Originally Posted by BR
You admitted your beliefs sound crazy. You also said that they are true.
Actually what I specifically said was:
Originally Posted by MJ1970
Yes it does sound insane. It is very bizarre. It is very out of whack with our understanding of the world. It's true that a lot of things about God have this characteristic. They sound weird or crazy to our finite human minds.
Do you realize that just because it seems crazy doesn't mean it isn't true?
I agreed that it sounds
crazy to our minds. I did not say it was
crazy. That's you. I then asked you if you understood that even though something sounds crazy doesn't mean it isn't true.
Originally Posted by BR
I'm using terminology that you accepted to ask you a question. Now suddenly it's not polite enough for you. This is just another one of your control games and I'm not playing.
I think you know what I mean. But allowing for the possibility that you don't let me help. Here's a more polite way to ask your questions:What makes you think that what you believe is the truth?
Or...What makes you think that what you believe, which sounds crazy to me, is the truth?
See. Isn't that much nicer?
OK. I will answer this question: What makes you think that what you believe is the truth?
I don't know exactly. I certainly don't know
it is true...I believe
it is true. That's why it's called faith. For example I know
I'm sitting on a brown couch right now. This doesn't require any faith. On the other hand I believe
that there is $X in my bank account. I don't know it's there. I won't know
until I try to withdraw it all and they actually give it to me.
Issues about how the world might end, and whether, when and how God will return (and even His existence) are in the category of faith. I don't know
it will happen, but I believe
it will. I have no idea of how or when. I agree this requires much more faith than the bank account faith...but it is faith, not knowledge.
What gives me this faith? Well, after a time of thinking about, contemplating, considering the claims of the Bible and the alternatives, etc. I've come to accept what the Bible says about God and His son Jesus Christ...and this leads me to take on faith that what is said about him returning at some point in the future on faith. It doesn't mean I have it all clearly understood and figured out...and there are things that I struggle with understanding all the time. I even wrestle with doubt at times. I don't assume I know everything there is to know about all of that.
I realize that you (and others) think this sounds "crazy" or "insane". That's fine. I get that. I'm okay with that. Of course it doesn't mean I'm wrong. I might be. I might not be. I respect the fact that you both disagree and even think it's crazy. I understand that some people require more proof or evidence or whatever. For me, I have enough evidence to satisfy me and realize that some of it I must take on faith.