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What do you think? If 1.6GHz PowerMacs and 1GHz iMacs are in the pipeline, wouldn't Apple want to keep its notebook line competitive too?
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post #2 of 42
Apollo G4 for the Titanium. It reportedly runs at speeds of 1.0, 1.13, and 1.26 GHz. I suspect it will find it's way into the iMacs and the Titanium.

Sierra G3, 1 GHz for the iBook.

Steve Jobs said (I lost the link, sorry), that he wants all macs running at over a GHz next year.

At least, that's the rumor.
post #3 of 42
I think by MWTK there should definately be updated iBooks and TiBooks.
post #4 of 42
If we look at Apple's recent product launches. (Aside from iPod), there is an emering pattern of addressing the desktop and notebook lines separately. For example, MWNY was desktop focused, while Apple then refreshed the notebook line in October.

I think a similar thing is going to happen at MWSF, with the next generation iMac and PowerMac G5 being unveiled, and then MWT will bring next gen iBooks (with IBM's 1 GHz G3) and TiBooks (with Apollo G4s). MWT will probably also mark the ship date of the high end G5.

This way, Apple will have all of its computers at or over 1 GHz by February, just as Steve wants.
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post #5 of 42
Well the PowerBooks were just upgraded to 667MHz recently. If anything i would like to see the low end be bumped to 133MHz bus speed and 733MHz speed while the high end could get to 866MHz. That would make room for the 750FX in the iBook at 600 and 750MHz. That would be sweet.
post #6 of 42
Well the PowerBooks were just upgraded to 667MHz recently. If anything i would like to see the low end be bumped to 133MHz bus speed and 733MHz speed while the high end could get to 866MHz. That would make room for the 750FX in the iBook at 600 and 750MHz. That would be sweet.
post #7 of 42
[quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:
<strong>then MWT will bring next gen iBooks (with IBM's 1 GHz G3).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Even under the most optimistic of scenarios, I don't see Apple doubling the processor speed of the iBook in less than 10 months. That's utterly and completely against Moore's Law.

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post #8 of 42
Hey bad boy,

Moores Law gives no information as to what actually goes into a product. It simply sketches processor development.

And JD, what the hell is a Sierra G3? Do you mean the Sierra C3--GMC's new top-flight luxury truck, or do you mean Sahara G3, IBMs processor?
post #9 of 42
While it would be nice to have a 1 GHz iBook... i don't see it happening. It was introduced in may at 500 MHz. Apple has never increased performance that much in such little time. That being said, if there were a 1 GHz iBook w/ 13.1 inch screen, i'd drop my TiBook on ebay, velocity engine be damned. That kind of iBook has the potential to be the most popular computer model ever.
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post #10 of 42
when is MWTK? Its not on the Apple site.

Dammit... now I have the upgrade paranoia and am going to wait until February to get my iBook combo. I was going to wait until MWSF anyway... whats an extra month? right? (grrrrrrrr...)

Waiting games suck

Anyway... for that much wait I hope we will see
  • 8x (or greater) CDR in the DVD/CDR combo drive (currently only at 4x)
    133Mhz bus
    at least 733Mhz G3 (and keeping a 600Mhz for entry level)
    maybe baby 16MB Radeon (at least for the combo/high-end iBooks)
    20GB standard HD (although 15GB for low end is pretty decent anyway)
    intro the DVD-R model baby! (although, without a G4 processor, its basically useless)

here's to wishful thinking. Also because, if an updated iBook doesn't come out by MWTK, I will HAVE to wait because there will be an update soonafter.
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post #11 of 42
Please. Can you imagine how many people would be pissed off if Apple revised any of it's laptops in January?

For heaven sake, it's been only a few months since the speed bump. If you can't live with the machine you just bought just 3 months ago, then you shouldn't have made the purchase in the first place.
Any hardware purchase should pay itself off in a year or so.
post #12 of 42
[quote]Originally posted by satchmo:
<strong>Please. Can you imagine how many people would be pissed off if Apple revised any of it's laptops in January?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

MacWorld Tokyo is what we are talking about... and it takes place in Febtober (any SNL fans?).

iBook 2001 rev.a = May
iBook 2001 rev.b = October
iBook 2001 rev.c = February(?)

thats approx 4+ months between updates and looks feasable
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post #13 of 42
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
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thats approx 4+ months between updates and looks feasable</strong><hr></blockquote>

Another speed bump could happen but would'nt do much. They're more likely to wait till MWNY in July for a newly re-designed one.
post #14 of 42
I don't think we'll see a speed bumped iBook in Feb either. The 600s kick ass as it is. Of course you never know... just my humble 1.27 cents CDN.
post #15 of 42
The iBook line is getting stale. Of COURSE Apple will update them at least. I hope for a gigahertz G3 iBook. Wonder what the battery lif ewill be on thqt sucker...
post #16 of 42
LOL

Good one.

