Originally Posted by SDW2001
Whether or not he is a citizen is irrelevant. The point is he should not enjoy the benefits a trial might afford him. It's simply not an appropriate way of dealing with people like this.
There you go again. A trial. I suppose I should not be surprised. As I said, you're a truther who literally believes NOTHING the government says. Don't get me wrong...I think there is always a good possibility we are not being told the truth. I think almost anything is possible in that regard. But somehow you take it to a whole other level.
One can condense 2 main points from SDW's post (amongst others)
(1) He does not believe in due process of law, of which a fair trial is a cornerstone. No matter who one is, or where one is from, the purpose of a trial is to establish
guilt or innocence. Then you mete out the punishment, in response to
the outcome of that trial.
What has been done with OBL is to *pronounce* him guilty, not under the microscope of a public trial, but using an endless, hysterical, media campaign. It sort of works "in a way", because endless media repetition will establish a very powerful psychological impression of guilt, regardless of the reality, or otherwise, of guilt.
So, when someone (such as OBL) has been vilified so intensely, for so long, and the population has been so thoroughly convinced of his guilt, just on the quantity of material put forth on the media and official sources, regardless of quality, anyone who refers to "first principles" re. the actuality of guilt or innocence, is shouted down.
And when the alleged crime is as heinous as what the accused is assumed guilty of, then the volume of the "kill him, (crucify him?), regardless"... becomes deafening .... and the actuality
of guilt or innocence becomes irrelevant
, an afterthought, a distraction, in other words, something that shouldn't be questioned.
Yes. Something that shouldn't be questioned. That is correct: you must not ask questions, or cast doubt. Doubt is heresy, and heresy in itself is a terrible sin. Because, we all know that asking questions is also unpatriotic, because, as SDW knows only to well, our elected leaders always tell the truth about everything, and so does the corporate media.
Yes, they do. Don't they, SDW.
(2) He is bothered that America, the "sole superpower" is not leading enough in the world.
First off, the US is not the world's sole superpower. China is right up there, both economically and militarily. China bankrolled the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and the US is in vast debt to China. What will happen when (a) China calls in that debt, and (b) the dollar ceases to become the world's reserve currency, a uniquely privileged position that has protected the US from the raging inflation and resulting currency devaluation that would have beset any other nation in such equivalent, astronomical debt? Said superpower becomes something different, ie not very super at all. Yes, SDW, there are penalties for trying to build empires... and I am sure you realize who, in the end, will be paying for it.
Although we are not the world's sole superpower, we do like to project that power militarily. How many wars have we started, or gotten involved in, which had had nothing to do with protecting our Constitution, and our borders from invasion, since WWII? The list is endless. How many dictators have we emboldened, supported, funded or installed? the list is endless. How many elected democracies have we toppled in favor of some "useful thug"? Quite a lot. How many nations' financial systems have collapsed as a result of the forceful imposition of the US led neoliberal "Friedmanite" monetary scam, causing abject poverty and misery for billions, while a handful of banking élites become fabulously wealthy as a result of their criminal conduct? Quite "a lot". How many terrorist scum have we protected, and terrorist groups have we supported, who do *our* dirty work in the world? That list is truly endless.
This is the stuff that we do in the world that the likes of SDW support, and the media crow about.
The US, however, does do vast amount of humanitarian, charitable work in the world. We still lead the world in inventiveness. We do all manner of great things which are largely unrecognized or talked about in the media... perhaps this is because it doesn't involve blowing things up, killing people, amassing personal fortunes or worshipping of vapid celebrities. And we all know what sells media copy... war, death, destruction (natural and manmade), terror and fame.