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That is a significant number of people. And when you get a petition such as this, it usually means 10x as many or more also feel the same way...

This reminds me of the line from the "PTV" episode of Family Guy where the FCC guy says, "Gentlemen, we got 20 calls about the David Hyde Pierce incident and as you know, 1 call equals a billion people..."

In any event, I've had glossy screens on an iMac and two MacBook Pro's and I can't complain. Each to their own and all though. Can't wait to order a shiny new 27" model.
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Originally Posted by Jerseymac View Post

Is there any difference between the $199 version and the $79.99 version??

About $120.
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Interesting that the front page at apple.com is showing.... The white iPhone 4.

We are definitely in a different era.
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No matte antiglare screens on the new iMacs. If you need matte screens, there's something you can do - add your voice to 1,300+ petitions at http://macmatte.wordpress.com Unlike personal emails to Apple - which Apple just ignore, asserting everyone loves glossy screens - make it count by adding to the online petition where your voice will remain visible on the net until Apple listens. Remember, adding your comment to transient news articles on the net is fine, but those articles go out of date in a few weeks, and also there is no long-term accumulation and consolidation of numbers, like there is at a petition site.

Go buy a 20$ anti-glare screen protector and stop crying about apple not giving all the option you want.

Apple doesnt got many option but one thing for sure, you know what you buy and you know you got a good computer in your hands. If you want options go to Dell or Acer and hope for the best.
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Oh, does that mean an iMac can function as a display for HDMI outputting devices?

I had always assumed the mini-DisplayPort on an iMac was for output to an external display.
I did not expect it to work the other way around. That's quite a selling point if it works, as it would give you a screen for a games console and BluRay and, in my case, an output for my spare DVR box.

Sorry to sound skeptical, but does that actually work?

Hi, yes this is a workaround solution using an aftermarket box as HDMI is not natively supported.

There's a few conversion boxes on the market, I have the Kanex XD, it takes an HDMI source and outputs to Displayport BUT the iMac only supports 720p. It's great for saving desktop space but I'm not sure if this year's iMac will 1) even support this 2) improve the resolution.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder...28interface%29 has all the info.

Thunderbolt to rule them all, Thunderbolt to find them.....heh

Oh great. And from Apple's http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/ ...

"And because Thunderbolt is based on DisplayPort technology, the video standard for high-resolution displays, any Mini DisplayPort display plugs right into the Thunderbolt port. To connect a DisplayPort, DVI, HDMI, or VGA display, just use an existing adapter."

So you need an adapter to get from a Thunderbolted Mac to a DisplayPort display, but no adapter to get from said Mac to any Thunderbolt device.

No fork.

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Just out of curiosity is the desire for a non-glossy screen about reflections or the 'I use it for color accuracy' argument? If the former I'd say I far prefer the glossy and simply moving position or lighting. That one I guess is personal preferences. However, if the latter I would throw in my 2 cents ...

I have worked with matte, calibrated Barco monitors with color temps and ambient light settings ... bla bla bla and color printing, press calibrations, dot gain and ink impurity corrections, proofs and the whole process. These days I turn around a brochure or a post card from the fast print shops on line using Photoshop and even (gasp) Pages (ok I admit I transfer to a PDF to Photoshop to convert to CMYK and correct color set up) and get amazing color fidelity using Apple's glossy screens. Technology has made the glossy screen totally ok for print work IMHO.

Nice to see someone take the time to answer a concern that resulted from someone throwing their 2 cents in, albeit in a currency that is generally not accepted here! I wasn't a fan of the glossy screen but am getting quite used to it with my 27" iMac. (This current system is fantastic, the new ones will rock.)
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Originally Posted by iGuessSo View Post

Interesting that the front page at apple.com is showing.... The white iPhone 4.

We are definitely in a different era.

The new iMac has a box right below it, next to the iPad 2. New iMacs were an expectation and not bad machines even before the update. People have been bitching for the white iPhone a lot longer.



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Originally Posted by PXT View Post

Oh great. And from Apple's http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/ ...

"And because Thunderbolt is based on DisplayPort technology, the video standard for high-resolution displays, any Mini DisplayPort display plugs right into the Thunderbolt port. To connect a DisplayPort, DVI, HDMI, or VGA display, just use an existing adapter."

So you need an adapter to get from a Thunderbolted Mac to a DisplayPort display, but no adapter to get from said Mac to any Thunderbolt device.

No fork.


If the monitor has a Displayport rather than a Mini Displayport yes. Of course Thunderbolt will plug directly into other Thunderbolt slots.
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This is a surprisingly 'mild' refresh, and the addition of the Thunderbolt ports is fine, but it's not like there's much use for them at this point (See: the fate of FireWire 800)
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Originally Posted by akf2000 View Post

Does anyone know if this allows me to connect a PS3 at a resolution > 720p?

