Originally Posted by Frank777
Originally Posted by tonton
I have no problem looking at not only pictures but videos of a first trimester fetus, and aborting that if that's what are the needs of the *very much alive* mother. The first trimester fetus is not a viable life in the view of science.
This is exactly what I'm talking about when I mention science. Thanks for proving my point.
Nice red herring though.
Yes, this shows your demented view that science is merely to be used as a prop for your own biases.
You know fully well that medical science has continually expanded on our knowledge and ability to preserve lives at earlier and earlier stages of pregnancy.
What you used to call "not viable" is now definitely viable. And you pretend that the left only advocates for such "first trimester abortions", when the reality is your side advocates for abortion without restriction, which is what we have now in Canada.
Your Abortion President, as previously noted, even advocates for terminating children who escape the abortionist in the womb.
Tell the truth Tonton. If we were able to make first trimester babies viable outside the womb tomorrow, would you then join the call for a ban on abortion?
Ask me again when the science catches up with your mouth. Maybe we'll talk about things like adoption and expansion of the fostering program. Fact is, you care nothing about the welfare of the mother and an unwanted child. You don't learn your values from the heart, where one might care about those things with compassion. You don't even learn your values from the Bible, which recognizes life as the "first breath". You get your values from the pulpit and from what someone else tells you. Try using your own heart and your own brain to solve problems. Not the word of the Church, a word that is not even mentioned in your beloved book.
Originally Posted by tonton
If the so-called "pro-life" crowd were really interested in reducing abortions, they would insist on early and complete sex education, and easy access to multiple methods of birth control. That's what science tells us works best.
Nonsense. Teaching kids that sex is just another form of personal entertainment is a liberal dream, but it's always going to be a lie.
No. The lie is that that's what we're advocating to be taught. That's the lie. How ironic for you to call me a liar, in the same statement where you lie so heinously. Or are you really that stupid to believe that's what we really are advocating?
From your linked story:
"However, the high rates of STD infections has been falling slightly over the last year and a half - a trend that Schwarz attributes to the four million free condoms that the city has given away through health officials and school nurses over that time period."
STDs are not getting more dangerous. Thats another lie, unless you mean they are getting more dangerous because red states are refusing to teach how to avoid them and how to recognize them and how to treat them. Tell me... Are teen pregnancy and STDs more of a problem in red states or in blue states? Are they a problem in the most liberal nations like the Netherlands?
Who is more likely to get pregnant as a teen... an outspoken conservative governor's daughter who has been taught abstinence all her life, or... Someone like Feinstein's daughters?
Doubling down on failed liberal social policies isn't going to change that.
doubling down on conservative stupidity and ignorance will make things much, much worse.Edited by tonton - 1/27/13 at 1:04am