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I spent the last 12 months hearing that the only reason Andoid is doing so well is all the cheap devices. Now we hear a lot of apple sales are old, cheap devices.

Looks like that argument cant be used to justify why android OS had 50% for smartphone sales in Q1 2011, way above the iPhone.

Umm. iPhone 4 was #1 last quarter and 3GS was #2...both run the latest version of iOS 4 and can run 95% of the same apps. Many of these cheap Android phones can not even run 2.0 or even 10% of the same Apps...

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I know this is a fanboy fourum, but anyway, here are some facts contradicting to your article :

http://venturebeat.com/2011/05/09/ga...-3m-preorders/

While your statistics might be slightly true with iPAD 1 since lot of people want it and there are so many of the andriod tablets, there is no way that apple sells 3 million old phones.

Just do a little research before making ridiculous claims.

See above for real rankings last quarter. Samsung routinely releases misleading numbers. However, Your article doe not even name a single source.

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I'm looking for the "facts" in your link. I can't find any.
Just a company announcement that 10 million Galaxy phones were pre-ordered worldwide.

Samsung had similar "facts" about sales of the Galaxy TAB but it turns out they shipped 2 million to retail outlets but sold "considerably less" according the WSJ. And "considerably less" was the quote from SAMSUNG.

I found it pretty amusing.
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But that doesn't mean anything around here since it is a fight between Apple and Google that is the hot button issue, not one between Apple and some other single Android manufacturer.

Apple fanatics are so tired of being #2 and now they see what they thought might be their only chance to be #1 at something slipping away. They are in denial and are trying to spin it so Apple is still on top by comparing iPhone to just any single handset when actually their true desire is to beat Android since Android is spawn of the evil Google.

They should just relax and enjoy Apple quality as we have always done over the years regardless of market share. Apple is #1 in quality and apparently in profit. Nothing to worry about.

I agree with your bottom line, but disagree that Apple is #2 apps platform. This is not the case by volume or dollars in Apps. Android has had this "lead" for over 12 months, and their developers are still earning 10% of what Apple developers are. That figure does not even include companies like Netflix, so the Android platform is far weaker then the dollars show.
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"Sheep" are the millions of people who use Windows and Office NOT because they like them better OR find them superior than competing products, BUT because they know nothing else and just follow the standard imposed by their environment.

It's pretty much an "If you don't use Win/Office, you can't work" world out there, a requirement imposed by most companies and swallowed by all their employees. So who's the sheep now?

Fortunately some industries are different (e.g., web design, DTP ). Better yet, I'm in
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my 3g works better than the prepaid android messes out there

My brother's Optimus V (low end Android phone) does every single thing a 3GS can do. It actually does more (Can use widgets, view Flash sites, live wallpapers, ect). The same can be said for most if not all low end Android phones being sold.

The Optimus V is slated to get a gingerbread upgrade as well.


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he has tried some apps many don't work for his phone

Which apps? I dont know of any apps that will not work on Android 2.2.


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and the prepaid plans with data nearly match a contract phone

Which carrier is it? My brother is with Virgin Mobile...unlimited text and data for $25 a month and no contract.


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my friend who bought one paid (don't know why) $200 android i believe 2.2 but not upgradable

Which phone was it?


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i know prepaid may work perhaps in china and europe but its the data cost that doesn't make it such a deal

Which carrier offers a better deal for data than $25 a month unlimited?

I would never buy a non-contract phone either, but there are a lot of people who would, for lots of reasons. Why would you pay $90 a month for stuff you dont need or use? If all you are doing is occasional web browsing, you probably dont need unlimited data.
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I know this is a fanboy fourum, but anyway, here are some facts contradicting to your article :

http://venturebeat.com/2011/05/09/ga...-3m-preorders/

Yeah, the Galaxy S2 is pretty sweet. That is the one I am waiting for. It should be out in the US just about the time my contract is up.

