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They are planning to pay in cash?! Why not just use a check?
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They are planning to pay in cash?! Why not just use a check?

Actually Skype owners are getting paid with X Box Live points.
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This deal goes a long way in showing what a fool balmer is.


IT defies words. you can't even defend how stupid he was. It's so stupid on so many levels it is going to redefine the word ballmer as a term to convey the utmost depths of moronic waste of resources.

WTF was he thinking and why didn't anyone stop him? I mean holy fucking shit.
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I actually read what you wrote.

Again the question is, why not make it open before getting everyone's hopes up? If you don't promise anything than no one will expect it. Apple needs to do a better job with expectations as it relates to openness and standards. Making something open goes a long way in making it a standard.

I think you're confusing two things here.

Apple never said they were going to make it open source, they said it was going to be an open standard. The two are not necessarily interchangeable.

For it to become an open standard it actually has to go out of Apple's hands to a 3rd party standards board.

The fact that Apple hasn't released it yet isn't necessarily Apple's fault but the fault of the standards board that is to ratify the standard.
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Yet another example of Microsoft innovation - getting the Microsoft name and logo on an innovative product developed by someone else.

Bill Gates must be in a state of 'shock and awe' because of Steve Ballmer's inability to understand why the design and painstaking construction of a coherent hardware and software platform are essential to the success of really innovative companies like Apple.

In my opinion, what Microsoft is doing is buying companies with already successful products, like Skype, to add their already highly fragmented product portfolio, whereas Apple tends to buy companies with potentially successful technologies that can drive the development of innovative products on the Apple hardware/software platforms.
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.... is Steve Jobs drove the price up in a bidding war and then ducked out when it hit 8.5B, insuring MS over spent by 5B, laughed to himself as he was never even interested in Skype, beat his dog, went to bed and slept like a baby.
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I don’t see how you can claim FaceTime can’t ever be made open source, can’t ever become popular outside of Apple’s ecosystem, will somehow be killed on iDevices

You can't see how because I didn't say any of that. I'll quote myself...
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it's less likely that FaceTime will......become the defacto standard across all platforms in chat

FaceTime can still become an open source project that's used on other platforms and nothing at all has changed for FaceTime on Apple devices.
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Personally, I don't understand when people say that FaceTime was going to dominate chat. Sure it was cool when released and has the potential to be an open standard, expanded upon, etc.

But the four challenges are:
(1a) there's no text chat, it's purely video right now
(1b) doesn't do all the smilies and image embedding, etc that younger people seem to love
(1c) not even integrated with iChat in any way
(2) there's no audio-only calling (not that I could easily find)
(3) doesn't work over 3G
(4) one can't call mobile or landlines

.........................................

That said, this is colossal idiocy by Microsoft/Ballmer. Aside from the ridiculous price paid... Integrating Skype into Xbox, Kinect, WP7, Windows, plus remember, making Skype fully interoperable with Messenger, is a daunting task. They'll also have to spend loads on marketing by first juggling the two brands then eventually dropping one of them or merging it ("Skype Messenger"?).

What next, another few billion for WP7 on tablet and ARM? A few more billion for taking on Google in ads, search and mapping?

The only thing keeping Microsoft from falling apart at this stage is Xbox, and the fact that people still stupidly email Word and Excel documents back and forth for everything because they don't know any better. Additionally, to this date crappy looking PowerPoint is pretty much just what people know when it comes to presentations. Plus there is no real alternative to the Windows ecosystem where massive numbers of people and companies thrive on it being broken and corrupt.
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From http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110510/...icrosoft_skype

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Skype has lost money consistently since its inception in 2003, mostly because it charges only a small fraction of its users. As a standalone company, Skype lost $7 million on revenue of $860 million last year.

That did not deter Microsoft. "We are a super-ambitious company," Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said. "This Skype acquisition is entirely consistent with our irrepressible, forward-looking nature."

Even I underestimated Ballmer's lack of intelligence. This guy isn't qualified to manage a gumball machine.
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Steve Ballmer, searching for his next acquisition...
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I think you're confusing two things here.

Apple never said they were going to make it open source, they said it was going to be an open standard. The two are not necessarily interchangeable.

