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A new rumor claims that Apple's next-generation mobile operating system, iOS 5, won't run on the iPhone 3GS first released in 2009 and still sold as the entry-level iPhone.

The claims stem from a Twitter post from Mobile-Review.com editor Eldar Murtazin, which was first discovered by MacStories. If true, it would mean that those who take advantage of the current $49 U.S. price of the iPhone 3GS could be out of luck with iOS 5 launches.

"Just one comment," Murtazin wrote. "Apple iPhone 3Gs wont be upgradable to iOS 5.x. iPhone 4 will."

That would be a change from last year, when iOS 4 was ported to the iPhone 3G, a device that first became available in 2008. While iPhone 3G users were able to upgrade to iOS 4, the software still had missing features due to the slower hardware, like multitasking and background wallpaper.

But iOS 4 on the iPhone 3G had its share of problems. In late July, Apple was compelled to publicly respond after iPhone 3G users reported performance issues with iOS 4.

iOS 4.1, released last September, showed improvements in speed and performance, and they were boosted again in November with the release of iOS 4.2. However, starting with iOS 4.3, iPhone 3G users have not had access to the latest software updates.



Murtazin incorrectly reported in December that Apple would add a USB port to its next-generation iPad. The iPad 2 launched in March, and retained the same 30-pin iPod dock connector as its primary input method.

While the iPhone 4 is Apple's most popular handset, the iPhone 3GS is still a strong seller for the company. Earlier this month, it was revealed that the iPhone 3GS often outsells new, competing handsets that run the Google Android mobile operating system.
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I would be surprised if most of the regulars here ever expected the 3GS to be fully-supported with iOS5. Rather than have to deal with older hardware (ala Microsoft), Apple historically only fully supports the current and next oldest previous version of it's iPhones hasn't it? Two gen's back would be unusual for Apple.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

A new rumor claims that Apple's next-generation mobile operating system, iOS 5, won't run on the iPhone 3GS first released in 2009 and still sold as the entry-level iPhone....

Apple has been really clear on their policy in regards updates though and the 3Gs doesn't make the bar, so no one should really *expect* iOS 5 to run on a 3Gs.

That being said, I bet even if it isn't officially supported that it will still work on a 3Gs.
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iOS 4 should not even run on 3GS

All the older models i've seen running the iOS 4 makes the experience of having an Apple product not what it should be.
post #5 of 71
Not shocked at all.

2 year contract... 2 years of updates. That's actually pretty generous in this fast-paced tech world.

While you won't get the latest features in your old phone... it's still gonna be as magical as the day you bought it.

It could be worse... Apple could pull an "Old Yeller" and brick your phone after 2 years...
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iOS 4 should not even run on 3GS

All the older models i've seen running the iOS 4 makes the experience of having an Apple product not what it should be.

I couldn't agree more. Having been running iOS 4 on my 3G has made me very very unhappy with how often it just grinds to a halt. Just very chunky. That all goes away the end of this week when I get my new phone, but of course I am now compelled to wait until September for the iPhone 5.
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Apple has been really clear on their policy in regards updates though and the 3Gs doesn't make the bar, so no one should really *expect* iOS 5 to run on a 3Gs.

That being said, I bet even if it isn't officially supported that it will still work on a 3Gs.

On the contrary, Apple has always supported their phones to upgrade 2 operating systems forward. So for the original iPhone, it ran iOS3, but nothing beyond. Though iOS4 was scaled down for the 3G, it still ran a version of the OS. As a 3GS owner I'd be really dissapointed if there was no support at all. Apple's position on supporting it's products back 2 gens is something that really separates them for Android phones...Many of which are sold already a generation behind with no option to upgrade.

Like with iOS4, please included at least a scaled down version for 3GS users... Customer satisfaction is everything to Apple!
post #8 of 71
Are you sure it is the 3GS and not the 3G? I don't see Apple skipping updates to iOS 5 on both the 3G and the 3GS. Maybe the 3G.
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I couldn't agree more. Having been running iOS 4 on my 3G has made me very very unhappy with how often it just grinds to a halt. Just very chunky. That all goes away the end of this week when I get my new phone, but of course I am now compelled to wait until September for the iPhone 5.