It is kinda ironic that the features that make it look like the iPhone are exactly the features I dont want. The first thing I am going to do is install a custom launcher. I hate Touchwiz. My sister bought a Fascinate and the first thing she did was install launcherPro to get rid of that stupid tacky interface.
post #45 of 156
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Yes, reality is really very bitter for Apple, raking in over half of the profits in the cell phone market with just 2 devices and outselling each and every *individual* Android handset by a huge margin

I cant imagine why you would use the qualifier "individual".
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I would never buy a non-contract phone either, but there are a lot of people who would, for lots of reasons. Why would you pay $90 a month for stuff you dont need or use? If all you are doing is occasional web browsing, you probably dont need unlimited data.

in yurup we dont get unlimited data anyway. Prepaid will be huge for Apple.
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Yeah, the Galaxy S2 is pretty sweet. That is the one I am waiting for. It should be out in the US just about the time my contract is up.

It is kinda ironic that the features that make it look like the iPhone are exactly the features I dont want. The first thing I am going to do is install a custom launcher. I hate Touchwiz. My sister bought a Fascinate and the first thing she did was install launcherPro to get rid of that stupid tacky interface.

Good for you, but these shopping stories would be more relevant on a Android site, perhaps. They are off topic in a thread about how a two year old phone is spanking all Android machines, despite it's premium price.
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post #48 of 156
The 3GS sells well for another reason. For those of us IPhone fans experiencing attenuation problems with the iPhone 4, the 3GS is a better phone, if not a better smartphone.
post #49 of 156
I recently sold my 16GB iPhone 3Gs for $275 on eBay. I was surprized I got that much for it. I used to sell things on Gazelle but they don't pay enough. They only offered $120 for a 16GB iPhone 3GS, less than half the going rate of eBay.

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Spoiler Alert:
-No single android device will sell more handsets than an iPhone.
-Android as an OS will gain the lionshare of the Smartphone Market (even if you don't believe the analyst of today, and I don't blame you). This is just simple economics.
-That being said, it's highly unlikely that ANY manufacturer will ever beat Apple's profit margins on handsets. Most won't even come close, so matter what the "OS" market share looks like, Apple will always have a disproportionate control of the Profit market share.

There, in three bulletpoints, I've covered what we can take from ANY "analyst" claiming to compare Apple to Android at any monetary level.

Think about it. iOS only has TWO models when it comes to phones, and they target two very different mindsets with consumers. (tech specs are meaningless to most customers with a $150 price difference) People either want a "Great" phone (iphone4) or "Something Free, or close to it" (3gs)

In EITHER category, that single phone will go up against multiple devices that have android for a similar price point. So if someone wants a awesome new iOS device, they choose the iPhone4.

If they want Android? Then it gets more complicated. Let's say they're a Verizon customer looking at a high end smartphone, their choices are the following (I might miss some, it's been awhile since I checked)
-iPhone4
-Thunderbolt
-Droid Incredible 2
-Samsung Fascinate
-Droid X
-Droid 2 Global
-Droid Pro

These phones might not all have the SAME cost to the customer, but they're similar. But do you see the problem? If the customer wants an android device, they STILL have to make a choice from a minimum of five selections. So even if 75% of high end customers chose Android over iOS it's still unlikely that any Android phone by itself will outsell the iphone4, and I doubt the % is anywhere near that high.

This is without factoring in things like usability, marketing, or what company reps may push (they'll prefer Android, since it makes them a LOT more money).

Comparing the two operating systems, or one phone against the other is pointless. They are two totally different models, and ANY comparison between the two when it comes to "Marketshare" will be wrong because it is impossible to take the whole thing into account.
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Obviously we can compare Market share regardless of what biases we think consumers bring to the Market. In any case the idea that Apple can't compete with Android because there are more models is fallacious. Nokia used to dominate. What is needed are more models.
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Obviously we can compare Market share regardless of what biases we think consumers bring to the Market. In any case the idea that Apple can't compete with Android because there are more models is fallacious. Nokia used to dominate. What is needed are more models.