For it to become an open standard it actually has to go out of Apple's hands to a 3rd party standards board.

The fact that Apple hasn't released it yet isn't necessarily Apple's fault but the fault of the standards board that is to ratify the standard.

I got that hence my last sentence that being open goes a long way in making it a standard.
post #133 of 175
I wonder how many of the 8.8 million paying skype users will cancel their subscriptions with this news lol
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Well if it helps M$ sink faster so Apple can come in and buy them out and have the pleasure of firing everyone but the MacBU then I'll all for it!

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This deal goes a long way in showing what a fool balmer is.


IT defies words. you can't even defend how stupid he was. It's so stupid on so many levels it is going to redefine the word ballmer as a term to convey the utmost depths of moronic waste of resources.

WTF was he thinking and why didn't anyone stop him? I mean holy fucking shit.
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Well if it helps M$ sink faster so Apple can come in and buy them out and have the pleasure of firing everyone but the MacBU then I'll all for it!

but when the 8.5 was just a rumor in the other thread people tried to frame it like it was a proper valuation based on getting skype subscribers. HAHA..

what kind of brain drain do you need to fall susceptible to just to think that was the value of skype users? it's not monopoly money.

All this does is help wipe out MSFT cash holdings with zero ROI. I'll venture to say they will never make anywhere near a small percentage of 8.5B for the duration of MSFTs existence. Mark my words, one day in the future this will be one of the main reasons for ballmer's fall if not MSFTs fall.
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I think the author has an interesting definition of "great success". Certainly different than mine.



I suspect Apple is dragging it's feet on pushing Facetime outside of it's own platform because there are some upcoming changes...like folding it into the iCloud services (along with MobileMe syncing, Ping, iDisk, etc). I don't see Facebook using FaceTime, which as I understand it still requires Apple's servers to make the connections. The "open standard" Apple was promising was only for the client software. I think it's unlikely that Facebook would use someone else's service like that. They make something home grown, first.

And why would Apple work with Facebook when they likely have bigger plans. Like REPLACING Facebook. They have many of the pieces of Skype, Facebook, and Google, so can they integrate them all together?

AGREED
Also Apple doesn't have a 8 billion expense to justify when trying to suck profit from a company that does not make money .

8,000,000,000,000.>> trillion dimes looks look this
80,000,000,000,000.00 >>> 80 trillion pennies looks like this .
Skype if they charge a dime for a call has to sell a lot of calls to break even .
OR are they selling advertising ??


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I I suspect Apple is dragging it's feet on pushing Facetime outside of it's own platform because there are some upcoming changes...like folding it into the iCloud services (along with MobileMe syncing, Ping, iDisk, etc).

That seems quite possible with as long as weve heard about this data center and what we know about how FaceTime works. We cant rule out Apple submitting FaceTime just to get back a bunch of negative feedback as to why it wont work as designed.

How do you make it secure if you have all FaceTime-compatible devices opening making direct connections to other devices that have to keep their location data updated on a server. You cant have all that be sent to any and all servers that want to create a FaceTime backend because its open. Youd have to end up with a separate secure network (I.e.: Apples own devices only) or create a network that all your devices talk to and then let other major companies create their own which then connect to their devices (I.e.: telcos).

I dont subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Jobs was simply on stage lying when it does no good to keep video conferencing as fractured as its been since its inception. At least with FaceTime the codecs, containers and network protocols are all well known and either open or freely licensable. Cant say that about Skypes proprietary protocols.


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AGREED
Also Apple doesn't have a 8 billion expense to justify when trying to suck profit from a company that does not make money.

Thats a huge expense for what I consider a minor puzzle piece. I look forward to hearing how MS spins it in their next earnings call, as well as to reading articles about this will be a financially beneficial in the long term.
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You can't see how because I didn't say any of that. I'll quote myself...

FaceTime can still become an open source project that's used on other platforms and nothing at all has changed for FaceTime on Apple devices.

And Im saying that likelihood hasnt been altered nor that Skype is now a FaceTime killer simply because it jumped from one rubber less vessel to another.
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Unless Facetime is ported to Android too, it will never have a chance of becoming a "standard". You really think Apple will do that?