I use a conversion box with my 2 year-old iMac for HDMI > DisplayPort but the 720p limitation is with the iMac.

No graphic input anymore on the 27', just two outputs.
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Is it possible to have 2 external displays?

Yes on the 27'
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Is the standard port for Thunderbolt equal to mini-DisplayPort?

Or are we now talking about DisplayPort, mini-DisplayPort, Thunderbolt and mini-Thunderbolt?

The Thunderbolt port is functionally identical to the mini-DisplayPort connector except is will also function as a daisy-chained high-speed data bus (faster than USB3, it's actually an external PCI bus). We're all still waiting for the Thunderbolt hardware to make that a reality. RSN...

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Oh, does that mean an iMac can function as a display for HDMI outputting devices?
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Sorry to sound skeptical, but does that actually work?

It did on the old 27" iMac but not the old 21.5" iMac. I imagine we'll get a fix on this in the next day or two.

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Originally Posted by beastvince View Post

No graphic input anymore on the 27', just two outputs.

That would be a shame.

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Is there any difference between the $199 version and the $79.99 version??

There are licensing differences between the two and installation/updates are done differently, otherwise they are the same software.

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post #53 of 301
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Originally Posted by beastvince View Post

No graphic input anymore on the 27', just two outputs.

Damn!
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

This is a surprisingly 'mild' refresh, and the addition of the Thunderbolt ports is fine, but it's not like there's much use for them at this point (See: the fate of FireWire 800)

External hard drives and other items will be available by June. Apple will already have a pretty good Thunderbolt installed base by then.
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Decisions, decisions.

Trying to decide if it's time to replace my 3-year old iMac for one of these new models. What to do?

This summer, Lion will come out and in September Apple has their annual Back to School promo where they have been giving away a free iPod Touch. Wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that Apple will extend the promo with the option to take the value of the iPod Touch off a new iPad 2.

That would be very tempting. So do I get the new iMac now or wait and get Lion preinstalled on a potentially spec-bumped iMac in Sept? Doubt my current iMac will lose much value in that time.
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Sorry but this looks completely hideous! They could have at least chosen a decent modern looking game (e.g. Portal2?)
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

External hard drives and other items will be available by June. Apple will already have a pretty good Thunderbolt installed base by then.

They'll at least have me as part of the installed base of Thunderbolt as soon as they update the MacBook Air and the mini....

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post #58 of 301
Haven't seen too many Thunderbolt options for external HDs/Raids yet. Waiting for G-Technology to update their lineup. A G-Safe with Thunderbolt would be sweet!
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No it isn't. 1300 people isn't even 1% of their desktop sales last quarter. Hell, it isn't even 1/10th of a percent of their desktop sales. Apple doesn't listen to this group b/c it isn't significant enough to listen to. Even if it is 10x bigger than the petition, it's still under 1% of last quarter's sales. When you look at it from a yearly total, it's completely laughable.

And that make you happy, why?

If there are any people who don't like shiny glassy things, it's worth noting. The fact that these people (including myself) keep harping on it means we are genuinely annoyed by the issue. We can't buy iMacs! That's annoying. We'll keep bugging you and Apple about it until something is done. Except for the reflective screen, the new iMacs seem pretty nice, but I can't use one.

The reflective screen issue is no less annoying than continued use of C2D processors in Mac minis, no backlit keyboards in MacBook Airs, crummy integrated GPUs in 13" MacBook Pros, no numeric keypad in the wireless keyboards, no xMac, etc.
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And there are no spec with 8GB default Ram, adding memory actually means it is expensive even of you do it yourself, since you have to throw away both slot in order to get 8GB.

What are you talking about? There are 4 slots. Keep the 2, add another 8 and you get 12GB. Only if you want to go all the way up to 16GB will there be a point where you have to discard RAM. RAM that can easily be sold elsewhere.
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And how has that petition worked out for you? Have you gotten that matte option yet? How long has it been going on?

Ouch, dude. He made a sincere suggestion - he wasn't bragging or being arrogant. Isn't it true that a petition is a failure until it isn't? They accumulate numbers...and until then, they spread the word. There is no "how is your petition going?" - it either has or hasn't reached critical mass. Either way you look at it, it's a better method of persuasion than random posts. Why be so disdainful and sarcastic?

Not really my fight. I'd probably choose matte, but I'm not a professional photographer.
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

So how long before we see a Mac Mini upgrade. It does seem that since Apple went to the trouble of doing a major re-design not so long ago, the Mini has a future. Or does it?

Although I'm personally looking forward to a Mini with Thunderbolt and Lion, I think Thunderbolt on the Air will be more valuable. It brings back Ethernet to the Air and may allow Apple to drop to a single USB port and save even more space.

