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post #201 of 219
I think the biggest problem facing the decriminalization today is the ease of transport. Think of it. When transportation wasn't so cheap, and it took longer for stuff to get anywhere, any smoking was done around the place it was grown.

Now with transportation costs way down, it is easier for bales of leaves to be sent anywhere.

If Canada did decriminalize it, and America didn't, they would say we were feeding their habit. If America decriminalized it, Canada would follow suit. Mexico would probably also want in on the sale of products (I am surprised South America countries don't grow it for product export already)

To decriminalize it, there would have to be set rules and regulations on the export of unprocessed or processed hemp across Nafta. I kinda like Amsterdam's considerations, where its legal to buy it, it's legal to carry it and, if you are the proprietor of a hash bar, it's legal to sell it. But the amounts beyond which it should be a controlled substance (with special licences for carriers and quality) would have to be determined.

I mean lets face it. You cannot legalize Hemp growing for the benefits of the plant without realiizing it will be sold and smoked as a social drug. To try and do one without the other would be naive and rather foolish.
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[quote]Originally posted by nosey:
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I mean lets face it. You cannot legalize Hemp growing for the benefits of the plant without realiizing it will be sold and smoked as a social drug. To try and do one without the other would be naive and rather foolish.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Realistically, making ANY of it illegal is futile.
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post #203 of 219
[quote]Originally posted by nosey:
<strong>If Canada did decriminalize it, and America didn't, they would say we were feeding their habit. If America decriminalized it, Canada would follow suit. Mexico would probably also want in on the sale of products (I am surprised South America countries don't grow it for product export already)

To decriminalize it, there would have to be set rules and regulations on the export of unprocessed or processed hemp across Nafta. I kinda like Amsterdam's considerations, where its legal to buy it, it's legal to carry it and, if you are the proprietor of a hash bar, it's legal to sell it. But the amounts beyond which it should be a controlled substance (with special licences for carriers and quality) would have to be determined.

I mean lets face it. You cannot legalize Hemp growing for the benefits of the plant without realiizing it will be sold and smoked as a social drug. To try and do one without the other would be naive and rather foolish.</strong><hr></blockquote>

gotta love q.t. movie quotes.

currently i think theres a disincentive for s. america to sell, unless they can produce some hi-quality shit. prices for schwag can get pretty low, and the cost and danger of dealing with long-distance travel, probably keep so'merica away. mexican stuff is known to be some of the worst shit around, and is some of the least expensive.

also, canada is taking steps to decriminalize it, and america is pre-emptively warning them about trade issues and such. according to some news reports that i've read, when canada does decrim [supposedly steps are being taken and it seems like a definite go-ahead], american borders are gonna be tighter, even more so than post911. america hopes this threat will scare canada into delaying decrim or keeping it crim.
post #204 of 219
I would be somewhat interested to know what ShawnPatrickJoyce's position is on homosexuals, foreigners (illegal and otherwise), and Jews. Could be very interesting... I suspect that some of it has already been exposed on FC in other topics.

The future world depicted in "Demolition Man" comes to mind. Very scary to see that some people actually do think that way.
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post #205 of 219
[quote]Originally posted by Randycat99:
<strong>I would be somewhat interested to know what ShawnPatrickJoyce's position is on homosexuals, foreigners (illegal and otherwise), and Jews. Could be very interesting... I suspect that some of it has already been exposed on FC in other topics.

The future world depicted in "Demolition Man" comes to mind. Very scary to see that some people actually do think that way.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Homosexuals: Full legal rights.
Foreigners: I'm no nativist. I'm 3rd generation Irish-Italian "New Immigrant" progeny. Let them all in.
"Jews?": I don't see how this is an issue. The Holocaust happened. Those Swiss Banks should give them back what the Nazi's took.
post #206 of 219
[quote] gotta love q.t. movie quotes.<hr></blockquote>

I was hoping noone would notice...
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post #207 of 219
Actually when I said 'product export' I meant products made with hemp. In any country, you make more money when you sell the products made with your natural (grown or mined) resources. Sell pants, not schwag. Promote the finished products, not the stuff used to make it. Besides, you employ more people locally if you do this.

[quote] currently i think theres a disincentive for s. america to sell, unless they can produce some hi-quality shit. prices for schwag can get pretty low, and the cost and danger of dealing with long-distance travel, probably keep so'merica away. mexican stuff is known to be some of the worst shit around, and is some of the least expensive. <hr></blockquote>
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post #208 of 219
I believe Canada is currently more interested in providing a safer way for terminally ill patients to get marijuana for medicinal purposes, even to the government growing it in an abandoned mine in manitoba.

They have also begun to make it less of a crime, and more of an offence. Like a parking ticket instead of something which will give you a criminal record.