I don't think SJ is interested in making FaceTime a 'standard'. He wants the best communication experience on the iPad/iPhone/Mac and this is FaceTime. Simply being on the world's top selling mobile devices and future AirMacs + desktops will make it the de facto standard by default.
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AGREED
Also Apple doesn't have a 8 billion expense to justify when trying to suck profit from a company that does not make money .

er, if from what i have read, skype has aprox 5% users paying, with what 860 million $ made-- losing 7 million overall... (aprox 10% of install base = 86 million dollars made) you only need an install base increase of... 1%! to get more than 7 million dollars (8.6 million)

I have no doubt that is possible.

ofc the whole 8.5 billion dollars.... WTF..... this part isn't worth it.

Also to note the whole Skype killing Facetime...

no one ever (on this forums at least, i don't use others) had a topic that i REMEMBER that disussed Skype that much.....

once i personally think about it, Facetime, as it currently is cannot compete with Skype...
no chat
no voice to voice
etc (other people have longer lists)

Also i feel that even a release now, wouldn't go anywhere (ever with most of the lacking areas solved, which wouldn't make sense (As i see it) based off its design of Video) due to limited things you can call... like not "regular" phones.....

I can see this personally: i have an iphone 4 (and an itouch, 4G) both of them are used a lot, but i have never found a use for Facetime.... i can't just lay down and chat Voice to Voice, or use one hand to send messages (im) when i am busy doing something else.

Facetime is GREAT for video, but in order to compete with Skype (I believe it should focus PURELY on video, eventually adding in multi person video that costs $) it would need an overhaul.

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This probably bodes ill for Facetime.

Skype will likely be the standard now with availability across several platforms and devices. With Facetime still restricted to only iOS devices, it really will be of limited use to those trying to stay in touch with extended family and friends often using non-Apple devices.

I have no idea why Apple never bothered following thru with making Facetime an open standard as promised, but with MS purchase of Skype I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple let it quietly vanish.

Wow. Seriously?
Skype is already on multiple platforms, what do you think the Microsoft buyout is going to change? C'mon people: if anything, Microsoft will screw this up. Remember Danger, Inc and their at-one-time awesome Sidekick phone? What did Microsoft do with the company and its brand? Release a Microsoft-branded Sidekick that kicked the fear of Steve Ballmer into competitors? Or did they f*** that acquisition up COMPLETELY?

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Steve Ballmer, searching for his next acquisition...

"Skype is the future of Microsoft. We call it VRC. Virtual Reality Cybersex. Right now, in my virtual reality space, I'm squeezing the breasts of a Ukrainian model in Kiev. 3-D glasses provide the visual effect, and these diodes attached to my hands provide tactile stimulation. And it's all possible thanks to Skype. We'll make billions."
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Wow. Seriously?
Skype is already on multiple platforms, what do you think the Microsoft buyout is going to change?

The two easy ones are the addition of 300+ million active users to the Skype userbase and financial backing.

Without continued investment their service would have turned to crap, leaving the market open for something like FaceTime.

Unless Microsoft totally stuff this up I don't see that happening anymore.
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they'll do what they ALWAYS do...they'll maker it a buggy, useless POS for Mac users, if they even bring one out for us. They'll probably leave it as it is, and jut upgrade us out of the picture.

Like that POS Mac MS Office (the largest selling software for the Mac)? Same can't be said the other way around (iTunes or Quicktime for Windows? Now that's awful).

I find it funny that everyone is making out as if Microsoft will shut Skype down for all other devices, when Microsoft is probably one of the largest software providers for different platforms out there. They have recently shown strong support for iOS devices with a number of really excellent apps, as well as almost every other platform. Again, same can't be said for Apple. How long do you think it'll be before Apple releases some software for Windows Phone 7 or Android? Simply on the principle of the matter they wouldn't do it. I'm for one glad Microsoft bought them rather than Google or Apple, and the employees probably are too.
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"Skype is the future of Microsoft. We call it VRC. Virtual Reality Cybersex. Right now, in my virtual reality space, I'm squeezing the breasts of a Ukrainian model in Kiev. 3-D glasses provide the visual effect, and these diodes attached to my hands provide tactile stimulation. And it's all possible thanks to Skype. We'll make billions."

