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Originally Posted by elroth View Post

I guess I'm not as good-looking as you. With a dark photo or a darkish movie scene, all I see is myself reflected in the glossy monitor (like Bin Laden, I moved out of my cave years ago).

It's not enough that gloss screens are the best, they need you to accept it too.

(Religious num nuts like Bin Laden are a good analogy).
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

No it isn't. 1300 people isn't even 1% of their desktop sales last quarter. Hell, it isn't even 1/10th of a percent of their desktop sales. Apple doesn't listen to this group b/c it isn't significant enough to listen to. Even if it is 10x bigger than the petition, it's still under 1% of last quarter's sales. When you look at it from a yearly total, it's completely laughable.

Yet they DO offer anti-glare on the MacBook Pros, so they know there are a significant number of people who want it. Why they don't give the option (extra $100?) on the iMac is unknowable. It's the only reason I don't have one.

I've compared the glossy and non-glossy MacBook Pros side by side in the Apple Store, and I see no better colors with the glossy screen.
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There are licensing differences between the two and installation/updates are done differently, otherwise they are the same software.

Roughly speaking, what are the licensing differences?

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What are you talking about? There are 4 slots. Keep the 2, add another 8 and you get 12GB. Only if you want to go all the way up to 16GB will there be a point where you have to discard RAM. RAM that can easily be sold elsewhere.

As someone pointed out, it's best to hold onto the existing RAM, you'll want to swap it back in if you ever need servicing. The amount you get from the trade-in isn't very much.

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...an Apple apologist if I ever heard one. Have you ever actually tried to apply such a thing to find out it's impossible to avoid dust and bubbles under the surface?

That's what I was thinking. I'd like to get special AR coated glass, none of this shiny or dull stuff.

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Also..TB is like Firewire 800 on steroids. In other words I doubt many people use it now. In a few years, definitely. But it feels before its time. Even FW 800 has that feeling, in respect to most Mac users. Who will be using TB and how much? I am guessing just pros dealing with media or other large datasets, using it to plug into RAIDs or SSDs or some other media input device that saturates bandwidth. But hey. The iMacs are finally priced to move. Not complaining. If was in the market for a desktop I think the iMac would finally be calling my name.

TB has future potential, which is one reason why I suggested a buddy wait until the iMac was updated.

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I agree. I come to AppleInsider because it is less childish than many other tech news sites, but it's still quite hard to have a grown up discussion.

People on both sides get very enthusiastic, and sometimes it gets to the point of being overbearing. I'm not sure if there are adults anymore, just grown-up children.

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Yeah these Mac noobies don't know anything about Feng shui or interior decorating. You are not supposed to sit with your back to the window. Rearrange your furniture properly and you won't have any glare.

Feng shui is a load of diseased BS, but whatever type screen surface or technology you have, it is best to set it it in a way you get the least incident light. A setup that improves the usability of a glossy display would also help a matte display.
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Originally Posted by jmmx View Post

That is a significant number of people. And when you get a petition such as this, it usually means 10x as many or more also feel the same way. It is a shame that Apple does not listen to their customers more.

Why is it a shame? If Apple listened to their customers they'd probably end up making Windows PCs. Customers are not always right and not always smart.

That being said I prefer matte screen. If they don't make an iMac with matte screen I wouldn't buy one. Easy.
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I guess for most the reason we want a SSD configuration is to (pre)install the OS and (some of) the applications on it for faster disk access performance (e.g. app loading time, etc.) Adding a SSD later as an external storage is kind of defeating the purpose.

No silly. I meant you get the SSD, swap it for the HD in the iMac and put the HD in the external case. (Sorry, it made perfect sense in my head as I typed the original comment. )
post #166 of 301
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Originally Posted by regan View Post

Question...

The last 27" imac had a mini dvi port so that it could be used as an external monitor. Now that apple has switched to Thunderbolt in both the 27" AND the 21.5" .....does that mean you will you now be able to use the 21.5" as an external monitor too?

Id like to be able to use it as one in the future if i get a macbook pro or air.

Thanks for any reply. :-)

There's an article on Macworld where they say:

"Apple has confirmed to Macworld that the new iMacs can be used as external displays via their Thunderbolt ports. However, to do so, you’ll need a Thunderbolt-equipped Mac, such as one of the early 2011 models of MacBook Pros. Connecting the MacBook Pro to either the 21.5-inch or 27-inch Thunderbolt-equipped iMac will let you use the desktop as a display for the notebook."

http://www.macworld.com/article/1596...play_mode.html

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post #167 of 301
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Originally Posted by Sol77 View Post

I really don't get the hostility. I love my macs, enjoy the pretty, glossy screen, but geez, cut the hyperbole and anonymous, derisive sarcasm. Nobody is crying about anything. The man has a preference. He stated that preference with clarity, and a methodology for helping to make it happen. What on earth is the problem? Things not well at home? Haven't beaten your dog enough lately? Read his comment again. Totally benevolent and constructive. Can't say the same about those who responded.