You missed the point of the post entirely. I'd give you a gold star, but Anonymouse already took all of them.

If someone chooses iOS they have a SINGLE DEVICE to get. (again, the $199 customer isn't the same thing as the $50 customer, no matter the OS). If the customer chooses android they have MULTIPLE devices at the same/similar (~$50 difference), so it's highly unlikely that ANY single android device will sell more units than the Iphone4 for the simple fact that ever Charge sold is one less thunderbolt sold JUST AS MUCH as it is one less Iphone4 sold.
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You missed the point of the post entirely. I'd give you a gold star, but Anonymouse already took all of them.

If someone chooses iOS they have a SINGLE DEVICE to get. (again, the $199 customer isn't the same thing as the $50 customer, no matter the OS). If the customer chooses android they have MULTIPLE devices at the same/similar (~$50 difference), so it's highly unlikely that ANY single android device will sell more units than the Iphone4 for the simple fact that ever Charge sold is one less thunderbolt sold JUST AS MUCH as it is one less Iphone4 sold.

No idea what that meant. My best bet is this: you seem to think because there are lots of different androids we can't compare market share. But we can.

Also Apple dont have to stick to 2 models.
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I spent the last 12 months hearing that the only reason Andoid is doing so well is all the cheap devices. Now we hear a lot of apple sales are old, cheap devices.

Looks like that argument cant be used to justify why android OS had 50% for smartphone sales in Q1 2011, way above the iPhone.

I don't know about the 50% of smartphone sales going Android and hadn't seen any reliable source that stated that. According to Comscore, Android's share of the smartphone market increased 6% this quarter, to 34.7%. Apple remained steady at 25.5%.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/08/c...martphone-mar/

What would be interesting to know is how many of those cheap older 3GS phones were sold to customers that originally came in to buy Apple's current 4G.

Try this
http://www.canalys.com/pr/2011/r2011051.html
"Android remained the leading smart phone platform in the US for the third consecutive quarter, with a 49% share."


As I said, Android had 50% (a rounded 49%) of the Q1 sales. There is a difference between period sales figures and total market share. But don't let reason get in the way of a good attempt to make things all rosy for apple.
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Well said.

This new report pretty much shows Android buyers fall into two camps, 'I buy the cheapest and don't care what it is' group and the pure 'I won't buy anything from Apple' group. . .

That's not the case however. The most popular Android smartphones are priced similarly to Apple's iPhone4 at both Verizon and AT&T. Buyers are getting many of the new Android phones for features and "wow factor" as much or more than price. The screen size and display alone sell many of them. Side by side with an iPhone a lot of them do look pretty darn good in comparison, and that's all many buyers care about at that moment.
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No idea what that meant. My best bet is this: you seem to think because there are lots of different androids we can't compare market share. But we can.

Also Apple dont have to stick to 2 models.

Are you comparing marketshare of an OS to a device? Pick any iOS-based smartphone that came out in 2010 and pick any Android-based smartphone that came out in 2010. Which one sold more? Was the Android-based smartphone you choose able to sell out continuously? Did its sales increase each quarter? Is it even still selling more than a half a year after it was released or did the vendor leave if for dead because it wasn’t selling and they had some slightly different Android-based smartphone to push? When did the HW vendor offer it an update?
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That's not the case however. The most popular Android smartphones are priced similarly to Apple's iPhone4 at both Verizon and AT&T. Buyers are getting many of the new Android phones for features and "wow factor" as much or more than price. The screen size and display alone sell many of them. Side by side with an iPhone a lot of them do look pretty darn good in comparison, and that's all many buyers care about at that moment.

The most popular phones are not as popular as Apples 2 year old model.