Those diodes attach elsewhere too.
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Like that POS Mac MS Office (the largest selling software for the Mac)? Same can't be said the other way around (iTunes or Quicktime for Windows? Now that's awful).

I find it funny that everyone is making out as if Microsoft will shut Skype down for all other devices, when Microsoft is probably one of the largest software providers for different platforms out there. They have recently shown strong support for iOS devices with a number of really excellent apps, as well as almost every other platform. Again, same can't be said for Apple. How long do you think it'll be before Apple releases some software for Windows Phone 7 or Android? Simply on the principle of the matter they wouldn't do it. I'm for one glad Microsoft bought them rather than Google or Apple, and the employees probably are too.

Top selling does not mean automatically mean it's good. Office 2008 was no beauty queen. As for Messenger on Mac, do you realise how long it took to even get a version that supported video chat?
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The two easy ones are the addition of 300+ million active users to the Skype userbase and financial backing.

Without continued investment their service would have turned to crap, leaving the market open for something like FaceTime.

Unless Microsoft totally stuff this up I don't see that happening anymore.

Addition of 300+ million active users?? So nobody who was using MS products was using Skype before this?!! Okay... if you say so. ... and this deal will guarantee that everyone who uses MS products will now use Skype?! Hmmmmmm....

I'd also like to know how you came to assume that Skype's service would have turned to crap even as they were growing their user base.

Microsoft fucking up Skype? No... that'll never happen...
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er, if from what i have read, skype has aprox 5% users paying, with what 860 million $ made-- losing 7 million overall... (aprox 10% of install base = 86 million dollars made) you only need an install base increase of... 1%! to get more than 7 million dollars (8.6 million)

I have no doubt that is possible.

ofc the whole 8.5 billion dollars.... WTF..... this part isn't worth it.

Also to note the whole Skype killing Facetime...

no one ever (on this forums at least, i don't use others) had a topic that i REMEMBER that disussed Skype that much.....

once i personally think about it, Facetime, as it currently is cannot compete with Skype...
no chat
no voice to voice
etc (other people have longer lists)

Also i feel that even a release now, wouldn't go anywhere (ever with most of the lacking areas solved, which wouldn't make sense (As i see it) based off its design of Video) due to limited things you can call... like not "regular" phones.....

I can see this personally: i have an iphone 4 (and an itouch, 4G) both of them are used a lot, but i have never found a use for Facetime.... i can't just lay down and chat Voice to Voice, or use one hand to send messages (im) when i am busy doing something else.

Facetime is GREAT for video, but in order to compete with Skype (I believe it should focus PURELY on video, eventually adding in multi person video that costs $) it would need an overhaul.

Since apple has world wide agreements with dozens of tele phone carriers i think that facetime was crippled by apple on purpose .

But Apples ios will reach 300 million users soon >> so APPLE has a bulit in client base to offer free phone service of you buy an apple device .


IF APPLE WANTS TO COMPETE WITH SKYPE .

I feel Skype hurts google far more than Apple .

Anyway MSFT over paid by 6 billion.



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The two easy ones are the addition of 300+ million active users to the Skype userbase and financial backing.

Without continued investment their service would have turned to crap, leaving the market open for something like FaceTime.

Unless Microsoft totally stuff this up I don't see that happening anymore.

What do you mean by the addition of 300+ million active users? Are you talking about PC users? So you're saying that Skype wasn't available to PC users before? Wow, I guess you think there are 300+ million zombies who will do use whatever technology Microsoft slaps their brand on? I guess that means PlaysForSure will totally decimate the iTunes/iPod solution...any day now.

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What do you mean by the addition of 300+ million active users? Are you talking about PC users? So you're saying that Skype wasn't available to PC users before? Wow, I guess you think there are 300+ million zombies who will do use whatever technology Microsoft slaps their brand on? I guess that means PlaysForSure will totally decimate the iTunes/iPod solution...any day now.

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Addition of 300+ million active users?? So nobody who was using MS products was using Skype before this?!! Okay... if you say so. ... and this deal will guarantee that everyone who uses MS products will now use Skype?!