And yes, there are places where hemp is grown in Canada for soil erosion and for the fibres it produces. I am surprised Daishawa isn't allowed to grow it in Northern Alberta, Or Mac Blo in BC.

But for the American border to be 'tighter', I understand it has become more secure already. It is difficult to get the stuff out of Canada.
Most people do it by boat or on underused crossings (through farmers fields, native reservations or mountain passes) than by hiding it in normal trade...

You only hear about the big busts which were caught, not the big busts that got away...

[quote] also, canada is taking steps to decriminalize it, and america is pre-emptively warning them about trade issues and such. according to some news reports that i've read, when canada does decrim [supposedly steps are being taken and it seems like a definite go-ahead], american borders are gonna be tighter, even more so than post911. america hopes this threat will scare canada into delaying decrim or keeping it crim.
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post #209 of 219
Anyone know a good source for hemp clothes? Someone here mentioned Jeans made of hemp and I think I'll try a pair the next time I'm buying some.
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post #210 of 219
[test]

Well, I guess I am not banned, but evidently no new topics here are being allowed.
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post #211 of 219
[quote] Anyone know a good source for hemp clothes? Someone here mentioned Jeans made of hemp and I think I'll try a pair the next time I'm buying some. <hr></blockquote>

The ones I heard of were not sold as hemp. They were sold as normal jeans. The manufacturer had found hemp cloth was cheaper to get in China than import Cotton from elsewhere.

I would try searches on Google, or see if there is a hemp freindly store in your area. I hate to say it, but bongs in the window might be a good sign. However, most of those places will charge a premium since they have to import it.

Personally, I would try the internet under hemp products or clothing. Always a good place to start, and probably cheaper.
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post #212 of 219
[quote]Originally posted by nosey:
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Personally, I would try the internet under hemp products or clothing. Always a good place to start, and probably cheaper.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, Google's magical, but I was more interested in first hand experiences people have had. But whatever, the world is going to end in a week anyway.

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post #213 of 219
[quote] But whatever, the world is going to end in a week anyway. <hr></blockquote>

It can't end yet... I still owe on my student loan, and have yet to buy an ibook...
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post #214 of 219
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>You know? This can't go on forever. Is it just because of the passivity of smokers that there hasn't been more done about it? (nudge, nudge)

[ 08-07-2002: Message edited by: giant ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Legalizing Pot is regulating it. This would actually mean that it would only be legal to sell joints which would be pretty much on par with Cigarettes (very low concentration)...

After doing such, it would then be much more illegal for the current pot... You would need licenses to grow, manufacture, and sell it. Inspectors would guarentee and test that the concentration was below the legal level.

There are worse legal things to exploit, like Oxy-cotin. That sh*t is more addictive than heroin.

Personally, I see smoking as a weakness. Bronchitis isn't a cool thing, and 90% of all lung cancer patients have smoking connections...

If your not happy with good old fashioned alcohol and sex, then your probably not getting enough of one of the two...
post #215 of 219
[quote]Originally posted by Randycat99:
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Well, I guess I am not banned, but evidently no new topics here are being allowed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yup no new topics in FC/EN

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post #216 of 219
oxytocin is what the breast first excretes when beginning to breast feed a child
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post #217 of 219
Oxycotin is an adictive drug.
Oxytocin is first milk.

You are both right.

However I should point out that legalizing the growing of hemp for products does not necessarily include legalizing pot for sale.

Decriminalization means you would not face a jail term and be convicted with a criminal record, and none of the social problems that entails (incarceration, loss of job, loss of opportunities, etc)

And no more hassling of Ross Rebliatti for testing positive.

You would be issued a ticket, and a fine for getting caught.

Selling it, carrying more than one person could hope to use (ie, selling it) and growing it in a hydroponics setup, without proper licenses... Well, that's just asking for trouble.

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post #218 of 219
[quote]Originally posted by nosey:
<strong>Decriminalization means you would not face a jail term and be convicted with a criminal record, and none of the social problems that entails (incarceration, loss of job, loss of opportunities, etc)
[...]
You would be issued a ticket, and a fine for getting caught.
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in several states in the union, carrying a trivial amount of marijuana is not a crime, decriminalized. it's akin to getting a parking ticket. in ny you can get caught 25 and less grams on 2 occasions without jail time. [3rd offense theres the possibility of up to 15 days in jail.] [and for the non-imperial math wizzes, 28-31g are in an ounce, depending on your source of ohs]
post #219 of 219
[quote]Originally posted by thuh Freak:
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in several states in the union, carrying a trivial amount of marijuana is not a crime, decriminalized.</strong><hr></blockquote>

There are always the Feds though.

Am I the only one that finds it hypocritical that the republicans talk about State's powers, but somehow manage to support the Federal "War on Drugs"?
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