Sorry, I'm just sick of all those pointless petition.

I've love my matte screen PB back then, and I don't like much glare in my screen now. But the brightness on my MPB and 24 inch apple screen make glare disappear and a non-issue while using it. But for common people, glass screen is a zillions time less fragile and more easy to clean than matte plastic screen. You don't have to care about ammonium free cleaning agent that can yellowing your plastic screen over time.
post #168 of 301
I LOVE the new imacs. Especially now that you can use the 21.5" imac as an external monitor via the Thunderbolt port.

The ONLY thing that sucks is the 21.5" models DO NOT have a BTO option for more than 512GB of video ram. Arggggggggggh.

Apple is literally forcing you to get the 27" imac if you want it. Booooo! Lol.

Gotta complain about something. :-)

Its great you can add a second SSD drive to the 21.5" model tho. Just wish you could get it with the 6970M graphic card with the 1GB option.

Oh well. Cant have EVERYTHING i guess.
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I think we both mean the same thing, but from opposite viewpoints. I'm referring to the host's point of view, you're referring from the peripheral's point of view. I think we'll see them eventually. There almost aren't any TB devices yet.

Ok. Now that I read this post I think we're both thinking the same thing but I didn't express myself as clearly as you have.
post #170 of 301
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Originally Posted by regan View Post

I LOVE the new imacs. Especially now that you can use the 21.5" imac as an external monitor via the Thunderbolt port.

The ONLY thing that sucks is the 21.5" models DO NOT have a BTO option for more than 512GB of video ram. Arggggggggggh.

Apple is literally forcing you to get the 27" imac if you want it. Booooo! Lol.

Gotta complain about something. :-)

Its great you can add a second SSD drive to the 21.5" model tho. Just wish you could get it with the 6970M graphic card with the 1GB option.

Oh well. Cant have EVERYTHING i guess.

I'm leaning towards the 21.5" model but I already have a new 22" LED LCD for my 1.83GHz C2D Mini (Mini will get regulated to XBMC / Plex duties). Hope I can run Dual Monitors off the Thunderbolt port...
post #171 of 301
Add my voice to 'not buying until they make it useable'.
Gloss screens are for idiots. It's as simple as that.

I bought my wife a 27" iMac and she had to move her office, block part of a window to be able to use it. Yah, it was stupid to buy it. Not to mention that eye strain is a problem for everyone using them. Even if you don't think your hurting your eyes... You are. Sorry to have to break it to you. Unless you work in a cave with zero reflections... Gloss is a problem. The long term effects on your eyes are not healthy.
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Feng shui is a load of diseased BS, but whatever type screen surface or technology you have, it is best to set it it in a way you get the least incident light. A setup that improves the usability of a glossy display would also help a matte display.

Sorry, didn't mean to upset you, it was a joke, sort of. Feng shui may be bunk but paying attention to it can net you many thousands of extra dollars when selling your home, at least around SoCal that is. As long as your address doesn't have a four in it.

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Originally Posted by tipoo View Post

Is the i7 in the 15 inch MBP faster than the i5 in the 21 inch iMac? Or are the laptop/desktop chips rated differently?

The 2.2GHz i7 really seems to hold up well against the iMac's desktop chips:

Geekbench (Cinebench R11) scores:
iMac 21" 2.5GHz i5 quad = 7000 (4.15)
Macbook Pro 2.00GHz i7 = 8800 (4.6)
iMac 27" 3.1GHz i5 quad = 8700 (5.15)
Macbook Pro 2.20GHz i7 = 10200 (5.30)
iMac 21" 2.8GHz i7 quad = 10800 (5.74)
iMac 27" 3.4GHz i7 quad = 12000 (6.88)

A couple of the numbers will be off as they are based on a range of scores but that seems to be roughly where they are coming in and they are sorted by the Cinebench scores, which actually indicate a real-world use as it renders a 3D image.

The 2.8GHz i7 in the BTO 21.5" iMac seems to be a pretty good value chip. This is a 65W chip. If you are into rendering or encoding, you'd be better off with the 21" with the i7 upgrade, which isn't available in the entry 27". Perhaps they are offsetting the cost of the screen with the CPU here. Pretty smart as hardly anyone would care about i5/i7, they still go by GHz numbers.

