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Apple has reportedly inked a licensing deal with Sony Corp.'s music division to begin offering the label's catalog in the cloud, leaving Universal Music Group as the last holdout among the major record labels.

Bloomberg reports that Apple has reached licensing accords with Sony Corp., EMI Group, and Warner Music Group to allow users to access song collections from mobile devices via the Internet. Prior reports had noted that EMI and Warner were on board with Apple's plan for a cloud-based service.

Though Universal Music Group, the largest recording company, has yet to agree to a deal, Apple and the label are close to reaching an agreement, according to one person with knowledge of the deals. After signing licensing agreements with the labels, Apple would also need to renegotiate agreements with music publishers, which control different rights than the labels, the report noted.

Sources said plans for the new service could be previewed as early as next month at Apple's sold-out Worldwide Developer Conference. According to a report last month, Apple has finished work on the service, which is being held up by pending music label and publisher agreements.

People familiar with the matter said Apple's rumored cloud music service won't require users to upload online collections, giving the company a significant advantage over rivals Google and Amazon. Amazon launched its Cloud Drive and Cloud Player services in March, and Google launched a Music Beta cloud service last week.

Although Google and Amazon beat Apple to market with their cloud music services, music industry sources have expressed the belief that Apple's take on cloud music will be vastly superior. Both Google and Amazon reportedly chose not to secure music label support before launching their services.

Mounting evidence suggests that Apple is planning a new "iCloud" service. AppleInsider exclusively reported last month that Apple's plans for iCloud include more than just streaming music. Sources suggest that iCloud will be the central component of a revamped MobileMe that could bring a variety of personal data and media into the cloud.

After getting off to a rocky start, MobileMe struggled to gain traction. In 2008, Apple CEO Steve Jobs took the MobileMe team to task for the service's troubled launch. "You've tarnished Apple's reputation..." Jobs reportedly said. "You should hate each other for having let each other down"
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Sources said plans for the new service could be previewed as early as next month at Apple's sold-out Worldwide Developer Conference. According to a report last month, Apple has finished work on the service, which is being held up by pending music label and publisher agreements.

So this puts to rest the rumor that iCloud would be lunching tomorrow for retail anniversary. I guess it wasn't much of a good rumor anyways.
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...totally irrelevant...

WTF???

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BOOM.

Google and Amazon just shot themselves in the foot. Launching their music service without the label's permission? I had no idea they could be this incompetent.
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So this puts to rest the rumor that iCloud would be lunching tomorrow for retail anniversary. I guess it wasn't much of a good rumor anyways.

It never made sense from the start. 10th anniversary of Retail coinciding with a product launch, a cloud service no less, was quite far-fetched.

Most people that have worked in Retail, Apple or otherwise, know it's not *that* glamorous.

I could be wrong, maybe there'll be something real nice to celebrate Apple Retail, but coinciding with a new product or non-retail service seems unlikely.
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BOOM.

Google and Amazon just shot themselves in the foot. Launching their music service without the label's permission? I had no idea they could be this incompetent.

It remains to be seen. Will Apple's iCloud stream any music from the labels or only those songs that you own? How would it know what you own? It would have to scan your library and match it up... if it's using the same algorithm as "Get Album Artwork" we're in trouble.

Also, I have a number of tracks that aren't mainstream like DJ mixes, etc. Can it stream any track I tag to to be uploaded to the cloud?
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Asking how Apple deals with theft from its cloud service on an article about Apple's cloud service is absolutely relevant.

As is asking why an Apple news web site didn't cover Apple being summoned before Congress.

You're just trolling, and trying to find excuses to justify it. Apple going to Congress is being covered ad naseum by AI and every other site out there. Apple hasn't even started its cloud service, or confirmed its existence - how is it going to reveal its "theft" policies? And have Amazon or Google revealed their theft policies for their already running cloud services? Try to be more subtle next time you troll here.
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........stolen? If so, what?

I come here once a day to read up on tid bits of what might be coming along... as in rumours.
I find the speculation entertaining.

You're funny. Dont you have a life? So many posts trying to prove your point.
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It remains to be seen. Will Apple's iCloud stream any music from the labels or only those songs that you own? How would it know what you own? It would have to scan your library and match it up... if it's using the same algorithm as "Get Album Artwork" we're in trouble.

I imagine it would be reserved for tracks you have purchased from your iTunes Store account for three reasons:

1) the integrity of that data is guaranteed
2) Apple has existing access to this data
3) It adds value to music purchased through the iTunes Store compared to music purchased elsewhere and imported (which Apple does not make money from)
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Not interested in commentary, my friend. Just if anyone has answers to my questions. Which are:

● Why no coverage of yesterdays Congressional privacy hearing?
● Does Apple do anything at all when a customer's private data is stolen from their devices?

