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A new report claims that the fifth-generation iPhone will be a relatively minor update dubbed "4S" that will bring support for both Sprint and T-Mobile networks in the U.S.

The details come from a research note from Jeffries & Co. analyst Peter Misek, first reported on by Forbes. In the note, Misek asserts that the next iPhone will not support the next-generation 4G long-term evolution networks that offer higher speeds than the current 3G wireless technology.

Citing industry checks, he said the fifth-generation iPhone will arrive in September with "minor cosmetic changes, better cameras, A5 dual-core processor, and HSPA+ support." New carriers are expected to include Sprint, T-Mobile, and China Mobile.

Apple reportedly hoped to have LTE chips ready for its next iPhone, but the performance of current products is said to not meet Apple's standards. Instead, the company will rely on its backup plan phone, dubbed the "iPhone 4S."

Reports began to surface in March that Apple would not meet the usual June launch timeframe for this year's iPhone upgrade. Instead, the device is expected to debut during Apple's next fiscal year, which begins in late September.

Various reports and alleged prototypes have shown devices with a larger screen, utilizing a new edge-to-edge display that would keep the hardware itself the same size. And in April, a Verizon executive suggested that Apple's next iPhone would be a world phone capable of connecting to both GSM and CDMA wireless networks.

Friday's report echoes many details stated in April by Reuters, which claimed that the next iPhone would arrive in September and would boast a faster processor while looking "largely similar to the iPhone 4." Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo also told AppleInsider that the next-generation iPhone would go into mass production in September, would sport the same A5 processor found in the iPad 2, and would have an upgraded 8-megapixel rear camera.
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I wonder if there is any chance at all this would happen in July?

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post #3 of 118
Will this be in lieu of a proper iPhone 5, or will it replace the iPhone 4 when the 5 is released? Hmm...

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Good, I can finally skip an upgrade. The bigger news will probably be at WWDC (3 weeks away).
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There's no way Apple would break with their update cycle and replace a one year old complete refresh... New models come every other model at the very most. A larger screen and form-factor update seems more important/relevant than an even better camera a slight speed upgrade for an already lightning fast model... I feel the aesthetics are farther behind the times than the hardware, but Apple will of course release a 4S and give us the modern iPhone in 2012.
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Will this be in lieu of a proper iPhone 5, or will it replace the iPhone 4 when the 5 is released? Hmm...

Sounds like it will be to iPhone 4 what iPhone 3GS was to iPhone 3G.

I would assume it will be incremental, and iPhone 5 will be next year and "revolutionary" or "magical", or whatever Jobs word of the day is!
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Just another rumor with no substantiation. If Apple only puts a faster processor in the next IPhone they would be really shooting themselves in the foot!
I would think that Apple would have to at the very least include a bigger screen if not many people will NOT upgrade. Hopefully Apple realizes this
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Apple could be simply getting people out of the mindset that every June/July is when a new iPhone is coming out. Instead we've have seen a Verizon iPhone earlier this year and then a white iPhone just a few weeks ago.

I'm thinking more frequent updates (major and minor) will be the norm. The iPhone 4S this fall with minor tweaks and an LTE version when time permits.

Apple certainly is not following a yearly upgrade with the iPad. They are trying to get the iPad refreshes out as soon as possible. Both markets are heavily contested so they need to crank out features that keep them ahead of the pack.
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Good, I can finally skip an upgrade. The bigger news will probably be at WWDC (3 weeks away).

I was thinking this might be the first year I upgrade immediately from the previous year. HSPA+, A5 and AWS support are all pretty compelling for me on their own, so all three together make this attractive. But, I am looking at it as a Canadian, where HSPA+ is common and AWS would allow me to move to the new carriers that are far cheaper but are AWS.

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Wouldn't it be great if it went to Sprint and Sprint offered a $79 unlimited plan? I would switch sell my ATT iP4 and pay the early disconnect fee in a heartbeat! This $120/mo to ATT is killing me!
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Just another rumor with no substantiation. If Apple only puts a faster processor in the next IPhone they would be really shooting themselves in the foot!
I would think that Apple would have to at the very least include a bigger screen if not many people will NOT upgrade. Hopefully Apple realizes this

Apple realizes that most people are on 2 year contracts. The 4S will be a big enough improvement over the 4 to grab most 3GS owners and attract new customers. Based on recent history I'd pick Apple's strategy over that of anyone else.
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Will this be in lieu of a proper iPhone 5, or will it replace the iPhone 4 when the 5 is released? Hmm...

There is no such thing as a "proper" iPhone 5.

Remember, the iPhone 4 is the only phone they've released to date where the number matches the phone generation. The 5th gen iPhone will be whatever they release next.

Whether it's called "iPhone 4s" or "iPhone 6 XP special edition" is irrelevant.
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Apple certainly is not following a yearly upgrade with the iPad. They are trying to get the iPad refreshes out as soon as possible. Both markets are heavily contested so they need to crank out features that keep them ahead of the pack.

Yes, certainly not.

Except for the first and second models. The only two points in the data set.