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Originally Posted by Leppo

So the 'M' in 'AMD Radeon HD 6750M' means it's the mobile version of the chip, correct? How does that compare these days?

It used to be that the iMac was mostly if not entirely made up of mobile components, but it seems like they've been sneaking in desktop parts of a while.

Yeah the iMacs use desktop CPUs, they maybe always have, I'm not sure but it seems mobile GPUs. Even the ones previously were mobile ones but not labelled as such. Makes sense as I don't think they could get a standard GPU in that chassis.

In terms of performance, the 6750M is quite powerful and performs close to a desktop 5750. This is around 1/3 of the highest end desktop GPUs but some of them shove two GPUs in there.

The 6970M in the highest iMac is double the 6750M so should be comparable to a desktop 5870, which is one of the highest-end single cards you get.

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Originally Posted by PXT

Any relevance to thunderbolt here? I.e., plug in a 10GB dongle and see your iMac speed up?

"Apple has confirmed to Macworld that the new iMacs can be used as external displays via their Thunderbolt ports. However, to do so, you’ll need a Thunderbolt-equipped Mac, such as one of the early 2011 models of MacBook Pros."

I'd expect that since the Thunderbolt ports externalise a PCI connection, you should be able to hook up an SSD outside the machine to use as a boot drive, which gives a better boost than a Vista pen drive, which is just a caching feature.

I'd also expect it to allow manufacturers to built a video input device. Given the low latency, it's probably something companies like Elgato should look into.

It's nice to see them using multiple Thunderbolt ports. That puts to bed the assumption that this would be a single port technology.
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OK, here's a question, and it may be very, very dumb. If so, I apologize.

I'm considering selling my iMac 27" C2D, and getting one of these new ones at some point in the near future. If I do so, I obviously want to completely wipe this disk, and REALLY wipe it.

How would I go about this?

Again, thanks in advance.
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Go to Apple Apple store to get all the options

There IS an 8 GB option - 16 GB for the 27"

There is also a keyboard with numeric pad option.

They have a 256GB Solid State Drive option for $600. Just wish they had a 128 GB SSD. That is what you need for OS and applications and desktop. It would be a lot more affordable. I wonder if an aftermarket SSD would be installable. They do seem to have 2 drive bays.

You probably don't want to do this yourself (it's an enormous pain- and very prone to mistakes), but there's a third party solution:

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/turnk..._2010_27/MPG1/


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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

This is a surprisingly 'mild' refresh, and the addition of the Thunderbolt ports is fine, but it's not like there's much use for them at this point (See: the fate of FireWire 800)

Let's see. Much faster CPUs, Dramatically faster GPUs, Addition of Thunderbolt port which will blow away any other external transfer mechanism. Sure, just a 'mild' refresh according to Daharder.

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They'll at least have me as part of the installed base of Thunderbolt as soon as they update the MacBook Air and the mini....

Probably within 6 months.

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Can anyone give me any tips on comparing the i5 vs i7 processors?

I use Logic Pro a lot and need to decide if the i7 is worth the upgrade. Also, is it strange that the 15" and 17" MBPs come with i7 default and the iMacs are an additional updgrade? is there any particular reason for that?

Anything a bit more in depth than "they're faster" would be tremendously appreciated.

For a CPU-intensive app like Logic, I'd definitely go with the i7. For $200 (roughly 10% of the price of the bare-bones machine), you get 10% higher clock speed and twice the number of cores. No brainer. Then add $100 for 4 GB more RAM and you're set.

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Originally Posted by Futuristic View Post

If you're not squeamish about getting into the guts of your iMac, you can order RAM from some third party place for considerably less than Apple's BTO price. You might also be able to get some money back for the original RAM.

Unlike some previous models, adding RAM to the current iMac is trivial. You don't have to 'get into the guts' - there's a separate port and it's very easy to get to.

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Originally Posted by PXT View Post

What was that thing that Microsoft were gibbering about a couple of years ago for Vista?

Hybrid drives !

Weren't they saying how wonderful it would be because you could plug in a flash pendrive externally and it would speed up processing as a RAM cache? I never heard of anyone actually using it.

Any relevance to thunderbolt here? I.e., plug in a 10GB dongle and see your iMac speed up?

Actually, you can get a better hybrid drive from Seagate. The memory is built into the drive itself and doesn't require OS intervention. In my experience, it helps, but isn't really comparable to a real SSD.

The problem with the above solution is that it's limited by USB speeds and requires the OS to get involved - which adds overhead.

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No I mean USB 3 to TB.