Go find the coverage. I'm sure CSPAN has a full account of it.
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Regarding the MobileMe fiasco and Steve telling the staff they failed themselves I think it explains much in the way of SproutCore guys no longer at Apple and starting their own company:

Strobe Inc. http://www.strobecorp.com/

I'm more than a bit disappointed in SproutCore's all business logic in the browser approach.

But then again, these guys don't strike much of having a background in EOF and how they could have handled a solution with business logic.
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Not interested in commentary, my friend. Just if anyone has answers to my questions. Which are:

● Why no coverage of yesterdays Congressional privacy hearing?
● Does Apple do anything at all when a customer's private data is stolen from their devices?

We await your insight at the thread you are so looking forward to:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=124611
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I imagine it would be reserved for tracks you have purchased from your iTunes Store account for three reasons:

1) the integrity of that data is guaranteed
2) Apple has existing access to this data
3) It adds value to music purchased through the iTunes Store compared to music purchased elsewhere and imported (which Apple does not make money from)

If it is just the tracks it recognises that I have purchased, I am going to be mighty pissed and I think it will be a big let down. I truly hope it is also any song you upload yourself and that wireless Sync of any song you upload is possible.

Apple, don't blow this.
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Lucky this deal wasn't the other way around: Sony strikes deal with Apple to let people hack into their credit card info.

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Asking how Apple deals with theft from its cloud service on an article about Apple's cloud service is absolutely relevant.

As is asking why an Apple news web site didn't cover Apple being summoned before Congress.

I guess you read the wrong article...
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I am really curious. On one level I don't care because I don't need cloud access to my music.

But in a few other ways... could this see the end of "sorry you lost the file you purchased", I've seen a fee bitten by that. Now I suppose you have forever access.

But what of personal collection. Didn't steve jobs says something like 90% of music on iPods is ripped. Well to launch a service that excludes most of a customers collection is not so handy.

Maybe a hybrid? So if it is iTunes bought it comes from the cloud, if it is your own it comes from your home collection. Bit naff but still functions.

I'm still waiting for the iTunes time capsule NAS device which shares up the house collection sans computer (I know 3rd party options exist)
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BOOM.

Google and Amazon just shot themselves in the foot. Launching their music service without the label's permission? I had no idea they could be this incompetent.

They get the same deal Apple will have. Labels don't want to give Apple too much control.
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Thanks, Apple, for showing upstarts such as Google and Amazon how business is done.
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This is looking more and more like they will reveal it during WWDC in 2.5 weeks. At least i hope we dont have to wait much longer than that.

So what fundamental front and back end differences will separate Apples service from the others?

Im guess at least delta encoding for the database and integration of the service through the iPod app in iOS 5.0. Im not sure they can or would try to extend the service to items you didnt buy through iTS.


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Not interested in commentary, my friend. Just if anyone has answers to my questions. Which are:

● Why no coverage of yesterdays Congressional privacy hearing?
● Does Apple do anything at all when a customer's private data is stolen from their devices?

Its bad enough this guy jacks a thread but then he posts dumb shit about not being interested in commentary to then ask for commentary to his questions. That has to be Teckstud.


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Thanks, Apple, for showing upstarts such as Google and Amazon how business is done.

Word. But I can see where Amazon and Googles piddly attempt at making playlists from basic storage lockers wouldnt need any labels to get signed.

Plus it does appear Google tried and failed to get the labels on board for some agreement. My guess is Google went in unorganized and unfocused like a kid with $100 at a toy store not knowing what he should buy.
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Forgive me if I am misunderstanding something, but why would Apple need a policy? When you go grocery shopping, the grocery store doesn't have a posted policy in what it would do if your name, address, and credit card information is stolen. Accordingly, I can't see why Apple would have such as publicly posted policy.

Moreover, iCould is just a rumor. So, why would Apple have any policy for that? Unless you have a Mobile Me Account, Apple doesn't access your contact information. With Mobile Me, Apple does have such a policy.

It goes like this, "you are solely responsible and liable for any activities that occur under your Subscriber ID. If you suspect or become aware of any unauthorized use of your account please contact MobileMe Support at http://www.apple.com/support/mobileme/ww."

I read that to mean, if your account is hacked, you are responsible. No company can guarantee your information is safe. Especially when their is sanctioned hacking by the Chinese government. Google lost a lot of gmail subscriber information to the Chinese (according to the Wikileaks). Google hasn't said a word on this. Yet, many people's accounts were taken over. My step father and another friend had such accounts. They both were locked out of their gmail accounts, as friends and family received emails sent from their accounts asking for money and all kinds of things. To this day, my step father's account has him locked out and Google never gave him access to his own account again. Largely because their is nobody to talk to at Google directly about Gmail. He lost years of saved emails.






