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post #81 of 132
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

I meant that apple hasn't made a single announcement about how 10.7 will be sold and distributed.

well, I made a post that there wasn't an announcement on how this OS would differ from previous versions as far as making backup copies. don't respond to my post if you're only going to pretend you're talking about the same subject.
post #82 of 132
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Originally Posted by rhyde View Post

Works great until the OS is hosed and you can't download the OS to your machine from the internet.

How about a backup?
post #83 of 132
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Originally Posted by ShaolinDave View Post

well, I made a post that there wasn't an announcement on how this OS would differ from previous versions as far as making backup copies.

Well of course there wasn't an announcement about that, because there hasn't been an announcement of ANYTHING about how 10.7 will be distributed, including whether it will actually be available as a download or not.

THIS IS JUST A RUMOR at this point.

They'll talk about backup copies if and when they make an announcement that it will be available as a download. Until that announcement comes, this worst case scenario you're obsessed with exists only in your imagination.
post #84 of 132
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Originally Posted by webfrasse View Post

How about a backup?

they may or may not allow backups. if they do, awesome, i'll definitely get the downloadable version and make a backup install disc immediately.

if they don't allow backups, i will not download Lion, and would highly suggest no one else does either, unless they don't mind having to buy an extra copy of Lion if they need to reinstall.

don't listen to the idiots who're assuming you'll be able to make backups. until it's confirmed, it's just wishful thinking.
post #85 of 132
I got flamed when I suggested this might happen. However, I assume this is not confirmed so I won't be betting yet.
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post #86 of 132
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

They'll talk about backup copies if and when they make an announcement that it will be available as a download. Until that announcement comes, this worst case scenario you're obsessed with exists only in your imagination.

i just said that downloading will be a bad deal unless you can make an install disc. that's not obsession, that's just a simple observation.
post #87 of 132
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Apple hasn't announced the details obviously, but doesn't it seem likely that a version downloaded from the app store would include the ability to create a bootable backup? Most likely on USB stick or any other hard drive. 10.7 already includes the functionality to create a restore partition, it wouldn't be hard to also create that same partition on an external disk, thumb drive or otherwise.

At least it is not there yet. If the current downloadable version of Lion would include the possibility to create a bootable disk from it, I am sure we would have heard it by now. (And I am listening very closely.)
post #88 of 132
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Originally Posted by ShaolinDave View Post

don't listen to the idiots who're assuming you'll be able to make backups. until it's confirmed, it's just wishful thinking.

You're going on and on and on about how you're assuming backups will be unlikely, even though it's not confirmed...and the people who point that assumption out are the ones who are "idiots"?


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Originally Posted by ShaolinDave View Post

i just said that downloading will be a bad deal unless you can make an install disc. that's not obsession, that's just a simple observation.

No, I'd agree with that, but you've been saying that it's unlikely. I think that's an irresponsible and ignorant assumption to make, and that it's best to reserve judgement until there's a real announcement.


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Originally Posted by noirdesir View Post

At least it is not there yet. If the current downloadable version of Lion would include the possibility to create a bootable disk from it, I am sure we would have heard it by now. (And I am listening very closely.)

The CURRENT downloadable version of Lion is a beta. You can't make any assumptions about public release based on that.
post #89 of 132
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

No, I'd agree with that, but you've been saying that it's unlikely. I think that's an irresponsible and ignorant assumption to make, and that it's best to reserve judgement until there's a real announcement.

it's 100% confirmed that all current and past versions of OS X don't have a backup option. I've tried it, I even bought a dual-layer disc specifically for the test, and DRM wouldn't allow it. People have found ways to make backups, sure, but it's not officially supported.

it's also 100% confirmed that no App Store purchases can be installed on a machine that isn't currently running 10.6.6 or later. If a hard drive is formatted or replaced, it obviously won't be running 10.6.6 or later.

i make no assumptions about what the future holds, you're just putting works in my mouth. i make statements about the likeliness of future events based on current evidence.
post #90 of 132
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

I for one see this as another example of what a fwd thinking company Apple is. I agree with the positive comments above. No tracking fedex (no fuel wasted either by a 747 from China or the local truck) No packaging waste, and no fuel wasted by me going to the Apple store to get it. Win, Win all around. Gotta think of the planet!

As far as backups...the best way is to have a laptop and an iMac (and DropBox). The chances of both crashing at the same time is very small. That way you will never miss a beat while one is being repaired.

I also have a backup ext. HD.

Granted, I mainly use both Apples for business and I can see a non business user not wanting to spend the money on two computers.

Really recommend the SmartReporter free app. (No Affiliation)

It has a little green HD icon up in the menu bar next to the clock....when things start going awry it turns red. Happened to me once...saw the red icon. Took it to Apple store, had 1 month remaining on AppleCare and they replaced the drive! Pretty cool.

I would attach a small screen image but don't know how to do that.. Here's link: http://www.corecode.at/smartreporter/

Best


Unfortunately, what you describe is the failing point in the PC industry right now.