Yeah, the iBooks are soooo stale.

(just realized you are probably being sarcastic... I'm a little slow today... what the hell, I'm posting this anyway...)
post #17 of 42
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>when is MWTK? Its not on the Apple site.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's Mac World Tokyo. That's where the Blue Dalmatian and Flower Power iMacs were introduced in February this year.
post #18 of 42
MW Tokyo is actually March 21-23 now, got bumped back.
The official website:
<a href="http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/macworld2002/en/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/macworld2002/en/index.html</a>

I think 5 months between laptop updates is reasonable (and i want a powerbook in march!)
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post #19 of 42
Febtober... bahahaha!
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[quote]Originally posted by agent302:
<strong>MW Tokyo is actually March 21-23 now, got bumped back.
The official website:
<a href="http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/macworld2002/en/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/macworld2002/en/index.html</a>

I think 5 months between laptop updates is reasonable (and i want a powerbook in march!)</strong><hr></blockquote>

How come it got bumped back?
post #21 of 42
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[quote]Originally posted by satchmo:
<strong>Please. Can you imagine how many people would be pissed off if Apple revised any of it's laptops in January?

For heaven sake, it's been only a few months since the speed bump. If you can't live with the machine you just bought just 3 months ago, then you shouldn't have made the purchase in the first place.
Any hardware purchase should pay itself off in a year or so.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Anyone who thinks Apple should hold off product announcements to please costumers who bought notebooks three months ago is stupid. Apple will never break the single digit market share this way. Unless it's a major update, I see no reason why Apple shouldn't udpate its product lines when a new chip or video card ships. Waiting probably hurts them more. People aren't going to stop buying Macs because a new model comes out every three months. It would do the opposite. It would convince a lot of people that Apple will always be competitive in the future, and investing in Mac hardware and software now is not risky.
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post #22 of 42
[quote]Originally posted by Keeksy:
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Anyone who thinks Apple should hold off product announcements to please costumers who bought notebooks three months ago is stupid. Apple will never break the single digit market share this way. Unless it's a major update, I see no reason why Apple shouldn't udpate its product lines when a new chip or video card ships. Waiting probably hurts them more. People aren't going to stop buying Macs because a new model comes out every three months. It would do the opposite. It would convince a lot of people that Apple will always be competitive in the future, and investing in Mac hardware and software now is not risky.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exaclty. That's why it pisses me off when people complain about Applre releasing new stuff too soon.
post #23 of 42
[quote]Originally posted by Keeksy:
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Anyone who thinks Apple should hold off product announcements to please costumers who bought notebooks three months ago is stupid. ... It would do the opposite. It would convince a lot of people that Apple will always be competitive in the future, and investing in Mac hardware and software now is not risky.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thank you. Well said.

This has been a pet peeve of mine for quite some time. While updating every month would merely be confusing, updating at 3-6 month intervals is perfectly reasonable. And, as we've seen with the PowerBook, waiting more than six months to update causes its own set of problems.

If your feelings get hurt because a faster machine is introduced, then you need to reevaluate your reasons for investing in a computer in the first place.


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post #24 of 42
[QUOTE]SATCHMO:Another speed bump could happen but would'nt do much. They're more likely to wait till MWNY in July for a newly re-designed one.


No chance in hell youre gonna see a new redisigned i-book.Apple already did that a few months ago.
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post #25 of 42
Hi guys, I personally feel that MWSF is going to be a Ghz party and that everything, is going over, I don't know it's just a gut feeling, but it's the same one I had when the iPod came out. BTW a little bird told me iPod "extras" may be appearing at MWSF.
post #26 of 42
[quote]Originally posted by macgirl:
<strong>Hi guys, I personally feel that MWSF is going to be a Ghz party and that everything, is going over, I don't know it's just a gut feeling, but it's the same one I had when the iPod came out. BTW a little bird told me iPod "extras" may be appearing at MWSF.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do you seriously think Apple has the resources to pump 5 new products into the retail channel? Hell, the CDRW PowerBooks aren't even shipping. Yes, there is a $100 rebate on the iBook, but I think this is more holiday sales driven than channel clearing. Plus, the TiBook has no deal. Well... the double RAM thing, but that's worth about $50. The soonest we'll see updated laptops is MWT.
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post #27 of 42
1GHz iBook my ass.



