stated Apple doesnt make a sub-$100 smartphone, which is Apple's choice not some business mishap.

Not like you to make a factual error, S! iPhone 3GS still in the Apple Store @ 49 bucks. Not quite as bargain basement as "free" or "Two for free," and not latest tech, but a very nice (quality, Apple) instrument and hardly priced @ a $$ barrier to entry....

...so the ones who do know about Apple's rep and don't have much front money are still getting scooped up. I think this is brilliant and hope the iP4 replaces the 3GS as the entry level when the iP5 comes out. And that they lower the price and keep the iPad 2 around when the iPad 3's released.

keep growing that ecosystem and you'll get more harvests down the road.

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Apple makes over 50% of the world's handset profit while only having 5% of the world's handset sales by unit. This is impressive on several levels, including the fact 1 in 20 phones sold last quarter throughout the world bought an iPhone that debuted more than 6 earlier.

It really is kinda breath-taking for those who understand what goes into business achievements on a world-scale.

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There have been plenty of really bad no name brands well under the iPad's prices but this past month we started seeing quality tablet HW components thy undercut the iPad for the same capacity. Most notably is Asus who have a good rep for good build quality, displays and battery life, which are using IPS panels across the board.

The issue for them and others is now Honeycomb but I've heard that it will be an iOS killer sooooon.

Except as you noted in your own earlier post, it's mostly going to be killing Google's and their IHP's margins as they scramble to commoditize tabs, not the iPad itself. And iOS 5 should blunt some of the newness of Honeycomb - which is no longer being iterated at nearly the frantic pace of early Android days if anyone's noticed. Gee, building stable, extensible, elegant, functional OS's is kinda hard after all when you're playin' against the big kids. Who knew????

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The iPhone has a halo effect on the iPad and the iPad has a halo effect on the iPhone. Both have a halo effect on iMacs, MB's, MBA's and MBP's. All the above have a halo effect on ATV's. Oh, and there is the original Apple halo product, the iPod that basically got the ball rolling!

Damn. Thought I saw angels floating about that last Apple store I passed, but then I saw they were all hardware products with glowing rings above 'em......

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Not like you to make a factual error, S! iPhone 3GS still in the Apple Store @ 49 bucks. Not quite as bargain basement as "free" or "Two for free," and not latest tech, but a very nice (quality, Apple) instrument and hardly priced @ a $$ barrier to entry…

That’s the subsidized price for the 3GS from AT&T. Other carriers sell the iPhone 4 100% subsidized.


asdasd specifically referred to the cost of the device not attached to a contract. The prices of capacitance touchscreen smart phones will drop as technology evolves and most of those will likely run Android, but that isn’t reason enough for Apple to stop making a profit simply to increase market share.

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I think this is brilliant and hope the iP4 replaces the 3GS as the entry level when the iP5 comes out.

I think an iPhone 4 for $49 (on AT&T’s contract) will be a huge win with US customers. I do wonder if that is feasible. Compared to the 3GS with the plastic casing and now 3 year old form factor, and non-Retina Dusplay the iPhone 4 seems so far ahead I can’t help but wonder if the price is doable. I guess they could use the cheaper Retina Display a la the iPod Touch once the iPhone 5 is out but I hope that doesn’t happen.


edit: Gruber wrote about a new baseband that will enable sub-$100 smartpones this year.

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The cheap Android phones make a lot of compromises to keep the price down:
1. Resistive touch screen - Costs significantly less, but they are hard to use due to poor sensitivity
2. Lower quality LCD with narrow viewing angles, lower contrast, etc
3. Minimum Flash Memory - 0.5 GB to 4 GB. Have slot of USB Flash.
4. NiMH battery good for 1-2 hours. Replaceable, but the plastic lid needs to be duck taped after a while.
5. Hard to update the custom Android software.

Sure, there are markets for this stuff, but no profits. I do not see any lines in front of any place selling ZTE phones.

Really? You've seen these? I've yet to see any smartphone with 2 hr battery, and not any for a long time with a resistive screen. The last one I can think of was a Garminfone with a resistive released a couple years back. Everything recently is capacitive.

Hardware is not any issue with hi-end or even mid-range HTC or Samsung phones running Android. It's quite often better than anything Apple is currently offering. The OS may get complaints (mostly from Apple users), or some user may not be able to find just the app they want from the 100,000+ available in the Android Market. But newer Android phones don't suffer from inferior hardware.

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But newer Android phones don't suffer from inferior hardware.

All HW is inferior is you dont have proper drivers, OS and apps to take advantage of it.

This is why we keep hearing such and such will kill the iPhone but in actual tests the IPhone is still more responsive than other devices.

The newest Android is Honeyvcomb and Im sure you dont want me to bring up how that fares against the iPad 2. Even against the iPad 1 tablets that came out in CES 2011 barely bested it in many raw HW tests.

Here is one such test for a new Android phone running 2.3. As you can see there are some in the 2.x hour range and half the list less than 4, or well below a full days use.