You guys both need to relax a little!

300 million is the number of active Messenger users (it's actually more than that... 330m maybe).

I'm not sure what the total number of Windows users is. It has got to be close to a billion though.
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You guys both need to relax a little!

300 million is the number of active Messenger users (it's actually more than that... 330m maybe).

I'm not sure what the total number of Windows users is. It has got to be close to a billion though.

1) You are the one that stated addition of. Maybe that’s not what you meant, but that is what you wrote.

2) Most of the world’s population don’t own a PC. Figure that MS sold 200M or so copies of Windows 7 (MS’ fastest selling OS) for corporate and consumer use. Then figure most people who use a PC at work and at home aren’t using the same Windows license. That will cut down your user base compared to looking at licensing numbers numbers alone. But those aren’t installed base, just sales. You can’t include every single Windows license ever sold because most of them aren’t in use any longer. That leaves me with an estimate closer to 500-600 million users with an average life cycle of 3 years. So… where do you get there are 1 billion active Windows PC users?
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You guys both need to relax a little!

300 million is the number of active Messenger users (it's actually more than that... 330m maybe).

I'm not sure what the total number of Windows users is. It has got to be close to a billion though.

You state stupid shit.

We respond.

Simple.
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So where do you get there are 1 billion active Windows PC users?

You're asking a guy who just makes shit up all the time...
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You're asking a guy who just makes shit up all the time...

Ballmar made an unqualified comment about an installed base of 1 billion copies of Windows back in 2007. That estimate could have included embedded versions of Windows but it certainly didnt mean unique Windows users, even though that is what the story quickly morphed into among the less scrupulous and/or intelligent media outlets.
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Ballmar made an unqualified comment about an installed base of 1 billion copies of Windows back in 2007. That estimate could have included embedded versions of Windows but it certainly didnt mean unique Windows users, even though that is what the story quickly morphed into among the less scrupulous and/or intelligent media outlets.

Firefly makes shit up about Windows installed user base.

Ballmer makes shit up about Windows installed user base.

Therefore: Firefly must be Ballmer.
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Just because a few may think something isn't true doesn't mean it isn't.\

Sources I can find would indicate Firefly might even be a bit low in his 1Billion windows users estimate. With Windows supposedly the OS for upwards of 80% of all computers in use. . .

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=703807

It would not surprise me if Solipsism may have found the exact same source earlier. He's pretty good with research.
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Just because a few may think something isn't true doesn't mean it isn't.\

Sources I can find would indicate Firefly might even be a bit low in his 1Billion windows users estimate. With Windows supposedly the OS for upwards of 80% of all computers in use. . .

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=703807

It would not surprise me if Solipsism may have found the exact same source earlier. He's pretty good with research.

*sigh* installed base ≠ unique user base.

Example: I own an iPad and an iPhone. That adds 2 to the installed base for iOS but only adds 1 to the user base of iOS.

This shouldnt have to be explained repeatedly!
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Just because a few may think something isn't true doesn't mean it isn't.\

Sources I can find would indicate Firefly might even be a bit low in his 1Billion windows users estimate. With Windows supposedly the OS for upwards of 80% of all computers in use. . .

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=703807

It would not surprise me if Solipsism may have found the exact same source earlier. He's pretty good with research.

Just because a few may think something is true doesn't mean it is.

How many of those billion are Macs.... and, please, don't say under 10%... think about it and then do some more research.

[on edit - this data is almost 3 years old... in other words... just around the time that pc's started to decrease in numbers shipped and right around the time that Macs started to really rise in numbers shipped. ... and, besides, I just like making fun of Firefly because of the nonsense arguments he/she brings to the forum ]
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Since neither you nor Solipsism have any notion as to how many computer devices are owned by each unique individual it's a stretch to claim as fact that there could not possibly be one billion windows users. There's obviously sources that indicate there may be.

Of course you could "just make stuff" up to dispute that.

Not trying to start any disagreement, but some posters here would do better to say "I didn't know that" or "news to me" than try to find way to support an off-the-cuff remark that doesn't have sources to support it.

We all do better when we find out things we didn't know thru posts from our fellow forum members.
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