I swear to God...it's like Macworld rolls around and 74% of you people COMPLETELY lose it and totally disregard any sort of established, set patterns and practices.

It's taken Apple over two years to nudge up 300MHz in most of their product (think about it...check the dates, run the numbers, etc.) and now, out-of-the-blue, all of a sudden there's supposed to go, in one fell swoop four weeks from now, BAM...INSTANT GHz, across the line.

Hey, I'm an optimist, but I'm not sniffing glue and sprinkling crack on my Raisin Bran. Good gravy.

We'll go through the entire YEAR of 2002 and the laptops (iBook AND PowerBook) won't even get CLOSE to 1GHz.

This time next year, the Titanium will (hopefully) have a combo drive and probably be at 867MHz, give or take. The iBook will probably be at 800MHz. Gotta figure each of them getting two refreshes/speed bumps a year (Macworld Tokyo and autumn Seybold, perhaps...or simply, like last time, just a quiet, non-event refresh/update) at 100MHz each.

When has Apple, in the past three years, jumped up some funky ass amount like 200-400MHz in one pop?

They HAVEN'T.
post #28 of 42
[quote]Originally posted by satchmo:
<strong>Please. Can you imagine how many people would be pissed off if Apple revised any of it's laptops in January?

For heaven sake, it's been only a few months since the speed bump. If you can't live with the machine you just bought just 3 months ago, then you shouldn't have made the purchase in the first place.
Any hardware purchase should pay itself off in a year or so.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why is it that it's completely acceptable for Dell or Gateway to update to the latest processor and it's just the "way it is" when a faster unit comes out 2 or 3 months later. Have we grown too used to slow updates? This is stupid. We should glad that Apple is updating instead most Apple owners fear the day their Macs are no longer the latest. I guess this is a testament to the loyalty to the Mac!
post #29 of 42
Personally, I'd welcome uggrades every frickin' month, but that won't happen.
And it won't happen every 3 months either.

Doing so would only cause confusion and kaos among consumers. Not to mention the headache it would cause for the dealers.

And what about the excess inventory of older models? Apple doesn't need to be stuck with piles of outdated Macs. Dell may be able to do as most of their crap is built to order with parts that don't necessarily need customization.
post #30 of 42
[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong> We'll go through the entire YEAR of 2002 and the laptops (iBook AND PowerBook) won't even get CLOSE to 1GHz. </strong><hr></blockquote>

The PowerBook runs at 667 MHz because there is no faster PPC7440 and the 7450 is to hot. This will change with the 7460, so there's no reason not to push the PB to 1Ghz and above.
Same will happen to the iBook. Speed will go up as soon as IBM can deliver faster PPC750FX!
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post #31 of 42
[quote]Anyone who thinks Apple should hold off product announcements to please costumers who bought notebooks three months ago is stupid. Apple will never break the single digit market share this way. Unless it's a major update, I see no reason why Apple shouldn't udpate its product lines when a new chip or video card ships. Waiting probably hurts them more. People aren't going to stop buying Macs because a new model comes out every three months. It would do the opposite. It would convince a lot of people that Apple will always be competitive in the future, and investing in Mac hardware and software now is not risky. <hr></blockquote>

You are so right on. I've been preaching this for the past year, too. I just WISH Apple would put it in to practice. My instincts tell me they would put this into practice if they could; the real problem is the supply of updated parts.

pscates: [quote] When has Apple, in the past three years, jumped up some funky ass amount like 200-400MHz in one pop? <hr></blockquote>

Well, obviously, the answer is never. But that is not to definitively say it would never happen. If we are to believe your logic stating that because Apple has never made such a jump, they never will, then we are in a precarious situation. The implication is that Macs will never catch up to PCs. For us to catch up, Apple's processors are going to have to make some huge jumps in the future.