That way if USB 3 HDD become commonplace as I suspect they will I can plug them into the TB slot using an adaptor and at least be able to get the USB 3 transfer speed.

It's coming. There will be adapters which allow you to plug a USB 3 device into a TB port.

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No silly. I meant you get the SSD, swap it for the HD in the iMac and put the HD in the external case. (Sorry, it made perfect sense in my head as I typed the original comment. )

That is the conventional logic, but may no longer apply. Thunderbird is faster than the SSD, so even putting the SSD into an external box may make sense. In fact, one great solution might be to buy an external TB RAID box and add multiple SSD drives (since there will be several, you can choose smaller, less expensive ones). This solution should be even faster than an internal SSD.
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OK, here's a question, and it may be very, very dumb. If so, I apologize.

I'm considering selling my iMac 27" C2D, and getting one of these new ones at some point in the near future. If I do so, I obviously want to completely wipe this disk, and REALLY wipe it.

How would I go about this?

Again, thanks in advance.

1) There is a help area on this site and others specifically for technical issues that make better use of these questions for yourself and others.

2) Restart with the included DVD. Run Disk Utility, Format the drive, and zero it out as many times as you wish.
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If there are any people who don't like shiny glassy things, it's worth noting.

Okay, it's been noted.

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The fact that these people (including myself) keep harping on it means we are genuinely annoyed by the issue. We can't buy iMacs!

Sure you can... you just don't want to.

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That's annoying. We'll keep bugging you and Apple about it until something is done. Except for the reflective screen, the new iMacs seem pretty nice, but I can't use one.

The reflective screen issue is no less annoying than continued use of C2D processors in Mac minis, no backlit keyboards in MacBook Airs, crummy integrated GPUs in 13" MacBook Pros, no numeric keypad in the wireless keyboards, no xMac, etc.

The answer you seek is to buy enough stock so that what you think makes a difference and go to Apple shareholder meetings. That's the best way to get what you want from companies.

Barring that, you can start a Facebook page and get everyone who hates glossy screens on iMacs to LIKE you. Use it to set an event date and parade in the streets outside Steve Jobs home like masses of Egyptians did for days on end. Then if you don't get tear-gassed and shot by Pixar green army men snipers, you have a chance of changing the world.
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I don't see Apple changing back to Matte screens in the consumer market because 1) most consumers do not care, and 2) gloss costs less.

Matte screen users have options. You can buy a Mac Pro or a Mac Mini and bring your own monitor.

Or you do what I do - keep using your old white iMac until it dies and then switch to Linux or Win 7.
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Why no Crossfire option with the mobility Radeon? Once again Apple drags its heels in the graphics dept.

Uh... What? Have you not been paying attention for the past... forever?

Apple couldn't care less about games.

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So now that we finally have a top-level GPU in the iMac instead of mid-level, you decide to whine about something else to satiate your need to complain? Good going.

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1) There is a help area on this site and others specifically for technical issues that make better use of these questions for yourself and others.

2) Restart with the included DVD. Run Disk Utility, Format the drive, and zero it out as many times as you wish.

Gotcha. Thank you very much.
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Really? And you think an iMac should come with SAS. Right... Are you just boasting or what? I have a 50,000 sq. ft. data center hooked up to my iMac. So there.

No I'm not boasting. The fact that you think I am shows how much Mac fanboyz are content with outdated products. SAS drives are cheap now. Use them!
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Yeah, that performance path has died. 15k RPM on a desktop is dumb now, get the best SSD you can afford and be done with it. Or it's a really lame troll.

300GB 15k sas drive = $269.99
240GB SSD drive = $649.99

Must be nice to have money to burn...
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300GB 15k sas drive = $269.99
240GB SSD drive = $649.99

Must be nice to have money to burn...

How much is an SAS controller card and which Mac Pro do you have it installed in? Cheap I tell you cheap!

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How much is an SAS controller card and which Mac Pro do you have it installed in? Cheap I tell you cheap!

Did you miss the part where I said the new iMacs should come with SAS drives?
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300GB 15k sas drive = $269.99
240GB SSD drive = $649.99

Must be nice to have money to burn...

What are the relative Input/Output operations per drive? A consumer doesn't care about IOPS
but an Enterprise customer would care and a 269 dollar SAS driver isn't quite the bargain if
the performance cannot match SSD in crucial areas.
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What are the relative Input/Output operations per drive? A consumer doesn't care about IOPS
but an Enterprise customer would care and a 269 dollar SAS driver isn't quite the bargain if
the performance cannot match SSD in crucial areas.