Obviously I think Apple need to compete with bigger screens and more variety. The illusion of choice is still choice. Between them Apple and Android are 80% of the market in the US. That's doom for everybody else.
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Simply put for those who tout Android, it's more about hating Apple than than being an Android fan. First Windows now Android are the hater's Apple killers. It's really all about Apple. And after a couple of decades of suffering insults, the "sheeple" comments, the Apple death watch clocks, Apple fans are more than willing to rub the hater's noses in it.

Childish, stupid, meaningless, non productive...yes. Fun...absolutely! And don't kid yourself, the CEOs of these companies have tremedous egos and trash talk each other on a regular basis. See past comments from Michael Dell, Steve Ballmer, Steve Jobs about each other's accomplishments and products. Ballmer and Dell have pretty much shut up recently, though, in light of Apple's rise to power.

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Are you comparing marketshare of an OS to a device again? Pick any iOS-based smartphone that came out in 2010 and pick any Android-based smartphone that came out in 2010. Which one sold more? Was the Android-based smartphone you choose able to sell out continuously? Did its sales increase each quarter? Is it even still selling more than a half a year after it was released or did the vendor leave if for dead because it wasnt selling and they had some slightly different Android-based smartphone to push? When did the HW vendor offer it an update?

I don't care. Those are excuses. It is valid to include all iOS vs Android. The rest of your liturgy is some wank about how Apple does better per device: I know that and therefore I conclude they would do even better with more models, both cheaper models and possibly a high end with bigger screens. If they are at 31% with two devices on two carriers they can take majority phone marketshare in the US. Let's not make pre-emotive excuses.
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The most popular phones are not as popular as Apples 2 year old model.

Obviously I think Apple need to compete with bigger screens and more variety.

If even their old kit is popular, they can barely keep ahead of their current supply chain, and they make over 50% of the worlds handset profits then I dont think they need to any such thing to compete.

Id like them to make a larger iOS-based device, but that isnt the same as me thinking they need to make one.
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Are you comparing marketshare of an OS to a device? Pick any iOS-based smartphone that came out in 2010 and pick any Android-based smartphone that came out in 2010. Which one sold more? Was the Android-based smartphone you choose able to sell out continuously? Did its sales increase each quarter? Is it even still selling more than a half a year after it was released or did the vendor leave if for dead because it wasnt selling and they had some slightly different Android-based smartphone to push? When did the HW vendor offer it an update?

Every Thunderbolt sold is one less Charge/Droidx sale JUST AS MUCH as it is one less Iphone Sale.

They are two completely different markets, and no matter how much either side tries to skew the numbers to say otherwise this WILL NOT CHANGE unless:
1) Apple starts releasing MULTIPLE current version devices at similar price points
or
2) Google locks down android so that there is only ONE new model a year.

Both options are completely counter to the business model of those two companies.
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If even their old kit is popular, they can barely keep ahead of their current supply chain, and they make over 50% of the worlds handset profits then I dont think they need to any such thing to compete.

Id like them to make a larger iOS-based device, but that isnt the same as me thinking they need to make one.

Nokia once had 65% profit. Now they don't. The loss of marketshare eventually loses profit. Not that Apple is losing market share yet. the supply chain is an issue, however Nokia could dominate the market as one company, Apple need to get that in order.
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I spent the last 12 months hearing that the only reason Andoid is doing so well is all the cheap devices. Now we hear a lot of apple sales are old, cheap devices.

Looks like that argument cant be used to justify why android OS had 50% for smartphone sales in Q1 2011, way above the iPhone.

Well no. This EXACTLY proves that Android was selling BECAUSE it was cheap;
1) When on the same platform, for the same price, people choose the iPhone
2) More EXPENSIVE iPhones also sell.
3) When an iPhone is not available, an ANDROID outsells all other phones.
4) There are NO UNSOLD iPHONES.

The market trend is that the MOBILE PHONE is going to become a SMART PHONE -- as long it doesn't cost much more. So, if you are going to get vanilla Nokia cheap handset or vanilla ANDRIOD cheap handset -- you get the ANDROID.