Certainly not an annual cycle, that is very clear.

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Good, I can finally skip an upgrade. The bigger news will probably be at WWDC (3 weeks away).

Exactly. I am hoping that the software iOS 5 is compelling enough to satisfy me and I can skip the minor upgrade and just get the LTE iPhone next year.
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More iPhones on more carriers would be a major boost.

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Wouldn't it be great if it went to Sprint and Sprint offered a $79 unlimited plan? I would switch sell my ATT iP4 and pay the early disconnect fee in a heartbeat! This $120/mo to ATT is killing me!

This would work for me too only if its a world phone. That way when you can use it internationally. And I wish you could use data roaming in the usa without paying extra.
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Just another rumor with no substantiation. If Apple only puts a faster processor in the next IPhone they would be really shooting themselves in the foot!
I would think that Apple would have to at the very least include a bigger screen if not many people will NOT upgrade. Hopefully Apple realizes this

"This is just another post with no substantiation but if the next phone doesn't conform to what I personally desire it will be a disaster! Most people would realise that including a bigger screen is not a universal want. Hopefully Apple doesn't realise this though because that's what *I* want."

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And I wish you could use data roaming in the usa without paying extra.

What's that?
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I have just one feature request for the iPhone 4S: a real camera flash. The current white LED is a miserable flash resulting in miserable photos at night. With a real flash on an iphone I could finally get rid of my dedicated digital camera.

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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

Apple could be simply getting people out of the mindset that every June/July is when a new iPhone is coming out. Instead we've have seen a Verizon iPhone earlier this year and then a white iPhone just a few weeks ago.

I'm thinking more frequent updates (major and minor) will be the norm. The iPhone 4S this fall with minor tweaks and an LTE version when time permits.

Apple certainly is not following a yearly upgrade with the iPad. They are trying to get the iPad refreshes out as soon as possible. Both markets are heavily contested so they need to crank out features that keep them ahead of the pack.

I think they need new models. The other part of this report was that sales were flat sequentially - unless there is a bump with iOS 5, then sales would be flat through to the September release. Normally this quarter, while traditionally flat, is followed by a new model in the next Q, garnering a bump in sales. Not this year. Apple is set for two consecutive falls in market share, possibly quite steep.
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I was thinking this might be the first year I upgrade immediately from the previous year. HSPA+, A5 and AWS support are all pretty compelling for me on their own, so all three together make this attractive. But, I am looking at it as a Canadian, where HSPA+ is common and AWS would allow me to move to the new carriers that are far cheaper but are AWS.

I agree. I've upgraded every year so far, but the only compelling feature for me here is AWS and only then if the new carriers offer a more compelling value proposition.

I think if you look at it from Apple's point of view though an "iPhone 4s" for the fifth generation phone makes sense. So far, the only limit on sales has been production and supply. There doesn't seem to me to be a good reason why they have to worry about what the market wants or whether they would sell more with this that or the other wiz-bang feature like bigger screens etc. People line up for whatever they release and pay a premium to get it.

If you look at it from the design/manufacturing/product perspective:

iPhone 1 ("iPhone") - "just get it out the door" (beta hardware)
iPhone 2 ("iPhone 3G") - "make it mass produceable" (1.0 hardware)
iPhone 3 ("iPhone 3Gs") - "faster, stronger, finalise the internals" (2.0 hardware)
iPhone 4 ("iPhone 4") - "reference design" (final 3.0 hardware)

Now they have the iPhone 4 design, I wouldn't be surprised if they stick with it for several iterations. It's certainly typical for any product to take two or three tries to get it right and then more or less stay that way for a long time after. There is nothing "wrong" with the iPhone design at this point and nothing missing. They aren't lacking anything they need to add and don't have anything broken they need to fix on the basic design.

It makes complete sense to me that iPhone 5 might be just "iPhone 4s" and merely add the last two missing radio bands (world phone) and some speed. I wouldn't be surprised if iPhone 6 was similarly "iPhone 4s LTE" and was a similarly incremental upgrade. The game here is producing a single product that can spread out across the world in any market and compete head to head with any other phone, not adding whatever gee-gaw and doo-dad the other guys add.
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I have just one feature request for the iPhone 4S: a real camera flash. The current white LED is a miserable flash resulting in miserable photos at night. With a real flash on an iphone I could finally get rid of my dedicated digital camera.

I second that. I'd also like an 18-200 mm vibration reduction lens on it, so I could get rid of MY digital camera. I don't see why Apple keeps holding out on us.
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I think if you look at it from Apple's point of view though an "iPhone 4s" for the fifth generation phone makes sense. So far, the only limit on sales has been production and supply. There doesn't seem to me to be a good reason why they have to worry about what the market wants or whether they would sell more with this that or the other wiz-bang feature like bigger screens etc. People line up for whatever they release and pay a premium to get it.

I think you're misunderstanding how consumer choice works. Really screwing up why people buy iPhones. I mean really... is that what you did for the 4 iPhones you bought? Ignored the details of what you were buying and bought just because Apple was selling it?
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iOS is old and outdated, its all about Android.

