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An explosion last week at an iPad 2 production plant in Chengdu, China, is not expected to have a major impact on Apple, as less than 20 percent of production volume is said to have come from the plant.

Analyst Maynard Um with UBS Investment Research said in a note to investors on Monday that the Chengdu plant is considered a secondary location for iPad 2 production by Foxconn. He said checks with supply chain sources indicated that less than 20 percent of iPad volume comes from the Chengdu facility.

"Although the issue is unlikely to help supply issues to meet strong global demand, we see this issue as temporary and note there are few companies in our coverage that have as strong an end demand picture," Um wrote.

Supporting that same notion on Monday was DigiTimes, which also downplayed the impact of last week's explosion on production capacity. That report claimed that less than 30 percent of total iPad production came from the Chengdu plant.

And China Times (via Google Translate) reported on Sunday that Terry Gou, chairman of Foxconn, met with key suppliers following the disaster to ensure that it would not lead to production issues. Gou reportedly said that the explosion will not affect iPad 2 production, nor "new products" like the next-generation iPhone.

The death toll from last week's explosion now stands at three, while 15 people were injured in the incident that occurred on Friday. The explosion occurred in a Foxconn "polishing plant" around 7 p.m., and the Chengdu Municipal government said foul play was not involved.

Foxconn issued a statement on the incident to say that it is fully cooperating with an ongoing police investigation, and that production has been suspended at the facility. Apple also commented on the matter, stating that the company is "deeply saddened" by the tragedy, and that it is working with Foxconn to investigate.
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LOL! Three dead, dozens seriously injured, but we will still have our shiny gizmos.

I'm glad Apple has at least acknowledged that problems exist at the Foxconn plant they use, but they need to do more to correct those problems. And they need to start now.

What amazes me is "Apple" needs to do something. Because this is part of Foxconn's customer list.

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I ordered an iPad 2 yesterday and this morning Apple has e-mailed me to say it has shipped!
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Hopefully there aren't any body parts in the box it comes in.

Hopefully there are! Imagine the amount you could get for a finger on eBay!
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Hopefully there aren't any body parts in the box it comes in.

Yeah, maybe we should go back to pre-indtustrial age life -- where the streets were paved with animal feces and the average life-span was 30-40.
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Gross. But funny in a black sort of way.

In the age of Obama you need to substitute a certain portion of your comment, otherwise your comment might be construed as racist!
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The death of three workers and the marring of 15 others won't greatly affect iPad 2 production for Apple

But seriously, Foxconn employs 400,000 people, death toll is actually lower than the U.S. average. I'm sure they will investigate and work to improve the reliability of their facilities because that's how they make money, through timely production.

Like any other company, I'm sure they also value their employees who operate these machinery and Foxconn probably spent butt-loads of money and valuable hours training and certifying them.

I'm sure the supervisor who chose to ignore the problem to the point of destroying the company's equipment is in deep trouble, probably lost his job and/or is in prison.
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What amazes me is "Apple" needs to do something. Because this is part of Foxconn's customer list.

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1) magicj is going to vilify Apple no matter what they do.

2) This did happen at a plant, or part of a plant, producing Apples iPads. If a factory producing Sony batteries exploded Id expect Sony to respond.

3) I think Apple is their biggest customer, and along with Apples mindshare pretty much anything that happens at Foxconn will have an instant Apple association. I bet even if the issue had nothing to do with an Apple product the media would phrase it as such to mention Apple.
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I ordered an iPad 2 yesterday and this morning Apple has e-mailed me to say it has shipped!

I ordered one for my wife (16g, WiFi only) from MacMall four weeks ago, and it's still on backorder.
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I ordered one for my wife (16g, WiFi only) from MacMall four weeks ago, and it's still on backorder.

Out of curiosity, why order from MacMall when they’re ship times are longer than Apple’s ship times?

edit: MacMall and Apple both have 1-2 week ship times listed. I assumed the online stock was better for Apple due to digitalclips’ post and my recent query at a local Apple Store.
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LOL! Three dead, many seriously injured, but we will still have our shiny gizmos.

I'm glad Apple has at least acknowledged that problems exist at the Foxconn plant they use, but they need to do more to correct those problems. And they need to start now.

To be fair this is a tech news site. People who want to know the effects on production are not necessarily heartless consumers and I don't see any immorality in them wanting to know. These things have obvious knock on effects. Your comment is a tad "holier than thou". Sure something has to be done about Foxconn though.
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Actually I don't understand the online order times. 1-2 weeks online and yet many brick and mortar electronics retailers around where I live have plenty of stock. I think at this stage, if you're just prepared to look around, there's no need to wait.
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Wanna bet a dollar on that?

