Originally Posted by nvidia2008
I had a thought. Maybe the Rapture is just like one laying down on a beautiful green park, the sun shining warmly. Your favorite band plays a great but smooth set of songs. A cool breeze comes, you close your eyes, the light becomes more intense, envelops you... and then, you're gone. Where to? It doesn't even matter.
I think for a lot of folks, where to does matter. Obviously there are a lot of folks out there, myself included who do not desire to think life has no meaning and purpose.
Originally Posted by tonton
Where's the 'like' button? Someone gets it.
There are people who will never be satisfied with what this life and this world have to offer. These people invented heaven.
The rest of us have the opportunity to live in it.
'The Rapture' is an extension of the idea of heaven that says not only will I and my friends go to heaven, there will be a time when we all go there together (circumventing that nasty 'death' business) while everybody we don't like will go to hell. Hope you're prepared, nyah, nyah nyah nyah-nyah.
This is profoundly wrong and again, part of the hypocrisy so many show. Remember religion is the opiate of the masses as uttered by Karl Marx? That is because the masses were content not to engage in revolution in what they considered to be "this life" because all the ills and injustices would be cured in the afterlife.
The people who are never satisfied with this life and what this world have to offer are the utopian socialists. It's pretty clear that they will murder and engage in genocide to bring this very religious vision reality and we have plenty of examples of that as well.
So again, I think about who will cause me more harm. I might have a group of Jehovah's Witness believers. They knock on my door. They talk to me and hand me pamphlets. They go away. They don't harm me.
Meanwhile the socialist utopians want to control what pet I can own, what I can feed my kid, if my penis is circumcised, confiscate my income, etc.
They don't knock on my door, talk to me or hand me pamphlets. They know what is right for no other reason than they are Übermensch.
Originally Posted by Mumbo Jumbo
Trumptman, do you share NoahJ's position on the End Times and the Rapture, and so on?
I don't know exactly what his position happens to be but an idea stands on it's own. If you believe your idea is right it must be proven so apart from what Noah believes. It doesn't become right just because you claim to prove his wrong.
Leftists adopt this sort of reasoning often so it isn't surprising you've done it here. I'm sure if Noah weren't a "religious kook" in your eyes, then he would be a -ist engaging in an -ism. It's a way to avoid thought and engagement. You're allowed to disqualify him from the discussion rather than having to prove your own ideas which is why I posted this reply...Believing that the global overpopulation will occur on a specific day: CRAZY NUTBAG WORTHY OF SCORN
Believing that the global overpopulation will occur nebulously soon: Completely sane and well-balanced position.
Believing that the global warming will occur on a specific day: CRAZY NUTBAG WORTHY OF SCORN
Believing that the global warming will occur nebulously soon: Completely sane and well-balanced position.
Those positions are no different, and require the same level of faith as the rapture. Whatever label you assign to a believer of the rapture, especially if that label is meant to disqualify from discussion rather than engage, apply to yourself and other "believers" of these two religions.