Android Rules.
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I don't believe any report that claims it's called the "iPhone 4S." There have been four iPhones, the original, the 3G, the 3GS and the iPhone 4. The next one is either the iPhone 5 or something else entirely. It won't have a "4" in it. That's stupid.
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Apple realizes that most people are on 2 year contracts. The 4S will be a big enough improvement over the 4 to grab most 3GS owners and attract new customers. Based on recent history I'd pick Apple's strategy over that of anyone else.

I agree. It will be interesting to see what the new phone really ends up like but all of this seems doable. I have upgraded every time so I probably will this time as well. I did wait for the iPad2 however.
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iOS is old and outdated, its all about Android.

Android Rules.

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There is no such thing as a "proper" iPhone 5.

Remember, the iPhone 4 is the only phone they've released to date where the number matches the phone generation.

And the next one will probably continue that "trend".

The second iPhone was called 3G because it supported 3G, so they couldn't name the third iPhone the iPhone 3 since that sounds older than 3G.

I believe that they will call them iPhone 5, 6, 7 and so on - still with nothing more than iPhone printed on the phone itself, just as a MacBook is a MacBook.
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post #29 of 118
4G chips are probably too power hungry for a fixed-battery phone.

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Sounds like it will be to iPhone 4 what iPhone 3GS was to iPhone 3G.

I would assume it will be incremental, and iPhone 5 will be next year and "revolutionary" or "magical", or whatever Jobs word of the day is!

Jobs won't be around in a year. I will probably wait for the iPhone 5, nonetheless.
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I think you're misunderstanding how consumer choice works. Really screwing up why people buy iPhones. I mean really... is that what you did for the 4 iPhones you bought? Ignored the details of what you were buying and bought just because Apple was selling it?

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here. I just stated the obvious fact that the phones are selling like crazy and that the only limiting factor on the sales so far is availability and production issues.

These are facts. I stated them.

Personally, I make rational choices when I buy something, but if you know anything about consumer behaviour you should know that by far the majority of people actually don't do that. Your (wry) remark about the way I might pick a phone is actually a pretty accurate description of how most consumers really shop.

People do in fact generally just buy what they think is "cool" or what everyone else is buying, or what the advertisers are pushing, and don't actually sit down and rationally work out what they need and then go looking for a product to match. Most people don't even comparison shop. This has all been known for years. You've obviously never worked in advertising or sales.
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The fact that Apple is making only incremental hardware enhancements reflects the fact that the platform is maturing, and this is not a bad thing. In fact, it would be counterproductive to change the technical specifications just to keep up with fashion, as it would add to hardware costs, and create needless work for the developer community, e.g. to adapt their apps to new display dimensions.

The real value from this point forward will come from software, and Apple is preparing to knock the ball out of the park in that area, with powerful voice control and voice-to-text features, cloud services seamlessly integrated, and new IOS apps on par with the amazing iMovie, GarageBand, and iWork apps they have already released.

When 4G networks are truly deployed, Apple will be there with the hardware to support them. Until then, their focus is in exactly the right place: IMPROVING USER EXPERIENCE, while making only those hardware changes that really matter, such as increasing processor speed and battery life.
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Unless you don't want to be locked into the contract, I don't know why you wouldn't update. You will be able to sell your current phone for more then you will have to pay for the update. Even going from the 3G to 3GS (where the body remained the same), the better camera and processor made it worthwhile.

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Good, I can finally skip an upgrade. The bigger news will probably be at WWDC (3 weeks away).
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Right iPhone 4S.............mmmmummmmmmummmm

Dont think they'll call it that, but may go with the specs married with something new to give it some weight, why i say this is iOS 5 is on the horizon, it be bad marketing for a new phone with the number 4 with software stating 5 at the same time, i think we will see the iPhone 5 guys with iOS 5 too.....

For release date Apple big on Jan/Apr/July/Oct for big launches, so i think July is when the phone be made public, but there might be a delayed launch date, as they have done this before, which could be the following 2 months in Aug/Sep

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Apple has GOT to make the next iPhone a world phone. This would be the single best reason to upgrade imho. Anything less would be a disappointment.
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iOS is old and outdated, its all about Android.

Android Rules the cheap market.

Fixed that for you.

OTH, I'll upgrade my 3GS with whatever coming next. If next year's radical enough I'll upgrade that one too otherwise 5S methink.
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iOS is old and outdated, its all about Android.

More accurately, virtually every Android device in consumers' hands is running an outdated version of the OS. As for iOS devices, most are running the latest major point release if not the very latest version.
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Will the Sprint phone support both voice & data at the same time?

Just wondering....

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A5 SoC/PoP, HSPA+ with higher HSUPA, and RFID in the same package would be enough for me to want to upgrade early.
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Will the Sprint phone support both voice & data at the same time?

Just wondering....

-IQ78

Nope, same boat as Verizon. SInce Sprints 4G is WiMAX instead of LTE its even possible that Verizon will get simultaneous voice and data before Sprint.
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