Originally Posted by Frank777
Really sorry Nvidia. I've been engrossed in a project at work and haven't had time to post.
We should be about done by Friday. I'll put a post together in the next couple of days.
No worries. When you have time.
Originally Posted by KingOfSomewhereHot
Of course they built that crap... and they still do ... but no-one has ever shown evidence that "God" actually showed up in that room.
There are also many other religions around the world that build temples to DIFFERENT gods... obviously (per Biblical teaching) they can't ALL be right ... they must all (except the christians, of course) be building temples to gods that don't exist.
...but... If that's the case, then a thinking person would have to admit that there's a possibility that the christian's god ALSO does NOT exist???
I could go out in my yard right now and build a building with a "special room" where I could say that the Flying Spaghetti Monster will talk to you within that room.... In that case, of COURSE I built the "temple" (or even thousands of them built by like-minded folks all over the world) ... no argument there ... but the existence of those "temples" is NOT proof that the FSM actually exists.
You highlight two important things which have actually shaped my current spiritual path, most easily explained as Gnosis.
I grew up in a city where Islam, Christianity, Catholicism, Confucianism, Taoism, "Pure" Buddhism, Hinduism and more can all be found within a few square miles. Things have changed since then as it moves towards being a Muslim nation. Still, my memories from my childhood were quite clear. Also, in my family, to this day, dad is a Hindu and mum is a Christian. Some aunts and uncles on my mum's side were Confucianists, and get this, some family on my dad's side actually follow a Hindu sect/cult which one of my other Hindu aunts complained was deviant.
So the first thing is, obviously, people believe in one or many Gods. Are these the same Gods, are some real, some not? After some time I realise I've always moved towards monotheism, since, how can there be more than one supreme etc. being? Do they favour Muslims or Christians? Do they argue among themselves, and as such are humans are mere playthings to them? Didn't jive with me. To me, clearly, it's one same Divine. Whatever, however, whomever, whenever one chooses to interact with it is well, the stuff of debates raging for millennia. But to me, it's just one same "entity".
The second thing is, proof. Gnosis is based on the idea of "to know". That is, no one told you, maybe they hinted to you or tried to teach you, but you have "to know" within you. If you don't believe it, then you don't. If or when you believe it, then you do. Some say this is a cop out because one does not apply standards of Science and logical thought to the issue. But what I feel of the nature of spirituality is to not try and argue with Science. Faith is different. Some have tried to reconcile the two but I don't think it is possible at this stage. The beauty of Gnosis is summed up actually by Morpheus in the Matrix. "Not everyone believes what you believe, Morpheus", to which Morpheus replies, "My beliefs do not require them to".