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up to the current time, there are 75,82 post comments to the sina report, and 42,495 plays for the video with 68 comments. Four people injured, two males and two females.
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up to the current time, there are 75,82 post comments to the sina report, and 42,495 plays for the video with 68 comments. Four people injured, two males and two females.

The incident is the fault of all involved and really not that serious. Undoubtedly, Apple will assess the matter and take the precautions in the future to prevent such trouble.
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I did some research on the issue. There were a huge crowd there on iPad 2 release day. Most people were in line for long hours. Only a few people(scalpers) behaviour badly, including a Western. It looks like that fight was cause by this Western. He wears Apple uniform. He came out to smash some customers and then went back. There are some Westerns in China who think they are superior than Chinese people and they tread Chinese really rude. I have seen such kind of cases in Beijing and Shanghai. They should learn to be civilized!

Here are some reports in Chinese. I found this report from sina web site (IT section): http://tech.sina.com.cn/it/2011-05-07/19085493568.shtml and this video post with a title of "Foreigner beating Chinese and Security guards not allowing people taking photos. http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/51851850-1214341274.html. There are many posts and comments there about the event. Some say those scalpers deserve the beat, most are fiercely about foreigner's behaviour, and some are very angry about Apple's management about the release. Many people are asking for explanation from police and Apple. This may lead exploded events.

In addition to that, a lots of twitter posts on sina weibo (Chinese version of twitter) on this issue as well. It is unclear who is to blame. So I think comments here are unfair if they don't know the truth, just based on media news about China (most are negative).

Not even gonna touch this one.

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i have said it for the past 2 years.
apple does not adequately manage a supply chain that includes china, yet

this is not the first time violence has flared at apple stores in china. in both beijing and shanghai apple stores have had to close for a day or two before in order to get control of crowds.

is this the chinese fault? no. apple doesnt have the resources in china who have been smart enough to put in place ways to manage launches. i place the blame squarely on apple for not handling these events better. each time a new product launches in china, during the past 12 months, additional security is in place. but it is poorly done and not coordinated with local police.

but this time there is definitely strange reporting coming out of the events at sanlitun:
1/ the stories say that an apple employee, foreign, came out and violently struck these people with a stick. obviously this did not take place yet apple is officially silent on exactly what did take place
2/ the photos of the "injured" show unusually similar looking bruises

i think all this means an organised group orchestrated the event to embarrass apple. obviously not apple at fault for that.

but china has an underside that works outside of laws and apple doesnt have the people operating on the ground in china to manage the result of that. for this apple is at fault. orchestrated events that are made to embarrass apple is one thing, but it can clearly escalate to innocent people getting hurt.

if apple cant manage including china in its supply chain better, then apple needs to focus on other markets first, in which brand potential can be grown.

suggestions for apple:

1/ delay product launches in china until adequate stocks are available
2/ no more launches of products at stores
3/ launches only handled through the web stores
4/ 1 item per order
5/ five or six months after web store launch, after the world-wide supply chain is coming into balance, allow sales at physical stores in china

no one gets hurt.
apple wont be playing into hands of organised crime.
orderliness is restored.
apple gets no bad publicity.
apple grows brand by getting product into hands of people just the same.

store launches at apple have become media events. apple needs to take responsibility for events that happen at them.

and get some people in china who know what they are doing.

1) What is adequate stock for a retail store?

2) Why dont you defend your stance that Apple shouldnt leverage there retail stores and 3rd-party retailers for selling their products? Note: Even Amazon, which is only online, sells out of product.

3) Are you ignoring Chian for 5 to 6 months because you dislike the Chinese people or just the country as a whole? Why should Apple treat the Chinese as 2nd rate customers?

4) People get hurt because people act like people. I suppose you can blame Apple for making too compelling a product but thats pretty fucking stupid. People cut the line, others didnt care for the injustice of that. Disolving any potential interest in the iPad doesnt fix people.
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I suppose you can blame Apple for making too compelling a product but thats pretty fucking stupid.

LOL! Couldn't agree more.
10 year old boys have trouble not cutting in line. Some people never grow up. I don't think Apple should be changing their retail strategy over something like this.
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When Apple started taking online orders for the iPad 2 at 1am PST on March 11, it was a riot. People faced off against each other trying to get their order in before the next 10,000 people. Digital violence ensued. Avatars were injured. People typed lewd obscenities. Foreigners were blamed. Scalpers posted iPad 2's for sale on eBay. Angels wept. It was civilization reduced to its baser instincts.

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In other news, 3 people were seriously hurt at a recent Playbook launch. It happened when several people lined up thinking that they would be buying iPad 2s. When they realized what was going on, a scuffle broke out. One customer said that everyone tried to leave at the same time.

no no that was a zune accessory line

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1) What is adequate stock for a retail store?