The concern isnt that some can be made better its that its not consistent among vendors or their products. With Apple you may not get the best in every category but you can be assured itll be damn good across the board without some single focus in one area just to make a spec sheet look more pretty.
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I don't consider my engine build to be poor if the oil and gas I put in it causes a failure.

BTW, the battery life on the 4G devices at the bottom of your chart are only applicable when using them as 4G streaming video or similar. When using as 3G the battery life is back to lasting for the day. I'm not sure under what circumstances those batteries were tested under on your chart, nor who produced it. Were they watching a video or something, as I would be shocked those were talk times. I don't know anyone that needs to charge their phone twice to three times a day other than on old devices with end-of-life batteries.

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Here's an Apples to HTC, Samsung etc. battery life chart updated the first of this month. Apple times are in the "other phone" category, since there are few to choose from I suppose. A little difference.

http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11288_7...?tag=page;page

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I don't consider my engine build to be poor if the oil and gas I put in it causes a failure.

BTW, the battery life on the 4G devices at the bottom of your chart are only applicable when using them as 4G streaming video or similar. When using as 3G the battery life is back to lasting for the day. I'm not sure under what circumstances those batteries were tested under on your chart, nor who produced it. Were they watching a video or something, as I would be shocked those were talk times. I don't know anyone that needs to charge their phone twice to three times a day other than on old devices with end-of-life batteries.

1) Youre choice of gasoline is not the comparable to the vendors poor coding of drivers and poorly optimized OS from the factory.

2) The 4G enable devices are listed as LTE and WiMAX, they are not simply "devices at the bottom.

3) The chart clear states Web Browsing, not 4G streaming video for devices with 4G. That makes no sense from a testing standpoint. All tests were conducted in the same way for each device.

4) I thought AnandTechs chart layouts and testing methods were well known among tech forums at this point. Here is their link: www.anandtech.com

4) The biggest complaint I get from Android users is the battery life. They want to make it better yet even after disabling all the pointless crap it still suffers greatly.
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1) Youre choice of gasoline is not the comparable to the vendors poor coding of drivers and poorly optimized OS from the factory.

I suppose it wouldn't because than you'd lose any validity for your argument.

I'm not claiming the battery life in all or even most Android phones is better than or equal to an iPhone 4G. At the same time they're not the 1.5-2 hours mentioned by the OP. But that's nit-picking since the OP mentioned many more categories than just batteries.

As originally stated, hardware is not the issue for higher-end HTC nor Samsung Android phones. There are some that complain about the OS, and power management is being improved with each Android release. And I've seen more complaints about Android from Apple users than actual Android users. Just a personal observation.

So the OS may garner complaints. The hardware rarely does whether from user reviews or bloggers. Unless the battery is hardware, in which case I'll give you half a point for those that are not as long-lived as some others.

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iPhone 3GS still in the Apple Store @ 49 bucks. Not quite as bargain basement as "free" or "Two for free," and not latest tech, but a very nice (quality, Apple) instrument and hardly priced @ a $$ barrier to entry....

Agreed... the 3GS is a hell of a phone for $49.

And one more thing to note: Just one year ago today... the 3GS was still Apple's top-of-the-line phone. Now it's a bargain...

However, almost all of the $49 Android phones available today were never premium phones... they were created to be cheap and to be forgotten.
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I suppose it wouldn't because than you'd lose any validity for your argument.

Not in the least. The fuel you choose to put in your vehicle is your choice. Were talking about a poorly designed machine from the factory.

If you really have to use a car analogy image a car the bestest most powerfulest engine you can imagine now connect that to the automatic transmission of a Geo Metro and the add the wooden axles and wheel from horse drawn buggy. If that came from the factory your powerful engine would be considerably less imporant to the overall functionality of the design.

But hey, if you only want to look at one part of a whole product go right ahead.

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There are some that complain about the OS, and power management is being improved with each Android release.

The argument that its being improved is so tired. Soon it will be better. Soon it will be good. Soon Soon! if Im going to spend a couple grand on a smartphone over 2 years I want something that is proven to work and proven to be supported.

I dont want to take a shot in the dark with some company verging on bankruptcy that has no decent experience in coding that is now making their own UI to differentiate them from selves from other Android devices as the race to the bottom.

With the iPhone I know I will get a product that is well tested and that any issues I have will be resolved without hassle with a quick Apple Store visit. That doesnt have to fit everyones needs but it surely fits my needs.

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And I've seen more complaints about Android from Apple users than actual Android users. Just a personal observation.

Im seen more media coverage about consolidated.db than I have about the PSN outage. Just a personal observation.

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So the OS may garner complaints. The hardware rarely does whether from user reviews or bloggers. Unless the battery is hardware, in which case I'll give you half a point for those that are not as long-lived as some others.

Youre getting it. If the OS/SDK is shit, if the drivers are shit, then the HW is shit. It doesnt matter what you read on a spec sheet or what you heard whispered across the internet for an impending update, if you cant utilize the HW in the device to its fullest potential then its a waste of the HW unless your goal is to impress people with a list of HW specs.