I disagree....Though iPhone 4's are certainly much "snappier" in OS animations, my 3GS runs iOS4 fine... The ability to mutitask and use an external keyboard is critical to me, I certainly wouldn't trade that for a snappier version of iOS3....
post #10 of 71
I would not be surprised. They already dropped OS support for the second gen touch and 3G, the 3GS was next on the cutting block. What sucks is that the 8GB Touch that was sold last year was 2'nd gen hardware so it was quickly obsolete.
post #11 of 71
My 3GS is already unable to cope with "Personal Hotspot" as well as the iPhone4 can. With the 3GS you can only share with 1 device at a time, as opposed to the 4 or 5 you can share with using the iPhone4.

Planned obsolesence gives you a valid-sounding reason to tell your spouse when they want to know why you *need* to upgrade
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I couldn't agree more. Having been running iOS 4 on my 3G has made me very very unhappy with how often it just grinds to a halt. Just very chunky. That all goes away the end of this week when I get my new phone, but of course I am now compelled to wait until September for the iPhone 5.

I've never had a problem with iOS4 on my 3Gs
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iOS 4 should not even run on 3GS

All the older models i've seen running the iOS 4 makes the experience of having an Apple product not what it should be.

Exactly. I don't think most people care which version of the os they run. I had the original g3 and even though I had ios4 it didn't improve my experience. On the contrary. I half expect my ip4 to suddenly become 'old' when I upgrade to iOS5. Unless the new os has features that are important and badly needed / wanted, I would advice people not to upgrade.
post #14 of 71
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iOS 4 should not even run on 3GS

All the older models i've seen running the iOS 4 makes the experience of having an Apple product not what it should be.

I would never trade my 3GS running iOS4 for one running iOS3. One major OS update is certainly a reasonable expectation, but given how well the 3G runs iOS4 (not well at all) I can see why they'd want to limit it to one major OS update.
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Unlike the iPhone 3G, which always had serious performance issues, there is virtually no difference in performance between the 3GS and the 4.

While there are real technical issues that prevent, say, multitasking on the old 3G, there would be no reason that iOS 5 would not run just as well on the 3GS as the 4. Any decision to not support the 3GS is purely arbitrary.
post #16 of 71
1) This is good news if true if one makes the logical step to infer IOS 5.0 will be a major overhaul.

1+) I remember a year ago when iOS 4.0 was announced and some people claimed Apple removed features from the iPhone 3G update to force users to buy a new iPhone, not because the features were more resource intensive. Later when some units were severely impaired by the update they claimed it was done on purpose to force users to by a new iPhone. I bet now they’ll claim iOS 5.0 would run just fine on the 3GS but Apple excluded it force users to by a new iPhone.
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On the contrary, Apple has always supported their phones to upgrade 2 operating systems forward. So for the original iPhone, it ran iOS3, but nothing beyond. Though iOS4 was scaled down for the 3G, it still ran a version of the OS. As a 3GS owner I'd be really dissapointed if there was no support at all. Apple's position on supporting it's products back 2 gens is something that really separates them for Android phones...Many of which are sold already a generation behind with no option to upgrade.

Like with iOS4, please included at least a scaled down version for 3GS users... Customer satisfaction is everything to Apple!

I don't know when it was put down in stone, but their stated and written policy is that when you buy a device, you get all the point upgrades, the next full upgrade, and all the point upgrades for that.

So ... 2 OS versions (including the one it ships with), and all the updates for each is all that they promise.

I wouldn't worry. It will run on the 3Gs. It will be crap performance and it won't be supported necessarily, but it will run.
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Good.
Now bring the new iPhone already!
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Any decision to not support the 3GS is purely arbitrary.

There are aspects to the A4 we may not be aware of. For instance, aspects that are vital for iOS 5 or they dont want another iPhone 3G performance issue.