2) Why don’t you defend your stance that Apple shouldn’t leverage there retail stores and 3rd-party retailers for selling their products? Note: Even Amazon, which is only online, sells out of product.

3) Are you ignoring Chian for 5 to 6 months because you dislike the Chinese people or just the country as a whole? Why should Apple treat the Chinese as 2nd rate customers?

4) People get hurt because people act like people. I suppose you can blame Apple for making too compelling a product but that’s pretty fucking stupid. People cut the line, others didn’t care for the injustice of that. Disolving any potential interest in the iPad doesn’t fix people.

Agreed


WE will be swimming in ipad 3D models and all this ipad2 stuff will be forgotten .



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Sadly some people here know nothing of the incredible hardships the masses of the red chinese people suffer day after day decade after decade .


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"the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties eitherbut right through every human heart
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Great quote though that last name looks like a cat walked across your keyboard.
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Great quote thought that last name looks like a cat walked across your keyboard.

It looked normal to me.
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… thought that last name looks like a cat walked across your keyboard.

You're surely being abstruse rather than obtuse, right?!
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So they're big fans of Ayn Rand, I take it

Why? Because they are all on strike from innovation with John Galt?
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Memo to Steve: Make less desirable products. Your store in downtown Naperville, Illinois, was hit by overnight smash-and-grabs - twice.

That's because they refuse to use security gates when they close, you know, because it ruins the aesthetics of the store.

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Sadly some people here know nothing of the incredible hardships the masses of the red chinese people suffer day after day decade after decade .

Those of us who have been out to the more remote and rural provinces indeed do know of the disparity between these poor regions and the larger cities on the eastern seaboard.
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I'm surprised that a lot of people here are arrogant and ignorant.
I only need to point out one thing. In the past 3000 years, China was always the leader of world in 2800 years. Don't be surprised if the old king comes back. West is just leading 200 years. What's more, Europe has lost the leadership and US is losing it.
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If this is true this is quite disturbing that it was an Apple Store employee that initiated the violence, and a foreigner as well. I guess things aren't always as clear cut as we'd like.

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I did some research on the issue. There were a huge crowd there on iPad 2 release day. Most people were in line for long hours. Only a few people(scalpers) behaviour badly, including a Western. It looks like that fight was cause by this Western. He wears Apple uniform. He came out to smash some customers and then went back. There are some Westerns in China who think they are superior than Chinese people and they tread Chinese really rude. I have seen such kind of cases in Beijing and Shanghai. They should learn to be civilized!

Here are some reports in Chinese. I found this report from sina web site (IT section): http://tech.sina.com.cn/it/2011-05-07/19085493568.shtml and this video post with a title of "Foreigner beating Chinese and Security guards not allowing people taking photos. http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/51851850-1214341274.html. There are many posts and comments there about the event. Some say those scalpers deserve the beat, most are fiercely about foreigner's behaviour, and some are very angry about Apple's management about the release. Many people are asking for explanation from police and Apple. This may lead exploded events.

In addition to that, a lots of twitter posts on sina weibo (Chinese version of twitter) on this issue as well. It is unclear who is to blame. So I think comments here are unfair if they don't know the truth, just based on media news about China (most are negative).
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I'm surprised that a lot of people here are arrogant and ignorant.
I only need to point out one thing. In the past 3000 years, China was always the leader of world in 2800 years. Don't be surprised if the old king comes back. West is just leading 200 years. What's more, Europe has lost the leadership and US is losing it.

Modern representative Democracy with checks and balances is just over two hundred years old...

You do the math.

You, as a Chinese patriot (I assume) would like to see China back on top? Cool. Embrace Democracy and freedom and get rid of the CCP!

The fact that you have to use "Chinese Twitter", "Chinese YouTube", "Chinese eBay" and have no access to Facebook, Google search and maps, the new York Times (I certainly have access to People's Daily and the Beijing Times, thank you) speaks volumes about your freedom.

Then again, I bet you anything you use a proxy. What a patriot!
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Scalpers make me sick..
I'm Chinese so I happen to know a whole lot about these folks..
Their culture puts "money worship" above all else; public safety, health, dignity, respect, rule of law..., nobody really cares about any of that, making money is all that seems to matter.

In my time in China, most the people i came across have absolutely no pride in the jobs they work, they just do it for the sake of the money.

You also describe India perfectly. People in India, for the most part, work only to make money, not to do something meaningful. There are exceptions, of course, but in general, this is the reality here.

Indians worship Bollywood stars, and acquiesce to the whims of corrupt politicians, but have no sense of inherent pride. Sigh.
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Very true. Mickey Mouse.

Agreed. Peter Griffin.
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Embrace Democracy and freedom...

"Freedom" is simply being content with the restrictions imposed on you.
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"Freedom" is simply being content with the restrictions imposed on you.