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Apple may have the better phone for some segment of the market. There are other segments it won't match up with for various and assorted reason's. For those people iOS is a problem, and thus the hardware is poor according to your reasoning?

What percentage of buyers think that Apple has poor hardware? Probably a lower percentage than thinks the OS isn't a good match for their needs. But you can't consider hardware separately from software?

Before you insist that Hardware and software must be considered as a whole you might re-read your own post, #19.

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Agreed... the 3GS is a hell of a phone for $49.

And one more thing to note: Just one year ago today... the 3GS was still Apple's top-of-the-line phone. Now it's a bargain...

However, almost all of the $49 Android phones available today were never premium phones... they were created to be cheap and to be forgotten.

It's worked with the whiteBook for years now (tho' I'm surprised they didn't make it $899 since it has zero R&D) and certainly with the 3GS.

So why not capitalize on last year's models more across the board, i.e., one phone model, one iPad and one computer, to get incremental base numbers of people into the "ecosystem" (that word's getting played, but best I got) without ever having to build "economy" models.

As long as they can keep their margins up at the pricepoints, one $49 (or even $79) subsidized phones (the payoff's in the carrier contract, so keep the phone cheap), plus one wi-fi and one 3G iPad model @ say $399 and $499; plus one $899 MacBook or Air - with all being last year's state of the art - will get more of those with modest resources who otherwise wouldn't buy Apple to Apple - certainly more than it will cannibalize from sales of the newest models from those who can afford the latest and greatest.

And they can do it without ever having to sell crap. I remember when Sony (and Panasonic and others) cheapened their brands and started selling really dreckyWalkmans and everything else - they ate up all the reputation and good will of the brand. And Sony's never re-acquired that quality top-to-bottom image. It's also a more feasible strategy today - as fungible digital components go down in price much faster than Walkman and receiver parts did 30 - 40 years ago when this happened.

Other advantages: 1. It sets a resale floor on the older model for another year that also stimulates uptake in the used market via emerging channels like Gazelle, which in turn helps those folk speed up their purchases of new models when they're ready. 2. It allows existing production lines to be milked for nearly another year without the expense of a re-tooling. 3. Closer to the intro of a new model, these lines could be the first shut down and re-tooled for the upcoming model while more of the lines for the current model can continue to go full tilt weeks longer - helping avoid periods of disruptive changeover and increasing initial day of release supply. And finally, a portion of those lines would become in turn the line that would keep cranking that model for another year after the changeover.

Yeah, yeah, sexy talk about production line management, experience costs, inventory drawdown, etc. But hey, an area where Apple's excelled all through its rebirth. Lots of the bottom line comes in handling such prosaic matters well.

One drawback could be when form factors don't change from year to year. If the iPhone 5 looks too much like the 4, e.g., then it might draw some sales from the newer (with the better internals). But fairly minor in the long-term of things I would think.

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...notably is Asus who have a good rep for good build quality...

Bwahaahhaahhaaa!

Sorry but you must have forgotten the /s tag.

Asus, quality???

Maybe on paper but wait until the screen starts failing, the keys fall off the keyboard and a litany of failures that come from cutting costs by using cheaper components.

Case in point, in 2009 when I bought my MacBook 13" (last of the aluminum), my son bought a "you beaut" Asus 17" laptop with all the bells and whistles including Vista, apart from a $10 upgrade to Snow Leopard my MacBook hasn't missed a beat (although the battery doesn't last as long anymore), the Asus has basically fallen apart, my son has to use a USB keyboard and mouse as half the keys have fallen off, the trackpad is shite which hardly works, the battery life has been atrocious right from the start and it has had to be reformatted several times and updated to Windows 7 for $130.

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Forbes said those figures were padded.

Gaaah..... spam link asshole.
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Gaaah..... spam link asshole.

Dont quote the link!
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Those whose criteria for a smartphone stops at has a touchscreen are not iPhone customers. Period.

Those that wan't an iPhone but only have £100-200 will have to go for these rather than a £600 iPhone.

And as these drag down the other Android/WP7 phones, those that wan't a smartphone and can't understand why the iPhone costs twice as much as all the other phones that look similar, feel similar and have an OS that's just as good if not better, may end up buying another phone.

That is why these companies are a big threat to Apple. If Apple had to cut the price of the iPhone it would literally take over 10% of Apples total revenue and an even bigger percentage of profit.
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Bwahaahhaahhaaa!

Sorry but you must have forgotten the /s tag.

Asus, quality???.

According to this article at TUAW. . . Yup.

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/11/29/apple...action-survey/

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...and not any for a long time with a resistive screen. The last one I can think of was.../snip

I can sell you one of these, brand new, in the box, in a retail store tomorrow.

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_gt540_optimus-3081.php

here are some more:-

http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_u7520-3861.php

http://www.gsmarena.com/zte_v9-3903.php

Froyo + resistive FTW!

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