Originally Posted by BR
Trumpet, do you so quickly forget the New York Mosque debacle in which the right wing conflated terrorists with Muslims? Are you so blind to the perception that many ignorant, loud Americans hold?
I didn't forget it at all. I said quite clearly and still uniformly note that if you support the right of government to declare what people can and cannot do with their property via zoning and other types of land use nad control laws, then you've got to accept the tyranny of that majority in all matters, not just matters where you want to show your religions tolerance with a feel good intention pin.
So as I said then, and as I say now, get back to me when these same ignorant and loud Americans allow a Walmart to be built.
Clearly, by your reasoning, they aren't allowing Walmart to be built because they think Walmart conspired to make 9/11 happen.
Originally Posted by jimmac
Jesus how stupid. Well if that's the case then we could bring up several things that just happened to improve Bush's numbers.
You present proof of your claim trumpy.
Oh Jimmac, you have me wiping away tears. Didn't you see the smilies? Suggesting that Obama did this to "wag the dog" and improve his poll numbers was a joke. I said it was ludicrous to suggest it. Then you go and prove the point by reciting the same tired and completely unproven claims about Bush that you went on and on about for eight years. By not getting the joke, you become the joke. A bit sad really....
Originally Posted by tonton
Oh. My. God. Where the hell did I say that? You're so fucking partisan you can't even imagine for an instant that I'm not partisan. I've NEVER supported Obama on this. NEVER.
When you provide a justification for an action, then you support the action. You declared that the exact same actions, when undertaken with someone with a Democratic label for party didn't yield the same results. Folks of your nature went a lot further than just "not supporting" Bush. He was declared to be a warmonger, a war criminal, a big oil man who was allowing his cronies to bleed the U.S. dry via $5 gas.
Now see, I never claimed Bush was a dirty oil man bleeding us dry nor a war criminal nor warmonger. Thus I need not assign those labels to Obama.I'd love to see posts like say, THIS ONE.
Can we look forward to you declaring that Obama has violated the Geneva convention and ought to be put on trial for treason in the U.S. and then turned over to international courts as a war criminal?I look forward to future posts like THIS ONE.
I'll be happy to see that the debt the president lied about and that future generations must pay down is an impeachable offense as is lying to the American Public, keeping acts like the Patriot Act or FISA in effect, etc.
You were willing to throw that half claim out that Obama wasn't even creating future terrorists while undertaking three wars in three different Islamic countries. "It's okay, because his drones and troops didn't commit any atrocities. The drones didn't kill any civilians."
Ummm...... yes they did. Everything is the same. I called war a dirty business then and now. The way you stop getting your hands dirty is to stop playing the game. Folks of your ilk are still claiming they can just play the game better and smarter than "retarded monkeys" like Bush.
Originally Posted by MJ1970
So...now that this is all over...Can we bring the men and women home from Afghanistan, repeal the USA PATRIOT act, stand down the TSA from its molestation?
You've got an amen from me on that!
Originally Posted by tonton
Trust me. It is. Look it up.
I did. You're lying.
Originally Posted by sammi jo According to US officials
over the years, OBL was the leader of "al Qaeda", responsible for bombings in Africa, and elsewhere. Possibly the wanted man in all history. By all rights and expectations, if we were to believe the hype, he would have been a mine of valuable intelligence about not just his own alleged group "al Qaeda", but other related groups in the Islamic militant fraternity worldwide.
So instead of milking the jackpot, the military disposed of his body... "in accordance with the customs and traditions of Islam.... as we all know so well, American soldiers always take the sensitivities of Muslims into account.
Careful interrogation over a lengthy period could have revealed valuable information about possible future terror attacks, and the identity of fellow terrorists. The rigorous forensic examination of the "mansion" in Abbottabad where he was killed could have also revealed a wealth of information on "al Qaeda". But instead, the house was burned to the ground.
Bin Laden was a potential wealth of Intel about terrorist groups, how he eluded capture so long, and who the hijackers were, through interrogation and cross examination at a trial. Bin Laden walked with a cane. Anyone on JSOC could have outrun him. They could have surrounded the mansion. Cops and FBI Agents often bring in criminals who shoot back, alive, to stand trial. That's what bringing someone to justice means.
And btw, the JSOC sharpshooters who killed him now cannot claim that $25 million reward... and the additional $2 million from the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.
You make some good points Sammi, but the main point which the lefties on here have completely flipped their brains off about is that they declared that when encountering combatants such as this was that they should be treated as criminals and given a trial. Ever poster on these forums that declared Gitmo should be closed, and that we should treat this as a criminal matter and not a war matter should be hanging their heads in shame because President Obama didn't want him grabbed and questioned in a nice safe and humane manner for whatever information he cared to voluntarily give up while being accorded his full array of rights. Instead he ordered a bullet be put through his brain.
The hypocrisy with all of this though is Bush called it what it is, a war on terror. Even if you don't agree with all the particulars, it is a war. Obama and many on here are the people who declare those conducting the war are blood thirsty warmongers. Then they go and start another one or two of them, explode the deficit and order a bullet through their brain while heading out for another round of golf.
The hypocrisy has to be making them sick.