Heil!
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"Freedom" is simply being content with the restrictions imposed on you.

True, that! I much prefer having the freedom to live somewhere where the populace don't have handguns to having the freedom to own a gun, for instance.

I also prefer having the freedom from molestation at the airport.

I also prefer having the freedom to choose government sponsored health care.

But no one can make a serious attempt at compariong freedoms in PRC to those in any fully developed nation. No one.
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Chinese are uncivilized "third world" people?
China is becoming a Nazi consumer state?

*sigh*

This thread never stood a chance.

But We, that we are first world take their money allowing our rich nation to live beyond our means..why don't you all check how many trillions We owe them before criticizing them..or better look at number of crimes committed in our "civilized nation" compare to them..scary number..

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But We, that we are first world take their money allowing our rich nation to live beyond our means..why don't you all check how many trillions We owe them before criticizing them..or better look at number of crimes committed in our "civilized nation" compare to them..scary number..

Are you inferring that Solipsism is saying that the "Chinese are uncivilized "third world" people and that China is becoming a Nazi consumer state?"

If so, you misinterpreted Solipsim's comment. If not, I misunderstood your retort.

Actually, I don't get what you are trying to say either way.
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True, that! I much prefer having the freedom to live somewhere where the populace don't have handguns to having the freedom to own a gun, for instance.

I also prefer having the freedom from molestation at the airport.

I also prefer having the freedom to choose government sponsored health care.

But no one can make a serious attempt at compariong freedoms in PRC to those in any fully developed nation. No one.

Agree on all points.
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Another incident to embellish & exploit for anti-Apple FUD but to quote the title of a pro wrestling opus, "Controversy Creates Cash". Next thing you know, somebody will claim that the the Apple employee beat somebody for trying to sell Xooms to the waiting customers.
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So now this is about defining Freedom?

Well, herein, freedom is defined as being allowed to expound on topics that one does not understand, such as ... freedom.

Heh, heh ....
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That's because they refuse to use security gates when they close, you know, because it ruins the aesthetics of the store.

Adding to that is Naperville itself, which aspires to upscale suburban gentility. Foldaway gates or roll-down shutters would be considered déclassé. Betcha they now have 24-hour hi def video surveillance of the entire street area in front of the store. Hitting Apple a third time would be pushing their luck.

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Those of us who have been out to the more remote and rural provinces indeed do know of the disparity between these poor regions and the larger cities on the eastern seaboard.

well i hope all things go well for you and your home land


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Modern representative Democracy with checks and balances is just over two hundred years old...

You do the math.

You, as a Chinese patriot (I assume) would like to see China back on top? Cool. Embrace Democracy and freedom and get rid of the CCP!

The fact that you have to use "Chinese Twitter", "Chinese YouTube", "Chinese eBay" and have no access to Facebook, Google search and maps, the new York Times (I certainly have access to People's Daily and the Beijing Times, thank you) speaks volumes about your freedom.

Then again, I bet you anything you use a proxy. What a patriot!

i am not convinced that democracy can bring a country to an economical power. at least i have not yet seen on case.

there are facebook/google alternatives, so why do chinese need them? i visited nyt without any issues when i was in china last month. to me it seems that only chinese version websites would be affected.
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So I'm assuming the entire settlement went like this...

Give me an iPad and we're done here!

O.K.... here you go

Thanks and don't expect me to pay for the window!
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Modern representative Democracy with checks and balances is just over two hundred years old...

You do the math.

You, as a Chinese patriot (I assume) would like to see China back on top? Cool. Embrace Democracy and freedom and get rid of the CCP!

The fact that you have to use "Chinese Twitter", "Chinese YouTube", "Chinese eBay" and have no access to Facebook, Google search and maps, the new York Times (I certainly have access to People's Daily and the Beijing Times, thank you) speaks volumes about your freedom.

Then again, I bet you anything you use a proxy. What a patriot!

Hey just broaden your horizon. There are other websites all over the world, not only American.

Why would the Chinese need to use twitter, when sina.com's Weibo has more functionalities?

Chinese people just prefer Baidu.com over google, yahoo or bing just because Baidu offers better search results for them.

They use youku.com and tudou.com over youtube.com.

Ebay is just another auction website, and there are a large number of Chinese auction and retail websites, like Alibaba.com and Taobao.com.

Chinese users are free from US website hegemony.
post #116 of 127
Another account of the events:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/as...ght/index.html

And it looks like the "attack" has been resolved:

http://agendabeijing.com/sanlitunapplestorefight/

The Apple Store employee will compensate the victim 20000 RMB (just over $3000 USD).
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Another account of the events:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/as...ght/index.html

And it looks like the "attack" has been resolved:

http://agendabeijing.com/sanlitunapplestorefight/

The Apple Store employee will compensate the victim 20000 RMB (just over $3000 USD).

