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Or....it reflects that there is so much fucking evidence that all points to evolution that it would take a shit ton of stuff to contradict the whole thing. Certain parts may be found to be flawed and adjusted. That's still very much up for debate in scientific communities. The precise balance between natural selection and mutation is still unknown. But it is safe to say that through those mechanisms, evolution occurs. And we have the evidence to back that shit up.

Where's your pile of evidence for your magical sky daddy?

And it figures you won't bother to look up those endogenous retroviruses.

I did looOK them up actually. But it is not relevant to my question. I wasn't asking for evidence that it had not been falsified, but rather a proposition that could falsify it.

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But there is evidence of me existing. And the claim that I am a human rather than a machine or a pixie sprinkling dust onto a magical leaf keyboard is really not all that extraordinary.

The standard of evidence to decide that I am a human is nowhere near what would be required to make such fantastical claims that there exists a magical being that cannot be observed, measured, or quantified yet somehow does interact with this universe leaving no evidence and promising eternal life after death.

Not faith. Go back to the definitions thread. You have experience and enough circumstantial evidence to make a very reasonable assumption about a very mundane claim. You trust that I am a human and not an AI.

Nope.

How do you get these responses? Can they be independently verified?

Noah, you're a good guy and I know this kind of introspection is difficult, but are you 100% sure that it couldn't possibly be a combination of wishful thinking and confirmation bias?

Thank you for remaining civil here. I don't think any answer I can give you right now will answer these questions to your satisfaction. What you are looking for I cannot give you. But I will see if there is anything more to add over the next few days. Is it wishful thinking? I don't believe so, but it could be. Is it confimation bias? Same answer. Technical definitions could fit either scenario. However, my experiences tell me no.
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What does it tell you Jimmac? Specifically? That might give people some insight into you, and where you are coming from based on your characterization of what their response means. Unless you have another agenda and not revealing your position gives you an advantage.

But NoahJ I've always been open about my position. If you don't believe me it's a pretty incredible performance I've been giving here for oh say about 12 years now don't you think?.
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post #204 of 338
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But NoahJ I've always been open about my position. If you don't believe me it's a pretty incredible performance I've been giving here for oh say about 12 years now don't you think?.

Answer the question. Or retract the statement.
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post #205 of 338
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This is part of the game you play. You demand the tit but never give the tat. Here I go falling for it again. But fine.



http://atheism.about.com/od/evolutio...ceCriteria.htm

Now, be a good little seeker of knowledge and actually learn something new. Go read up on endogenous retroviruses and what they mean for our common primate ancestors.

I demand the tit, too!
post #206 of 338
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Why would their entire faith in Christianity have to be shaken? You are asking that someone reject their entire religious belief system over a false prophet?

No. I didn't ask that.

I asked if the May 21st folks could be dissuaded from their beliefs that May 21st was the rapture.

I asked MJ1970 if there is anything that could shake has faith.
post #207 of 338
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It's not my job to disprove it. He makes a claim a god exists. I say define it and prove it. If he can, sweet. If he can't, my default nonbelief status doesn't change. Do you expect to have to disprove any wild assertion someone makes to you? That isn't your job, either.

He's not making a claim. He's explaining what his beliefs are. You are the one making a claim. Your claim is that a supreme being has not intervened in his life. But you cannot prove this. You might think it's nonsense, but you can't prove your view. Similarly, he cannot prove his.

I don't recall for sure, but I assume you're an atheist? You seem to have a really hard time accepting that which cannot be scientifically proven.
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post #208 of 338
It occurred to me today, why there are 2 accounts of Creation in the book of Genesis.

Because Christianity is an ancient fertility / solar religion - and the second book Exodus is the story of the sperm travelling across the barren lands of 'Egypt' the fertile plain of Israel, where they all die, but one becomes someone else - hehe - pregnancy - IIRC Moses means 'is born'....

I wonder what that volcano erupting symbolises!
Parting of the red sea!

Well there are 2 accounts of creation in genesis, obviously because it takes 2 people to screw, so the 2 accounts of creation are the consciousness of the male and female union.

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Please ignore this message if you are of nervous evangelical disposition....

Or if you recognize flamebait when you see it.

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post #210 of 338
Or maybe if you're suffering from a complete psychosis from reality, you should just ignore the truth and believe whatever shit (psychotic yet unconditional loving sky daddy) you need to to make you happy.

Cant quite understand why so called Christians are so ashamed of the history and origins of their beliefs...

Unless of course they're desperately trying to maintain faith in a fallacy.
post #211 of 338
Then theres the Manna - sent from God.

Well we learnt that God is an ancient name for the vulva previously....

Manna - A white substance that appears on the unfertile plains of Egypt....along with the moist dew.

You have to give it to the ancients, they were quite creative with their pornography.
post #212 of 338
Come on, we cant let this thread die, it is such fun.

No one wants to discuss the Manna? Is that because were all sexually repressed Fundies?