Having worked in manufacturing for several years, ignoring scheduled maintenance and repairs on equipment to the point of failure and even worse, the talent that went behind operating such machinery (hard to find or takes a long time to train) are injured is a very serious profit loss due to missing your set goals and deadlines.

Many factory contracts depend on delivery, so if a manufacturer does not deliver on time they will actually loose anywhere from 5~45% of the agreed-on amount. In some cases it's even a 100%, and that's when the products are sold at "dumping" rates, which a big problem for U.S. businesses to purchase since they carry legal implications.
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Hopefully there aren't any body parts in the box it comes in.

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Hopefully there are! Imagine the amount you could get for a finger on eBay!

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Gross. But funny in a black sort of way.

Didn't you all jump on a poster for making jokes about the explosion the day the story broke? But it's okay now?

Hmmm, I guess timing is everything.
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You, on the other hand, will defend Apple in the face of these abuses, which are so bad that even American slaves never had to tolerate anything like it. And before you argue this point with me, show me a reference where American slaves were exposed to hazardous chemicals and forced to breathe aluminum every day.

You're just being an asshole, right?...
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Haven't been here for a few days. Been busy.

Never too busy to mind Apple's business. Gotta keep an eye on these guys.
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Hardly true. I only vilify them when they don't inform customers that their private data has been stolen, when they sell developers access to APIs that can't be used due to patent disputes, and when they financially reward manufactures with a long history of serious abuses against their employees. And for their 800+ fart apps.

You, on the other hand, will defend Apple in the face of these abuses, which are so bad that even American slaves never had to tolerate anything like it. And before you argue this point with me, show me a reference where American slaves were exposed to hazardous chemicals and forced to breathe aluminum every day.

Please go away. Thanks.
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You, on the other hand, will defend Apple in the face of these abuses, which are so bad that even American slaves never had to tolerate anything like it. And before you argue this point with me, show me a reference where American slaves were exposed to hazardous chemicals and forced to breathe aluminum every day.

Good point. Let's bring back slavery as long as the slaves aren't exposed to environmental hazards. It would be so much more convenient today because we can buy/sell slaves on eBay.
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Good point. Let's bring back slavery as long as the slaves aren't exposed to environmental hazards. It would be so much more convenient today because we can buy/sell slaves on eBay.

His statement is so odd. He wants not a reference to slavery and hardships, but to 1) American slaves, 2) hazardous chemicals, but not hazardous elements or other working conditions, AND 3) forced to breath in aluminum every day. If all the criteria isnt met its somehow not valid in his mind. I sort of miss the more clever trolls.

I seem to recall that bauxite mining was popular in the Americas and that before the Hall-Héroult process of the 19th(?) century it was more difficult to mine and thus made it more value than even gold. Considering the metal has been used since at least the Ancient Greeks it seems unlikely that slave labor wasnt utilities by many cultures over the centuries. However, I simply cant prove that a single American slave breathe bauxite ore so I guess I must tip my hat to magicjs superior argument¡ <== Ethiopian irony mark.
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What amazes me is "Apple" needs to do something. Because this is part of Foxconn's customer list.

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Amazon
Asus
Intel
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Dell
Nintendo
Nokia
Microsoft
Sony
Sony Ericsson
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Vizio

What part of "iPad 2 production plant" did you not understand?
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How about we just provide safe working conditions for those workers.

Not hard to do.

No not hard just expensive. No can do, gotta keep that bottom line low and profit margins up.
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Please go away. Thanks.

The truth is ugly, isn't it?
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What part of "iPad 2 production plant" did you not understand?

Are you seriously arguing that Foxconn’s poor working conditions and/or health risk areas are ONLY in departments that build Apple’s products?
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Please go away. Thanks.

You and Solipsism would defend Apple if Steve Jobs was caught sneaking into the place with a fucking bomb.

Anyone who doesn't sing the same song is a troll, or an idiot.

Bollocks son.
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What part of "iPad 2 production plant" did you not understand?

What part of "they need to do more to correct those problems" do you not understand?

Every time anyone brings anything up about conditions, deaths, quarterly results or anything to do with Foxconn, Apple is in the headline. Apple isn't the only company that does business with Foxconn. The problems at "iPad2 production plant" are problems at EVERY plant Foxconn owns. Problems are NOT unique to Apple products. Do you understand now?? I didn't think so......
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Tell it to the people dying, quickly and slowly, from these practices.