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This is a surprisingly 'mild' refresh, and the addition of the Thunderbolt ports is fine, but it's not like there's much use for them at this point (See: the fate of FireWire 800)

Does widespread failure to adopt a previously high speed connection technology automatically translate into failure to accept a new high speed connection technology?

Do you have some cogent insight into what the challenges for Firewire 800 were in wide adoption in the PC market? How about some background into why Apple chose to support Firewire 800?

One of the more intriguing aspects of this connection technology is the direct access to the PCI Express buss AND future support for both copper and optical in this.
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Sorry but this looks completely hideous! They could have at least chosen a decent modern looking game (e.g. Portal2?)

I seriously doubt Portal 2 was even out when they were doing the web graphics for this iMac.

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Wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that Apple will extend the promo with the option to take the value of the iPod Touch off a new iPad 2.

Except that this isn't going to happen for any reason at any time.

Buy now. Buy Lion at release in October.

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post #66 of 301
Question...

The last 27" imac had a mini dvi port so that it could be used as an external monitor. Now that apple has switched to Thunderbolt in both the 27" AND the 21.5" .....does that mean you will you now be able to use the 21.5" as an external monitor too?

Id like to be able to use it as one in the future if i get a macbook pro or air.

Thanks for any reply. :-)
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Ouch, dude. He made a sincere suggestion - he wasn't bragging or being arrogant. Isn't it true that a petition is a failure until it isn't? They accumulate numbers...and until then, they spread the word. There is no "how is your petition going?" - it either has or hasn't reached critical mass. Either way you look at it, it's a better method of persuasion than random posts. Why be so disdainful and sarcastic?

Not really my fight. I'd probably choose matte, but I'm not a professional photographer.

He mage the same exact comment on 9to5mac and MacRumors. It may be sincere but it's a copy paste account in an effort to drum up some meager signatures for a neglected petition.
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Originally Posted by BigMac2 View Post

Go buy a 20$ anti-glare screen protector and stop crying about apple not giving all the option you want.

Apple doesnt got many option but one thing for sure, you know what you buy and you know you got a good computer in your hands. If you want options go to Dell or Acer and hope for the best.

I really don't get the hostility. I love my macs, enjoy the pretty, glossy screen, but geez, cut the hyperbole and anonymous, derisive sarcasm. Nobody is crying about anything. The man has a preference. He stated that preference with clarity, and a methodology for helping to make it happen. What on earth is the problem? Things not well at home? Haven't beaten your dog enough lately? Read his comment again. Totally benevolent and constructive. Can't say the same about those who responded.
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Can anyone give me any tips on comparing the i5 vs i7 processors?

I use Logic Pro a lot and need to decide if the i7 is worth the upgrade. Also, is it strange that the 15" and 17" MBPs come with i7 default and the iMacs are an additional updgrade? is there any particular reason for that?

Anything a bit more in depth than "they're faster" would be tremendously appreciated.
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And there are no spec with 8GB default Ram, adding memory actually means it is expensive even of you do it yourself, since you have to throw away both slot in order to get 8GB.

It is not expensive, 107.00 plus shipping for a 8 gb kit. Remember that the 27 has 4 slots and only 2 are used with 2 of 2 gb.
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Go buy a 20$ anti-glare screen protector and stop crying about apple not giving all the option you want.

Apple doesnt got many option but one thing for sure, you know what you buy and you know you got a good computer in your hands. If you want options go to Dell or Acer and hope for the best.

...an Apple apologist if I ever heard one. Have you ever actually tried to apply such a thing to find out it's impossible to avoid dust and bubbles under the surface?
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why? TB is infinitely better, and I imagine many peripherals (such as DSLRs and external HDDs) will come with both a TB and USB port. Mice, keyboards, and printers are all wireless now.

Peripherals need power. USB provides power. Until wireless power is prevalent or batteries are so awesome in 2020 they never need to be changed...USB or some other cable will be around. I used to think my wireless input devices were nice, but I got sick of dealing with charging, batteries, etc. And I'm not sure with all the other radiowaves flying through my head I am excited about wireless power. I guess I should make myself a tinfoil hat?

Also..TB is like Firewire 800 on steroids. In other words I doubt many people use it now. In a few years, definitely. But it feels before its time. Even FW 800 has that feeling, in respect to most Mac users. Who will be using TB and how much? I am guessing just pros dealing with media or other large datasets, using it to plug into RAIDs or SSDs or some other media input device that saturates bandwidth. But hey. The iMacs are finally priced to move. Not complaining. If was in the market for a desktop I think the iMac would finally be calling my name.
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post #73 of 301
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Originally Posted by 4miler View Post

No matte antiglare screens on the new iMacs. If you need matte screens, there's something you can do - add your voice to 1,300+ petitions at http://macmatte.wordpress.com Unlike personal emails to Apple - which Apple just ignore, asserting everyone loves glossy screens - make it count by adding to the online petition where your voice will remain visible on the net until Apple listens. Remember, adding your comment to transient news articles on the net is fine, but those articles go out of date in a few weeks, and also there is no long-term accumulation and consolidation of numbers, like there is at a petition site.