I had another revelation from the vulva God today. The story of Noah's Ark (or the Epic of Gilgamesh) is the metaphorical story of the birth of the pregnancy thats been brewing in the last few chapters.

I also suddenly realised that all the crazy ages that these people were living too, is because they are not years, but months - because time periods were lunar phases. Old calendars used to record phases of the moon, not orbits around the sun.
post #213 of 338
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October 21. Still Here.


But...but...it was supposed to be the Rapture FOR REALSIES this time!!!


Nope, still here.

 

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post #214 of 338
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October 21. Still Here.


But...but...it was supposed to be the Rapture FOR REALSIES this time!!!


Nope, still here.

Wow...all of the 1 billion Christians in the world who believe this really have egg in on their faces!!!

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Wow...all of the 1 billion Christians in the world who believe this really have egg in on their faces!!!


A little bacon and toast and they could have breakfast!
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post #216 of 338
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He's not making a claim. He's explaining what his beliefs are. You are the one making a claim. Your claim is that a supreme being has not intervened in his life. But you cannot prove this. You might think it's nonsense, but you can't prove your view. Similarly, he cannot prove his.

I don't recall for sure, but I assume you're an atheist? You seem to have a really hard time accepting that which cannot be scientifically proven.

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He's not making a claim.

SDW when he sets definite dates for outcomes he's making a claim.
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post #217 of 338
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October 21. Still Here.


But...but...it was supposed to be the Rapture FOR REALSIES this time!!!


Nope, still here.

Shoot, guess I need to go back to work again...

And I really needed a long vacation too...

(the above was sarcasm, nobody I know takes those guys seriously. Besides, you are supposed to live every day as if the rapture were tomorrow.)
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post #218 of 338
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Live every day as if the ice giants will return. Honestly, don't sound any more silly.

 

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post #219 of 338
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Shoot, guess I need to go back to work again...

And I really needed a long vacation too...

(the above was sarcasm, nobody I know takes those guys seriously. Besides, you are supposed to live every day as if the rapture were tomorrow.)

If the rapture were tomorrow, I'd skip out on my job, fly to Thailand with my wife, and relax and make love on a beach until the moment the end arrived. We can't live as though there are no consequences for our actions. But we also can't neglect the importance of living for today. That's why short of losing my job, I do all that other stuff anyway, as often as I can.
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If the rapture were tomorrow, I'd skip out on my job, fly to Thailand with my wife, and relax and make love on a beach until the moment the end arrived. We can't live as though there are no consequences for our actions. But we also can't neglect the importance of living for today. That's why short of losing my job, I do all that other stuff anyway, as often as I can.

Way to miss the point.
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post #221 of 338
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Rapture? Nope. Move along. Nothing to see here. Ever.

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It's not the Rapture, it's the quickening! There can be only one!

Actually, I totally love The Rapture.

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Roll on the end of all foolish superstitions.

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Another crackpot guy claiming the world's going to end and when the day comes :


Absolutely nothing!

What a surprise! And how many have there been of these in my lifetime?

I remember some months ago these big black trucks drove through the campus at work to advertise the nonevent ( I imagine they did this at many schools ). With 2012 crossed out on their sides and " May 2011 " as the true date of the end. They looked pretty silly then but they look extra silly now.

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Oh right. The silly part is that this group claimed to know the date. Not the whole "flying naked into the sky to meet with Jesus" part. That part, totally reasonable. Right. Got it.

*slowly backs away from the rest of the Christian nutbags who still believe the rapture will happen at some point in time*

BTW, the best part about this thread is the pure hypocrisy displayed in it. If someone is liberal, an atheist and manages to be wrong or worse yet humiliated or hurt due to being wrong related to their own actions or beliefs and you take any happiness, pleasure, glee or even note it, then you are a disgusting human being who shouldn't be able to live with yourself for being so uncompassionate and heartless.

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post #222 of 338
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Way to miss the point.

It was an aside. I wasn't addressing the point. Get a clue and stop being so fucking confrontational, please.
post #223 of 338
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Live every day as if the ice giants will return. Honestly, don't sound any more silly.

I guess that depends on what you expect to happen when the ice giants return?
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post #224 of 338
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If the rapture were tomorrow, I'd skip out on my job, fly to Thailand with my wife, and relax and make love on a beach until the moment the end arrived. We can't live as though there are no consequences for our actions. But we also can't neglect the importance of living for today. That's why short of losing my job, I do all that other stuff anyway, as often as I can.

Good to hear. I agree, there are consequences, and I am a big believer in taking them seriously. Living like there is no tomorrow is not what it is about. Living like tomorrow may be the last time you might be able to make a difference in someones life is closer to what it is for me.
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Spending a blissful day of fucking on the beach with the person you love seems like making quite a difference in someone's life.

 

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Good to hear. I agree, there are consequences, and I am a big believer in taking them seriously. Living like there is no tomorrow is not what it is about. Living like tomorrow may be the last time you might be able to make a difference in someones life is closer to what it is for me.