Right. Violence "resolved" by a cash payout. *slow clap*

Will there be any ramifications for this Apple employee or just a slap on the wrist?

I guess it goes back to "who started it"... much like figuring out a playground fight.
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Hey just broaden your horizon. There are other websites all over the world, not only American.

Why would the Chinese need to use twitter, when sina.com's Weibo has more functionalities?

Chinese people just prefer Baidu.com over google, yahoo or bing just because Baidu offers better search results for them.

They use youku.com and tudou.com over youtube.com.

Ebay is just another auction website, and there are a large number of Chinese auction and retail websites, like Alibaba.com and Taobao.com.

Chinese users are free from US website hegemony.

The difference is -- and this is the point -- that users in the US can use all of those Chinese websites. Users in China can NOT use certain websites all around the world, and it's not because e Chinese versions are better, whether or not that's the case. It's because the CCP does not want to give you access to information that may show that there are freedoms that you do not have in China. They don't want you to know who Ai Bei Bei is and why he was arrested. So they block international social networking sites and news sites. That type of government will eventually collapse, either through revolution or through economic failure. Unless PRC allows freedom of information and freedom of speech at minimum, it's not a question of whether it willnfail, it's a question of how soon.
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The difference is -- and this is the point -- that users in the US can use all of those Chinese websites. Users in China can NOT use certain websites all around the world, and it's not because e Chinese versions are better, whether or not that's the case. It's because the CCP does not want to give you access to information that may show that there are freedoms that you do not have in China. They don't want you to know who Ai Bei Bei is and why he was arrested. So they block international social networking sites and news sites. That type of government will eventually collapse, either through revolution or through economic failure. Unless PRC allows freedom of information and freedom of speech at minimum, it's not a question of whether it willnfail, it's a question of how soon.

You are incorrect, I am not even in China, but you are in HK.

From my personal observation I derived a few points.

The Chinese do not need US political propaganda crap, rumors and imperialistic ideals found on US websites. Not only for these reasons, but many foreign websites are full of violence and child pornography.

It is the US that is in financial trouble, in particular the huge national debt that will lead to bankruptcy. The US should mind its own business first.

China does its reforms on its own terms, at its own pace.

As China's economy matures, more political reforms will come. Political reforms in China are necessary, but then again, no US imperialism.

Ai Bei Bei is just spreading lies that are potentially disruptive to the social security, and he did so probably with covert foreign help.

In the meantime, Chinese users are free from US website hegemony.
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The difference is -- and this is the point -- that users in the US can use all of those Chinese websites. Users in China can NOT use certain websites all around the world, and it's not because e Chinese versions are better, whether or not that's the case. It's because the CCP does not want to give you access to information that may show that there are freedoms that you do not have in China. They don't want you to know who Ai Bei Bei is and why he was arrested. So they block international social networking sites and news sites. That type of government will eventually collapse, either through revolution or through economic failure. Unless PRC allows freedom of information and freedom of speech at minimum, it's not a question of whether it willnfail, it's a question of how soon.

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You are incorrect, I am not even in China, but you are in HK.

From my personal observation I derived a few points.

The Chinese do not need US political propaganda crap, rumors and imperialistic ideals found on US websites. Not only for these reasons, but many foreign websites are full of violence and child pornography.

It is the US that is in financial trouble, in particular the huge national debt that will lead to bankruptcy. The US should mind its own business first.

China does its reforms on its own terms, at its own pace.

As China's economy matures, more political reforms will come. Political reforms in China are necessary, but then again, no US imperialism.

Ai Bei Bei is just spreading lies that are potentially disruptive to the social security, and he did so probably with covert foreign help.

In the meantime, Chinese users are free from US website hegemony.

You will never win this argument with a true believer such as Peter. He will never accept that people must not be protected from ideas--that only through completely free and open discussion can truth be approached. This is where the U.S. and China really differ. Freedom of speech means nothing if only what the government or the majority deem acceptable is made available. Free speech means that even the most ugly, immoral, and reprehensible content are allowed. We are free to speak out against it, debate it, and let the marketplace of ideas decide what deserves our attention and respect, or our condemnation.

The notion that China will ipso facto reform with economic maturity is by no means assured. China is living proof that you don't need democracy in order for capitalism to flourish. Mussolini's definition of fascism was a society where government embraces corporations--that they sit down together to govern. In China, corporations act in concert with the one-party government if they want to exist. Call it oligarchy, call it fascism, but whatever you call it there is no reason why it can't continue to flourish socially and economically as long as enough people like Peter are willing to exchange their freedom of speech for it.

As for me, as long as China doesn't adopt that other aspect of fascism, expansionism, I'm okay with them living the way they want.
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