I'm also sad that there isn't a matte option. If you are interested please sign the petition. If you aren't interested, please have the maturity to not belittle those that are interested in such things.

Looks like I'll be waiting one more year to see what the next cycle holds.

Note: I do own a bunch of AAPL, so I'm totally encouraging those that enjoy the current screen to buy one ASAP. Please
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Question...

The last 27" imac had a mini dvi port so that it could be used as an external monitor. Now that apple has switched to Thunderbolt in both the 27" AND the 21.5" .....does that mean you will you now be able to use the 21.5" as an external monitor too?

Id like to be able to use it as one in the future if i get a macbook pro or air.

Thanks for any reply. :-)

Last iMac had a mini display port, u needed an adapter to connect to a dvi equipped monitor. You can still go to macmall, etc and watch the spec. They still have those models. The adapter is 29 bucks on Apple website.
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Sorry but this looks completely hideous! They could have at least chosen a decent modern looking game (e.g. Portal2?)

They just took an iOS game, from the looks of it. Remember iOS rules the roost now... They didn't even bother using an actual OSX game screenshot. At best even if it is an OSX game it is clearly a basic port of an iOS game.

Don't get me wrong, I love Apple, own an etc. etc. but this is quite uncharacteristic.

Come to think of it, look at that fence texture and the license plate. This is clearly Asphalt 6 for Mac or something like that.

I'm pretty shocked right now. This is Apple's marketing and commitment to gaming and GPU horsepower on a Mac? An iOS game on the fastest desktop Apple makes? Playing an iOS game on a 27" with a very high-end GPU?

The sad part is most people won't care anyways. I almost missed it myself, having been so used to seeing iPad posters and marketing graphics.
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And there are no spec with 8GB default Ram, adding memory actually means it is expensive even of you do it yourself, since you have to throw away both slot in order to get 8GB.

Wrong - there are four slots!
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Originally Posted by Sol77 View Post

I really don't get the hostility. I love my macs, enjoy the pretty, glossy screen, but geez, cut the hyperbole and anonymous, derisive sarcasm. Nobody is crying about anything. The man has a preference. He stated that preference with clarity, and a methodology for helping to make it happen. What on earth is the problem? Things not well at home? Haven't beaten your dog enough lately? Read his comment again. Totally benevolent and constructive. Can't say the same about those who responded.

I agree. I come to AppleInsider because it is less childish than many other tech news sites, but it's still quite hard to have a grown up discussion.

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He mage the same exact comment on 9to5mac and MacRumors. It may be sincere but it's a copy paste account in an effort to drum up some meager signatures for a neglected petition.


I get you, but there are about a hundred ideas a week that are spread ad nausea over gizmodo, mac rumors, and appleinsider. He's a fan who has said nothing disparaging, and has offered a benevolent, harmless comment that is helpful to those who would also like matte. Maybe we should let him live? Your fervor belongs to a rant about the state of the US economy...not directed against some online poster who is a fan of the exact same products you are but who would also like matte screens to choose from. You guys are on the same team, and like the same stuff. Seriously, if your best friend was nuts about matte screens, would you chew him out, or would you shrug out of indifference because you guys have bigger fish to fry?
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And that make you happy, why?

If there are any people who don't like shiny glassy things, it's worth noting. The fact that these people (including myself) keep harping on it means we are genuinely annoyed by the issue. We can't buy iMacs! That's annoying. We'll keep bugging you and Apple about it until something is done. Except for the reflective screen, the new iMacs seem pretty nice, but I can't use one.

The reflective screen issue is no less annoying than continued use of C2D processors in Mac minis, no backlit keyboards in MacBook Airs, crummy integrated GPUs in 13" MacBook Pros, no numeric keypad in the wireless keyboards, no xMac, etc.

How about just bugging Apple about it? The rest of us don't care. And would prefer not to see this tastes great/less filling argument every time a new imac comes out.

Write Apple. IF enough of you write Apple then they'll make it an option. IF you really wanted an IMac you would be more constructive with your complaint. Organize a letter writing campaign, etc instead of starting a tastes great/less filling argument.

Also it is very true you can find anti-glare screen protectors. Hell if there is such a demand for this then start a business catering to this need you are passionate about.
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I agree. I come to AppleInsider because it is less childish than many other tech news sites, but it's still quite hard to have a grown up discussion.

Yeah, still a lot less rabid than the big blogs sites though.
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