It's not about getting the absolute best performance. Yes SSD is fastest - it's also the most expensive. SAS drives are cheap now, Apple should be offering them standard on the new Macs as they're better than Sata.
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Did you miss the part where I said the new iMacs should come with SAS drives?

No but I didn't miss the part where you said SAS is cheap either. Aren't most of those controllers like a thousand dollars? The drive in a consumer All-in-one which is mostly mobile parts should have an expensive RAID set up? Right... What are you smoking?

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It's not about getting the absolute best performance. Yes SSD is fastest - it's also the most expensive. SAS drives are cheap now, Apple should be offering them standard on the new Macs as they're better than Sata for the same price point.

I like SAS because it offers dual ported drives, logic in the chipset (low CPU util) and bidirectional performance but it's still a bit spendy.

I think a SSD cache in front of larger but low spinning disk (5400rpm) is the future.
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No but I didn't miss the part where you said SAS is cheap either. Aren't most of those controllers like a thousand dollars? The drive in a consumer All-in-one which is mostly mobile parts should have an expensive RAID set up? Right... What are you smoking?

Either you're being purposefully obtuse, or you really don't get it. I never said anything about Raid now did I? You can get SAS controllers built into the cheapest piece of crap Asus board these days. It's not a huge effort for Apple to add one to an iMac logic board.
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I like SAS because it offers dual ported drives, logic in the chipset (low CPU util) and bidirectional performance but it's still a bit spendy.

I think a SSD cache in front of larger but low spinning disk (5400rpm) is the future.

I'll agree with you there. Hybrid drives do seem to have a lot of promise.
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As for SSDs, I'd pick the faster CPU over the SSD because you can always add SSD later. Your stuck with the CPU for the life of the machine. Plus, you can get faster SSDs from third parties. Get the hard drive, and if/when you get an SSD, put the drive in an external enclosure for more storage or use as Time Machine backup disk.

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Agreed, Third party SSDs are significantly faster than Apple's offerings and they are slightly cheaper as well. Also, many tasks are CPU and/or GPU intense and an SSD isn't going to make up for slower processing (e.g. Video editing) and you can't change the CPU down the road. SSDs give you faster boot time (big deal, I reboot only when updates force me to) and open programs faster but may or may not improve speed working in the program.
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So it has no USB 3, and no blu-ray drive eh? What is it with Apple and their total failure to support modern standards?

A thunderbolt port might be useful someday, but buy an external HD now and it will have USB 3 on it, not thunderbolt. And a DVD drive? Seriously Apple? You're still crippling your PCs with optical drives which are over 15 years old?
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Either you're being purposefully obtuse, or you really don't get it. I never said anything about Raid now did I? You can get SAS controllers built into the cheapest piece of crap Asus board these days. It's not a huge effort for Apple to add one to an iMac logic board.

I suppose but if you are going to go cheap why use SAS at all? SAS is a common RAID setup not a common consumer configuration. I don't see the price point being the same either. You can get a pretty good 1TB SATA drive for a hundred bucks which will most likely outlast the computer itself.

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I suppose but if you are going to go cheap why use SAS at all? SAS is a common RAID setup not a common consumer configuration. I don't see the price point being the same either. You can get a pretty good 1TB SATA drive for a hundred bucks which will most likely outlast the computer itself.

SAS is just a technology. Raid can be used with Sata, SAS, SCSI, SSD etc. Yes SAS originated in the Enterprise environment, but it's now at a price point that there's no reason not to use it in consumer machines.
post #197 of 301
I'm wondering if they've axed the mini-display port line-in. I had been considering the iMac for some time as I could use it for an external monitor with my MBP. The power cable looks singular in purpose so I'm not clear on whether they axed that functionality or if the TB ports will allow for a display signal to be piped into the system...
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I'm wondering if they've axed the mini-display port line-in. I had been considering the iMac for some time as I could use it for an external monitor with my MBP. The power cable looks singular in purpose so I'm not clear on whether they axed that functionality or if the TB ports will allow for a display signal to be piped into the system...

Thunderbolt enable Macs (which currently means just the newest MBP) can utilize Target Display Mode. Older mini-displayport Macs cannot.

3rd party devices like the Belkin AV360 will not work with Thunderbolt iMacs.
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Yet they DO offer anti-glare on the MacBook Pros, so they know there are a significant number of people who want it. Why they don't give the option (extra $100?) on the iMac is unknowable. It's the only reason I don't have one.

I've compared the glossy and non-glossy MacBook Pros side by side in the Apple Store, and I see no better colors with the glossy screen.

Pro vs Consumer. End of story
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Pro vs Consumer. End of story

That's ridiculous.
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