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Apple's privacy policy covers all it's products. I looked at their policy and didn't see where it discussed theft at all. So I'm asking here, on a thread where Apple is introducing a service that will (according to AI) allow private data to be uploaded to their servers.

So I'll ask again, what is Apple's policy when their customers' data gets stolen? Apple is asking us to store private data, like the names, addresses, and phone numbers of our friends, family, and business associates, on devices only they can protect, like iPhone and iCloud.

Do they do anything at all when it gets stolen? If so, what?
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Did I miss a post covering what happened at yesterday's hearing? Because zero posts isn't ad naseum.


Apple's privacy policy covers all it's products. I looked at their policy and didn't see where it discussed theft at all. So I'm asking here, on a thread where Apple is introducing a service that will (according to AI) allow private data to be uploaded to their servers.

So I'll ask again, what is Apple's policy when their customers' data gets stolen? Apple is asking us to store private data, like the names, addresses, and phone numbers of our friends, family, and business associates, on devices only they can protect, like iPhone and iCloud.

Do they do anything at all when it gets stolen? If so, what?

Go troll somewhere else.
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Why is nobody speculating about one KILLER feature that could truly be the death blow to Google & Amazon's attempts - the ability to pull down a higher-quality stream, such as Apple Lossless, Ogg Vorbis, or something better than MP3 or 256k AAC? That would truly be AWESOME.
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If it is just the tracks it recognises that I have purchased, I am going to be mighty pissed and I think it will be a big let down. I truly hope it is also any song you upload yourself and that wireless Sync of any song you upload is possible.

Apple, don't blow this.

Ah...I think you're going to be mighty pissed.It'll be impossible for Apple to know whether you have ever legitimately purchased some music any other way.

Doesn't mean it might not also let you upload stuff to your storage but that might be sandboxed in a different area and not tied in as tightly to the ecosystem. Then again, maybe the record companies have finally figured it out that making music easy to buy even as CDs and ripping is better than trying to turn back time.
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Why is nobody speculating about one KILLER feature that could truly be the death blow to Google & Amazon's attempts - the ability to pull down a higher-quality stream, such as Apple Lossless, Ogg Vorbis, or something better than MP3 or 256k AAC? That would truly be AWESOME.

If they arent going to sell lossless audio I think its improbable to expect them to stream lossless audio. At about 1Mbps thats a lot of cellular data being used. Its just not feasible to use stream 50MB for a single 4 minute song.
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They get the same deal Apple will have. Labels don't want to give Apple too much control.

You mean they'd rather give control to companies that don't actually want to pay anything for their IP as opposed to companies that do pay reasonable fees for their IP?

Cozing up to Amazon really worked out well right?
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If they aren’t going to sell lossless audio I think it’s improbable to expect them to stream lossless audio. At about 1Mbps that’s a lot of cellular data being used. It’s just not feasible to use stream 50MB for a single 4 minute song.

Where I am there is a lot of free Wi-fi and no bandwidth charges when I use my own or a friend's so the option could be useful at times.

edit: I agree they won't do it though.
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Not interested in commentary, my friend. Just if anyone has answers to my questions. Which are:

● Why no coverage of yesterdays Congressional privacy hearing?
● Does Apple do anything at all when a customer's private data is stolen from their devices?

if you are not interested in commentary, why do you come here to ask "Does Apple do anything at all when a customer's private data is stolen from their devices?" ?

Since this is a not Apple, or no Apple employees work here, all you are going to get is commentary and opinions. No facts here buddy. Just rumours and speculations and opinions and commentary.
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Google lost a lot of gmail subscriber information to the Chinese (according to the Wikileaks). Google hasn't said a word on this. Yet, many people's accounts were taken over. My step father and another friend had such accounts. They both were locked out of their gmail accounts, as friends and family received emails sent from their accounts asking for money and all kinds of things. To this day, my step father's account has him locked out and Google never gave him access to his own account again. Largely because their is nobody to talk to at Google directly about Gmail. He lost years of saved emails.

That happened to my Gmail account around two weeks ago, the first I knew a wrong password login error came up on my iPhone, my password had been changed.

When I managed to reset my password by logging in on a PC and having a security code sent by SMS to my phone my inbox filled with "Undelivered message" notifications because my Google contact list consists solely of spammer's email addresses.

Sync contacts with my iPhone, not a chance, I'll leave that to MobileMe.
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WTF???

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