That's what the market is doing; the NEW cheap handset is a smart phone and that happens to usually be an Android. When people have enough money -- then they shell out for the premium product; an iPhone.

>> But the perception of even people who BUY Andriods, is that it's a cheap, smart phone. And when possible, people get an iPhone -- even if it is cheap.

OK, is there any way to make this point simpler but not TOO simple?
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Nokia once had 65% profit. Now they don't. The loss of marketshare eventually loses profit. Not that Apple is losing market share yet. the supply chain is an issue, however Nokia could dominate the market as one company, Apple need to get that in order.

But if Nokia still made the top 2 phones, they might still have the profits.

What % of those sales are pre 2.0 phones that will never be upgraded and are completely irrelevant as part of the Android platform?

http://developer.android.com/resourc...-versions.html

Google says 5%, but that is based on accesses to the Marketplace. Why would these users even bother to access a market place they can not use Apps from, so the number is something > then 5%. Google does not release raw numbers, this would likely shatter the enitire Android market share myth. Pre 2.2 the #is 30%, there a lot of incompatibilities between 2.1 and 2.2 as well.

If we want to compare platforms, we should look at developer revenues. This is what matters for the platform. In this case, Android is being annihilated...
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I don't care. Those are excuses. It is valid to include all iOS vs Android. The rest of your liturgy is some wank about how Apple does better per device: I know that and therefore I conclude they would do even better with more models, both cheaper models and possibly a high end with bigger screens. If they are at 31% with two devices on two carriers they can take majority phone marketshare in the US. Let's not make pre-emotive excuses.

1) The excuses are comparing the iPhone device to all Android-based devices and then saying Apple is losing. Its like saying the Mac is losing when it takes a ⅓ of PC industry profits.

2) Its myopic to think marketshare means more profit. Have you ever wondered why Apple and the others release a product to a specific carriers instead of just selling a product right away that will work on all carriers?
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If we want to compare platforms, we should look at developer revenues. This is what matters for the platform. In this case, Android is being annihilated...

I'm not sure we DO know that. I haven't seen any recent figures on developer revenues between the two app markets. Things change so fast in mobile that we can't use 3-6 month old data and assume it's still true.
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Nokia once had 65% profit. Now they don't. The loss of marketshare eventually loses profit. Not that Apple is losing market share yet. the supply chain is an issue, however Nokia could dominate the market as one company, Apple need to get that in order.

Nokia still sells the lions share of handsets in the world, yet according to your reasoning they should have the lions share of profits. News flash: they dont.
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I'm not sure we DO know that. I haven't seen any recent figures on developer revenues between the two app markets. Things change so fast in mobile that we can't use 3-6 month old data and assume it's still true.

How about last week?

http://www.mobilityfeeds.com/mobilit...rnote-ceo.html
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Solipcism, Evernote's experiences don't tell us much about the AppStore compared to Android developer revenues. Wasn't it a month ago that the Angry Bird's guys said they made as much or more from their Android app as their iOS one?
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I cant imagine why you would use the qualifier "individual".

English is not my first language, but I'm pretty sure you already figured out I meant there is no single Android handset model that sells more units than the iPhone 4. No need to be a grammar nazi here...
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Solipcism, Evernote's experiences don't tell us much about the AppStore compared to Android developer revenues. Wasn't it a month ago that the Angry Bird's guys said they made as much or more from their Android app as their iOS one?

1) So data from last quarter doesn’t count nor does recent data from a particular company that makes an app for multiple platforms? So no matter what the App Store can never be deemed successful in your eyes because we’ll never get Apple and Google to release this data in the same place, at the same time, and with all the same metrics.