Why, just bitch about the problem, anonymously -- rather shouldn't go on record, publicly, with your real name...

Then, diligently, apply yourself to attaining the fame, following and where-with-all -- that you can actually do (and influence others to do) something to correct the situation.

'course that's more difficult, and less self-satisfying that telling others how they must act.
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Are you seriously arguing that Foxconn’s poor working conditions and/or health risk areas are ONLY in departments that build Apple’s products?

Yep, because Apple is the only company that really matters. These idiotic trolls confirm that every time they come to this and other Apple pro boards.
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Yep, because Apple is the only company that really matters. These idiotic trolls confirm that every time they come to this and other Apple pro boards.

urrr... since Apple is the only company that really matters therefore Foxconn incorporates poor working conditions and/or health risk in Apple manufacturing facilities?
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Hopefully there are! Imagine the amount you could get for a finger on eBay!

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Hopefully there aren't any body parts in the box it comes in.

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Yeah, maybe we should go back to pre-indtustrial age life -- where the streets were paved with animal feces and the average life-span was 30-40.

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this nice kind person needs to learn some humanity >>> magic


apple has nothing to do with this sad happening.

some people here need a life


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in sunny red chinas dozens of slaves die every minute since 1949 . China is a very rough place , their coal; mines alone kill off thousands .

it would be nice to have a balanced talk here.
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Are you seriously arguing that Foxconns poor working conditions and/or health risk areas are ONLY in departments that build Apples products?

No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?
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You and Solipsism would defend Apple if Steve Jobs was caught sneaking into the place with a fucking bomb.

Anyone who doesn't sing the same song is a troll, or an idiot.

Bollocks son.

I've read many criticisms about Apple from anantksundaram (and all those other Apple Fanboys) over the years. The difference is he intelligently and rationally places blame without playing the Beach Blanket Buzzword Blame Game: Hypocrisy Edition.
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No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?

Try reading a website that doesn't revolve around Apple and you'll see that tragic things happens every day all around the world.
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Didn't you all jump on a poster for making jokes about the explosion the day the story broke? But it's okay now?

Hmmm, I guess timing is everything.

I was expecting pure, seething, mock outrage when I said it. Weird
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What part of "they need to do more to correct those problems" do you not understand?

Every time anyone brings anything up about conditions, deaths, quarterly results or anything to do with Foxconn, Apple is in the headline. Apple isn't the only company that does business with Foxconn. The problems at "iPad2 production plant" are problems at EVERY plant Foxconn owns. Problems are NOT unique to Apple products. Do you understand now?? I didn't think so......

No Apple isn't the only company Foxconn does business with but I'm sure Apple is its biggest customer. Btw who's anyone? And how do you know there's problems at EVERY plant? Are you assuming that because one factory is f'd up to work in then they all must be?
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Try reading a website that doesn't revolve around Apple and you'll see that tragic things happens every day all around the world.

Oh I most certainly do. I like this site because the discussions for the most part are well thought out, and well written. The commenters on those other sites act like 10 yr olds.
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Oh I most certainly do. I like this site because the discussions for the most part are well thought out, and well written. The commenters on those other sites act like 10 yr olds.

On that we certainly agree. AI's forum participants are best in class, save for a few.
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No of course not, it just seems like all the mishaps occur at Apple's production facilities. And why is that I wonder. Is it because someone's trying to vilify Apple or are Apple's production requests the cause of it?

...has something to with the reporting of ANYTHING related to Apple. Let alone the natural concentration that results from being on an Apple oriented weblog. Now, if you allow your perceptions to be so easily manipulated by the media agenda, no wonder you are in such acute pain over this.

Let me make sure you understand my point - since Apple intrinsically has a very public interest value, it is therefore in any media outlet's best interest to make sure that coverage is provided, in order to capture page hits and subscriber interest for their advertisers. More so than most other tech companies. Since this is the case, Apple sees inordinately high media interest in ANYTHING even remotely associated with it's products or activities. THEREFORE you, as a passive and uncritical media consumer are subject to this prioritization of Apple related feeds, and results in you naturally being confused about things.
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The truth is ugly, isn't it?

No just that magicj is a particularly annoying and not very bright troll.

I mean he doesn't even make sense. Foxconn workers have to endure ... "worse conditions than any American slaves endured?" WTF? Does he realise what an idiotic statement that is? Does he realise how many other, similarly idiotic statements he makes?

It's like arguing with a two year old. Insults, made up facts, and hyperbole.
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On that we certainly agree. AI's forum participants are best in class, save for a few.

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