Yep, but we're talking about a 'someone' whose life will be just as short as yours, in which case enjoying nature and love, with the one you love enjoying nature and love together with you sounds like as much of a difference in someone's life you can possibly expect to make.
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Spending a blissful day of fucking on the beach with the person you love seems like making quite a difference in someone's life.

Yeah, and?
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Yep, but we're talking about a 'someone' whose life will be just as short as yours, in which case enjoying nature and love, with the one you love enjoying nature and love together with you sounds like as much of a difference in someone's life you can possibly expect to make.

tonton casts Irrefutable Logic. Noah blocks with Religious Ability to Ignore Reality and Create Your Own.

Damn. Good effort, though.

 

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post #229 of 338
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tonton casts Irrefutable Logic. Noah blocks with Religious Ability to Ignore Reality and Create Your Own.

Damn. Good effort, though.

Piss off BR, Tonton and I are having a good conversation.
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Yep, but we're talking about a 'someone' whose life will be just as short as yours, in which case enjoying nature and love, with the one you love enjoying nature and love together with you sounds like as much of a difference in someone's life you can possibly expect to make.

That may be true (their life being as short as yours), but they are not the only person whose life you can make a difference in. My world is not just me and one other person, as yours is not as well. I would say that your final day would not be the worst way to spend it, but my point is not about the last day, but all the days leading up to it.

How does one make a difference every single day?
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Moving those goalposts. You said treat every day like the last day. Now you say treat every day like it's leading up to the last day. Which is it?

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How does one make a difference every single day?

I agree with the sentiment, but it's off the topic of this thread.
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I agree with the sentiment, but it's off the topic of this thread.

Heck, the thread topic was boring anyhow. Thanks for the conversation.
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Moving those goalposts. You said treat every day like the last day. Now you say treat every day like it's leading up to the last day. Which is it?

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It is both. Enjoy your argument, I am not playing.
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It is both. Enjoy your argument, I am not playing.

Ah yes. End it by saying that two things that aren't the same are and leave.

Anyhoo, let's just reiterate...

Believing that the rapture will occur on a specific day: CRAZY NUTBAG WORTHY OF SCORN
Believing that the rapture will occur nebulously soon: Completely sane and well-balanced position.

You have much more in common with those crazy nutbags than with rational members of society. You are burgundy telling fire brick that they are too red. But you're really all pretty much the same.

 

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Ah yes. End it by saying that two things that aren't the same are and leave.

Anyhoo, let's just reiterate...

Believing that the rapture will occur on a specific day: CRAZY NUTBAG WORTHY OF SCORN
Believing that the rapture will occur nebulously soon: Completely sane and well-balanced position.

You have much more in common with those crazy nutbags than with rational members of society. You are burgundy telling fire brick that they are too red. But you're really all pretty much the same.

Believing that the global overpopulation will occur on a specific day: CRAZY NUTBAG WORTHY OF SCORN
Believing that the global overpopulation will occur nebulously soon: Completely sane and well-balanced position.

Believing that the global warming will occur on a specific day: CRAZY NUTBAG WORTHY OF SCORN
Believing that the global warming will occur nebulously soon: Completely sane and well-balanced position.

Sucks to be you.

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Ah yes. End it by saying that two things that aren't the same are and leave.

Anyhoo, let's just reiterate...

Believing that the rapture will occur on a specific day: CRAZY NUTBAG WORTHY OF SCORN
Believing that the rapture will occur nebulously soon: Completely sane and well-balanced position.

You have much more in common with those crazy nutbags than with rational members of society. You are burgundy telling fire brick that they are too red. But you're really all pretty much the same.

I am consistent in my beliefs with what I believe. Those who claim to be able to predict the day and the hour are not. Their beliefs that they can do so is in direct opposition to what they claim to believe as it is written. Their belief that there will be a rapture is not. I would not have even brought it up if you had not posted the thread and made a big deal about it. it does not make me lose sleep at night. If you don't want conversation and just want to heap scorn on people, say so and I will simply avoid talking with you anymore.
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It was an aside. I wasn't addressing the point.

I don't think so. I honestly think you miss the central idea that to Christians, the Rapture isn't about the end of the world.

It's about the beginning of the road to a new one.
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I don't think so. I honestly think you miss the central idea that to Christians, the Rapture isn't about the end of the world.

It's about the beginning of the road to a new one.

I think it's also important to note that the term "Rapture" is not even a universal term/doctrine among Christians.

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I think it's also important to note that the term "Rapture" is not even a universal term/doctrine among Christians.

Yup. Leave it to the Mormon to point out that the Rapture-as-commonly-known-today is made up bullshit from the mid-19th century. If you were referring to Mormons not believing in the rapture, it's laughable to call yourself a Christian. Mormons aren't Christians. You're Christian fan-fiction.


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