2) Rovio stated the revenues had reached parity back in March*. Revenues don’t keep the lights on, profits do. Are you really going to argue that Angry Birds for iOS is mostly costly to build than Angry Birds for all the Android handsets they service. With Android-based handset outnumbering the iPhone any parity will mean less profit per unit.

3) Here is another one from last week: http://www.insidemobileapps.com/2011...os-glu-mobile/

PS: My handle is spelled exactly like the noun.

* Who was it that just told me we can’t use any 3 month old data because things change so fast?
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1) Rovio stated the revenues had reached parity back in March*. Revenues don’t keep the lights on, profits do. Are you really going to argue that Angry Birds for iOS is mostly costly to build than Angry Birds for all the Android handsets they service. With Android-based handset outnumbering the iPhone any parity will mean less profit per unit.


* Who was it that just told me we can’t use any 3 month old data because things change so fast?

My point exactly. We can't depend on three month old data still being valid. As for revenue vs. profit, did the Angry Bird's developers make any statements on that? If not, then we'd both be guessing.

In any case I know you're not arguing that one app makes a market.
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My point exactly. We can't depend on three month old data still being valid. As for revenue vs. profit, did the Angry Bird's developers make any statements on that? If not, then we'd both be guessing.

In any case I know you're not arguing that one app makes a market.

Im not guessing because Im using a little thing called critical thinking.

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ecause Google makes its software available free to a range of phone manufacturers, there are dozens of different Android-compatible devices on the market, each with different screen sizes, memory capacities, processor speeds and graphics capabilities. An app that works beautifully on, say, a Motorola Droid might suffer from glitches on a phone made by HTC. IPhone developers, meanwhile, need to worry about only a few devices: iPhones, iPods and iPads.

When Rovio, the Finnish software development company behind the popular iPhone game Angry Birds, decided to release a version for Android, the company spent months testing the game on a variety of devices to make sure it was up to par.

Its so fragmented, said Peter Vesterbacka, a developer at the company. Its a lot more challenging than developing for one device, like the iPhone.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/te...25android.html
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Yet another article from last week
The combined revenues for the major app stores will hit $4 billion this year, representing furious growth for smartphones and Apple's winning app ecosystem formula.

The Cupertino, Calif.-based company's App Store will be responsible for about three quarters of that according to market research firm iSuppli, with Google's Android Market, Research in Motion's BlackBerry App World, and Nokia's Ovi Store dividing the rest.

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The differential in profit suggests that Apple developers are able to more effectively monetize their apps. That suggests those apps tend to be worth more to users, which would be a credit to Apple's vetting process, as opposed to Google's come-one-come-all approach.

App revenues encourage app developers to code for a given platform, so the Apple App Store's high returns suggest it will continue to hold on to strong talent. Given that smartphone platforms sink or swim on the quality of their app catalogs, these numbers affirm iOS's long-term strength despite Android's dizzying ascent.

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Google recognizes this, and recently introduced in-app purchases to help developers' make sustainable business models.

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Despite Apple's dominant position, Google is showing the fastest growth, with revenues this year projected to triple last year's take. This makes sense given Android's meteoric rise: Google's mobile platform now controls nearly half the U.S. smartphone market.

However, iSuppli estimates that Apple's App Store revenues will still comprise the majority, 60 percent, of the total market in 2014.
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/89283.html MS only needs mediocre success with Windows 7 on Nokia handsets for Marketplace to becomemore profitable than Android Market.
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Yet another article from last week
The combined revenues for the major app stores will hit $4 billion this year, representing furious growth for smartphones and Apple's winning app ecosystem formula.

The Cupertino, Calif.-based company's App Store will be responsible for about three quarters of that according to market research firm iSuppli, with Google's Android Market, Research in Motion's BlackBerry App World, and Nokia's Ovi Store dividing the rest.

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The differential in profit suggests that Apple developers are able to more effectively monetize their apps. That suggests those apps tend to be worth more to users, which would be a credit to Apple's vetting process, as opposed to Google's come-one-come-all approach.