What this will entail is a two part convergence:
1. Motorolla/IBM actually make the faster chips
2. Apple is willing to make the jump

If these two happened, then we could see a jump of around 500 MHz. It's the only way we will get competitive again. The current "incremental increase" pattern is leaving us in the dust.

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post #32 of 42
[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
It's taken Apple over two years to nudge up 300MHz in most of their product (think about it...check the dates, run the numbers, etc.) and now, out-of-the-blue, all of a sudden there's supposed to go, in one fell swoop four weeks from now, BAM...INSTANT GHz, across the line.

Hey, I'm an optimist, but I'm not sniffing glue and sprinkling crack on my Raisin Bran. Good gravy.

We'll go through the entire YEAR of 2002 and the laptops (iBook AND PowerBook) won't even get CLOSE to 1GHz.

This time next year, the Titanium will (hopefully) have a combo drive and probably be at 867MHz, give or take. The iBook will probably be at 800MHz. Gotta figure each of them getting two refreshes/speed bumps a year (Macworld Tokyo and autumn Seybold, perhaps...or simply, like last time, just a quiet, non-event refresh/update) at 100MHz each.

When has Apple, in the past three years, jumped up some funky ass amount like 200-400MHz in one pop?

They HAVEN'T.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

A small correction: It is MOTOROLA and/or IBM that has been unable to deliver the GHz goods thus far. They've only had 200-400 MHz speed bumps because that's all there was. Obviously, Apple will use the fastest chips available for its stuff. If Moto and IBM have the chips in January (or shortly thereafter), you can bet your butt they'll be in the products.

If it's a 2x speed bump and next gen processors that obsoletes all current hardware, they'll be crowing, not apologizing. They're in the business of selling computers, after all.
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post #33 of 42
[QUOTE]Originally posted by pscates:
[QB]1GHz iBook my ass.


&gt;&gt;&gt;
It's taken Apple over two years to nudge up 300MHz in most of their product (think about it...check the dates, run the numbers, etc.) and now, out-of-the-blue, all of a sudden there's supposed to go, in one fell swoop four weeks from now, BAM...INSTANT GHz, across the line.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by pscates:
[QB]1GHz iBook my ass.


&gt;&gt;&gt;
It's taken Apple over two years to nudge up 300MHz in most of their product (think about it...check the dates, run the numbers, etc.) and now, out-of-the-blue, all of a sudden there's supposed to go, in one fell swoop four weeks from now, BAM...INSTANT GHz, across the line.
&gt;&gt;&gt;

Howdy y'all (sorry about that blank post pushed reply key to soon) :}
I thought I would stick in my 2 cents. Apple is not the reason it has taken so long to get the processor speeds up, it was Motorola remember how long they kept us stuck around 500 mhz. I would not be surprised if there were Gig hz chips available that Apple would take this opportunity to make up for lost ground. And if they went Gig HZ on all models it might pay for itself by causing a stir of excitement with us users and with the press.
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[quote]And JD, what the hell is a Sierra G3? Do you mean the Sierra C3--GMC's new top-flight luxury truck, or do you mean Sahara G3, IBMs processor? <hr></blockquote>

Oh, yeah, Sahara. That Sierra would run a bit hot for an iBook.
post #36 of 42
Also, the only reason Apple bumped 200 mhz each time, is because that's all they could bump. If Apple could bump 500mzh everythime they would.
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post #37 of 42
Exactly, if apple had the processors we'd be seeing mad amounts of bumps. As it is my predictions go as such:

New Ti's: 867 and 800 models

iBook 800 with new 16mb graphics card (LONG OVERDUE) and across the board 100mhz bus.
post #38 of 42
Nah, 867 and 800 are too close together. I'd say maybe 733 and 867. That is a more realistic gap.
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[quote]Originally posted by Tarbash:
<strong>Nah, 867 and 800 are too close together. I'd say maybe 733 and 867. That is a more realistic gap.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, that makes more sense.
post #40 of 42
An October press release from IBM said:

[quote] Select customers are currently evaluating the hardware with general sampling available in January of 2002. The PowerPC 750FX is planned to initially debut at 700 MHz, with versions at speeds up to 1 Ghz later that year. <hr></blockquote>

I can only assume that Apple would be one of those "select customers". Here's my question: could Apple release a Sahara-based iBook at around the same time that IBM offers Sahara for general sampling?
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