I had to work on a friend's laptop a few weeks ago, wouldn't boot into Windows 7. No restore DVD so I googled how to use the recovery partition and discovered that it was corrupted and couldn't be used. All I needed to do was run a repair so that Windows would boot again, but that wasn't possible as there was nothing viable to boot off of.

"Use your backup" doesn't work for consumers. They want the $299 laptop from Wal-Mart and expect that it'll do everything they need. We look at a $50 Passport drive as insurance but that isn't common wisdom.
post #91 of 132
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Originally Posted by chabig View Post

I've never understood why people confuse those two, when there are so many phonetically similar words. It's pretty clear what the two 'o's sound like:

moose
goose
caboose

The different sounds I hear when comparing "loose" and "lose" are not in the "o" sound. They both sound like "oo" to me. The difference to me is in the "s" sound. The former sounds like a traditional soft "s", and the latter sounds more like a "z". But that's just me.



Thompson
post #92 of 132
I can not belive that nobody mention Larry Ellison so far...

15 years ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g_tcdR_pQU

"Larry Ellison was so spot on. I mean this video was created like 15 years ago and he was already talking about shit that is only now being fully realized. What a visionary."

"My going to store, buying bits and bytes on piece of plastic... PUT STUF ON INTERNET!!"

...yes, we had to wait 15 years coz B. Gates had a monopoly on PC and he even slow down progress of computers just to maintain that monopoly!
post #93 of 132
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Originally Posted by casey4147 View Post

Unfortunately, what you describe is the failing point in the PC industry right now.

I had to work on a friend's laptop a few weeks ago, wouldn't boot into Windows 7. No restore DVD so I googled how to use the recovery partition and discovered that it was corrupted and couldn't be used. All I needed to do was run a repair so that Windows would boot again, but that wasn't possible as there was nothing viable to boot off of.

"Use your backup" doesn't work for consumers. They want the $299 laptop from Wal-Mart and expect that it'll do everything they need. We look at a $50 Passport drive as insurance but that isn't common wisdom.

My parents bought a Sony desktop a few years back. It gave the option to make a restore partition or burn reinstall DVDs.

Well, the hard drive failed in such a way that the partition was useless, and the burnt restore DVDs wouldn't do a fresh install either. I had to buy a retail copy of Windows XP to get their computer working again.

That's my concern with "Lion vs App Store". It'll have the same problems that my parent's Sony did unless the downloadable version can be used to create a physical copy identical to the retail version.
post #94 of 132
After the mess Apple made of Xcode in the App Store, the last thing I'm about to do is trust them with an O/S update in the App Store.

http://www.google.com/search?q=app+s...ions.apple.com
post #95 of 132
I love the fact everything is moving away from optical media. The App Store is great, but if Apple do offer a physical option to purchase I hope they go with the same USB media they ship with the MacBook Air's. I have moved all my current OS install Discs to USB Flash drives, faster and more convenient.
I have also replaced the optical drive in my MacBooks with a SATA caddy and an additional 2.5" drive.
post #96 of 132
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Originally Posted by ShaolinDave View Post

it's 100% confirmed that all current and past versions of OS X don't have a backup option. I've tried it, I even bought a dual-layer disc specifically for the test, and DRM wouldn't allow it. People have found ways to make backups, sure, but it's not officially supported.

I assume you mean Lion betas, because I have the Snow Leopard Install DVD copied to an external hard disk that I use for installs because it's much faster.
post #97 of 132
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Originally Posted by Gustav View Post

I assume you mean Lion betas, because I have the Snow Leopard Install DVD copied to an external hard disk that I use for installs because it's much faster.

Me too. I've always kept a system backup on a small external drive. And if he doesn't want to do that, he can clone his internal drive to a backup, or use Time Machine. In any case, the Mac has always had backup options.
post #98 of 132
This will be useless to those of us stuck behind a corporate firewall that blocks most things Apple.
post #99 of 132
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Originally Posted by dualie View Post

This will be useless to those of us stuck behind a corporate firewall that blocks most things Apple.

Why? If your company gives you a Mac, don't you think they'd install the update for you? And if they choose not to update, you probably shouldn't be doing it yourself.
post #100 of 132
As long as they make available the .iso (or img for a thumbdrive) and a checksum, I'm good with it.
post #101 of 132
You people are hard to please. I like the move to the App Store, but I'll probably just buy the physical disc. Why not do the same?
post #102 of 132
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

At least person with knowledge of the situation claims that...

AppleInsider, perhaps it's now time for you to hire "native English speakers"?

Enough is enough with the misspellings and bad grammar!
post #103 of 132
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Originally Posted by allblue View Post

I wasn't quite sure what that picture was showing me. Are you suggesting have a 10.6 partition? That or install 10.6 on an external drive would work presumably.

I'm running Mac OS 9 in Lion. You can run your PowerPC apps in there.

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post #104 of 132
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Originally Posted by rhyde View Post

Works great until the OS is hosed and you can't download the OS to your machine from the internet.

SuperDuper!
post #105 of 132
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Originally Posted by Captain J View Post

and how long will this take to download?????

Legal BitTorrent for the MacStore would be sweet.
post #106 of 132
... or for those who do not use Snow Leopard as author missed that fact.