App revenues encourage app developers to code for a given platform, so the Apple App Store's high returns suggest it will continue to hold on to strong talent. Given that smartphone platforms sink or swim on the quality of their app catalogs, these numbers affirm iOS's long-term strength despite Android's dizzying ascent.

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Google recognizes this, and recently introduced in-app purchases to help developers' make sustainable business models.

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Despite Apple's dominant position, Google is showing the fastest growth, with revenues this year projected to triple last year's take. This makes sense given Android's meteoric rise: Google's mobile platform now controls nearly half the U.S. smartphone market.

However, iSuppli estimates that Apple's App Store revenues will still comprise the majority, 60 percent, of the total market in 2014.
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/89283.html MS only needs mediocre success with Windows 7 on Nokia handsets for Marketplace to becomemore profitable than Android Market.

While I agree that Apple's been much better at monetizing apps than Android has, these figures forget two very important points when it comes to things like app purchases:

1- iOS devices (like the iPad and iPod touch) can be had without a cellular contract or data plan. This means that market groups who would not otherwise have a smartphone, might purchase these products. This is especially true with the teen/preteen market. A parent might not be willing to pay $30 a month for johnny to have a cellphone for 2 years, but they are ok with spending a similar amount of money up front to get him a cool Christmas present. This is a market that Android still has very little play in (Specifically with PMPs), and a market where apple had significant lock-in long before apps, thanks to the popularity of itunes.

2-Gift Cards. This is huge, specifically for off contract devices. Parents/friends/relatives can give someone an itunes giftcard, and they can choose what they want. For parents, this is a way to make the expensive Christmas gift last longer

I am NOT saying that these are the only reasons (or even the main reasons) why Apple is more profitable for developers. Things like Development framework, App discovery, and compatibility are huge factors, but gift cards and the ipod touch are also significant factors, enough of one that I think that even if Google (or someone else) matched Apple on the other factors, they'd still struggle to make the ecosystem as profitable.
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... I am NOT saying that these are the only reasons (or even the main reasons) why Apple is more profitable for developers. Things like Development framework, App discovery, and compatibility are huge factors, but gift cards and the ipod touch are also significant factors, enough of one that I think that even if Google (or someone else) matched Apple on the other factors, they'd still struggle to make the ecosystem as profitable.

Still trying to use smoke and mirrors to explain away the fact that Android users just don't want to pay for anything? That's the real reason, and everything else is just rhetoric.
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While I agree that Apple's been much better at monetizing apps than Android has, these figures forget two very important points when it comes to things like app purchases:

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I am NOT saying that these are the only reasons (or even the main reasons) why Apple is more profitable for developers. Things like Development framework, App discovery, and compatibility are huge factors, but gift cards and the ipod touch are also significant factors, enough of one that I think that even if Google (or someone else) matched Apple on the other factors, they'd still struggle to make the ecosystem as profitable.

All those reasons and more are why the App Store is more successful, not inspire of. Apple shouldn’t be blamed or discounted because they built a better foundation than their competitors.

If Android’s installed base can become 3-4x the size of iOS’ installed based then I think then we could see the Android Market be more profitable than the App Store. That still won’t resolve the per unit cost for developers but with a multifold difference in installed base Android devs could see a higher return rate for their effort despite the extra costs involved.

There is no reason that Android’s free and open* nature should not be able to achieve such results unless Android falters on multiple levels do to poor OS, SDK and vendor HW levels. So far they are growing well below what I’d expect from an OS usable by any and all vendors… but I hear that they will soon get it all worked out.


* Open as in open to carriers and vendors to lock and restrain customers as they see fit.
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post #79 of 156
Lame article!
You're trying too hard to spin this like it's a good news!
Lame, lame
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But apple aren't interested in marketshare or the "race to the bottom" (or so I'm told).
Are we now saying the low end of the Market matters?

The flip flopping by cheerleaders is amazing.
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