We do not use it (we are on Leopard where Mac App Store is not available). The only reason not to go to Snow Leopard was idiotic policy by Adobe not to support it CS3 on Snow Leopard and we did not see why we need to spend money in subsequent years on upgrade for tools so just to stuff Adobe's pockets for thir laziness to simply keep releasing updates if something was so radically specific to Leopard that it would not work on Snow Leopard. We cannot afford playing games as we do run professional publishing studio for rather prominent clients in this country.

And also remember that printing shops and not Adobedictates in publishing what studios are supposed to use and many if not most biggest print studios DO NOT use latest and greatest from Adobe as opposed to common beliefs.
post #107 of 132
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Originally Posted by ShaolinDave View Post

what backup?

The backup of your current drive. You do maintain a current, bootable backup, right?
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we don't even know if backups are allowed or possible.

Apple is suddenly going to somehow prevent you from backing up your hard drive?

As far as backing up the OS X installer from the App store, it is an app in the Applications folder.
After you download and before you install anything, one should always have a current backup of their hard drive.
post #108 of 132
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Originally Posted by ShaolinDave View Post

it's 100% confirmed that all current and past versions of OS X don't have a backup option.

correct. There is not an option to make a backup. Just run disc utility and make a disc image then restore it to a DVD. NO tricks or hacks required.
Worked fine with Tiger and Leopard. Have't tried it with SL
post #109 of 132
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Originally Posted by chabig View Post

I wasn't talking about backing up the installer. That may or may not be available. I meant booting from the current backup of your machine.

Unfortunately you can't boot from Time Machine. So I guess that I need Time Machine and another backup as well.
post #110 of 132
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Originally Posted by rhyde View Post

Works great until the OS is hosed and you can't download the OS to your machine from the internet.

Perhaps. But they'll probably have a way for you to download the installation disk as a .dmg file, which you can then restore to a USB memory drive or USB HDD. Use the GUID partition table and your Mac can even boot from the USB drive. I installed Snow Leopard that way.

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post #111 of 132
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Originally Posted by anakin1992 View Post

can not wait for the day of superdrive-less machines... over the past 3 years, i used the superdrive on my mbp once. literally only once.

How do you ripp BDs and DVDs without an optical drive? I ripp stuff all the time. Pretty much every BD I buy I ripp and Handbrake into iTunes.
post #112 of 132
I would love to be able to purchase and download OS X, but I would prefer it was an ISO I could burn that an app bundle. I prefer to rebuild by box whenever there is a major OS X release, and that means installing the new OS clean, not having to install a previous version first.
post #113 of 132
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

I want a new iMac, but don't want to buy now then have to pop for Lion a few months later. Anyone know if the new Snow Leopard iMacs come with a "coupon" to upgrade to Lion when it's out? I seem to recall there was a certain number of days/weeks/months that Apple allowed for this in the past.

Usually the free upgrade (excluding shipping and handling, which may be forgone if it is downloaded digitally) is for any Mac bought from about one month before it is officially announced.

That means no Macs now will have such a coupon. Maybe any Macs bought from WWDC dates onward will qualify. It's not a coupon as such in the past, it's a form you give Apple with your proof-of-purchase... Or could be online.

Basically Apple gives OS and iLife upgrades a 90 day overlap on either side of the official release date, so that those who bought it before it came out, and those who got Macs shipped after it came out but not installed can upgrade at minimal cost.
post #114 of 132
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

I would love to be able to purchase and download OS X, but I would prefer it was an ISO I could burn that an app bundle. I prefer to rebuild by box whenever there is a major OS X release, and that means installing the new OS clean, not having to install a previous version first.

Yeah, I'm not liking the awkwardness of InstallLion.app ...maybe we're just old skool.
post #115 of 132
I disagree with your prediction. Apple will not release MAC OSX Lion through Mac App Store.

It could be very complicated to install a fresh system in case you had a crash with your mac or whatever.
post #116 of 132
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Originally Posted by success View Post

Legal BitTorrent for the MacStore would be sweet.

But pointless, given that Apple is going to be able to push out whatever speed YOU as a USER have, which is the deciding factor in downloads.

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post #117 of 132
Brilliant move by Apple. Hammer yet another nail into the coffin of small retailers and create another pile of dung for themselves.
post #118 of 132
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Originally Posted by jonnyk View Post

Brilliant move by Apple. Hammer yet another nail into the coffin of small retailers and create another pile of dung for themselves.

I love your positive outlook! Have you considered a career as a motivational speaker?
post #119 of 132
As long as I have a way to get from Leopard to Lion.
post #120 of 132
Great ! What a forward thinking company Apple is... no more media drives to take up space so we get slimmer products.... hmmm, but I live in Hong Kong, no music on the iTunes store to buy, just apps.... how do I get music into my iTunes ? used to buy CD's and import using the Superdrive on my iMac - but that won't be an option on Mac's in the future. What to do ? Move back to a PC so I can use their DVD drives to import into iTunes ? Think about what people need.... especially if you limit what they can do and offer them no alternative....
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