One thing we do know about the iPhone 3GS is that is only has 256MB RAM compare to the 512MB RAM in the iPhone 4. I think we safely assume the next iPhone will have at least 512MB RAM. I also think the RAM limitation is enough evidence to question your "purely arbitrary position.
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post #20 of 71
I hope this will only be a rumor. My iPhone 3GS works fine with iOS 4 (4.3.3). When iOS 4 debuted, the iPhone 3G, 3GS, and iPhone 4 was able to get it. I guessing when iOS 5 debuts, the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and the iPhone 4S/5 will be able to get it.
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Exactly. I don't think most people care which version of the os they run.

That is until you want to install a new app from the store...

Quite frankly do declare a three year old phone/computer out of date is despicable. If you get/buy the phone subsidizes fine....whatever. But if you pay full price, I think I should get some slack. Plus the most important feature they omitted from that last iteration of iOs for the 3G was tethering...
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I've never had a problem with iOS4 on my 3Gs

I have even reinstalled the OS fresh as recommended a few times. Perhaps it depends on the Apps you are using and what other things are running in the background.
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I would be surprised if most of the regulars here ever expected the 3GS to be fully-supported with iOS5. Rather than have to deal with older hardware (ala Microsoft), Apple historically only fully supports the current and next oldest previous version of it's iPhones hasn't it? Two gen's back would be unusual for Apple.

Exactly. Hey, I think it would be cool to run OSX on a Mac Plus, too, but that just ain't gonna happen. Let's move ahead!
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Unlike the iPhone 3G, which always had serious performance issues, there is virtually no difference in performance between the 3GS and the 4.

I don't see how there could be no performance difference when they are quite differently speced devices.

- 3Gs has a 600 Mhz A8 (stock ARM chip) and 256 MB of RAM
- 4 has an 800 Mhz A4 (custom SoC), and 512 of RAM

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... there would be no reason that iOS 5 would not run just as well on the 3GS as the 4. Any decision to not support the 3GS is purely arbitrary.

I think you are way overstating things here. The devices in question aren't that different, but they aren't identical either.

it seems to me that you're imagining a conspiracy type situation here that you actually have no evidence to support.
post #26 of 71
Lots of clueless posts here, I'm sorry to say. Two important points:

1. the 3GS is way faster than the 3G (some people seem to be confusing the two)

2. Apple will still be selling the 3GS when iOS 5 is announced (and possibly even when it is released). So in that very important sense, the 3GS is not out of date.

I find it very hard to believe that Apple would exclude the 3GS from iOS 5 due to both of these facts, but especially #2. Apple would be giving Google and the Android makers a PR gift if they excluded a phone they are currently selling from running the newest version of iOS.
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While iPhone 3G users were able to upgrade to iOS 4, the software still had missing features due to the slower hardware, like multitasking and background wallpaper.

Why would features like wallpapers and orientation locking require faster hardware and thus be unavailable on an iPhone 3G? One would think that being able to lock the screen orientation would benefit phones with slower hardware since they would not have to keep rotating the screen when the user moved the phone.
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I think it's fine to make a new version of the OS but they should at least make sure that the final version for each previous phone is one that runs that phone very well. I don't need a replacement for my iPhone 3G yet, but it lacks a decent OS.

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Why would features like wallpapers and orientation locking require faster hardware and thus be unavailable on an iPhone 3G? One would think that being able to lock the screen orientation would benefit phones with slower hardware since they would not have to keep rotating the screen when the user moved the phone.

Steve Jobs already answered the wallpaper issue which i have you feeling you are well aware.
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iOS 4 should not even run on 3GS

All the older models i've seen running the iOS 4 makes the experience of having an Apple product not what it should be.

That's it. If it's not going to make the phone better, then it shouldn't go on.

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Lots of clueless posts here, I'm sorry to say. Two important points:

1. the 3GS is way faster than the 3G (some people seem to be confusing the two)

2. Apple will still be selling the 3GS when iOS 5 is announced (and possibly even when it is released). So in that very important sense, the 3GS is not out of date.

I find it very hard to believe that Apple would exclude the 3GS from iOS 5 due to both of these facts, but especially #2. Apple would be giving Google and the Android makers a PR gift if they excluded a phone they are currently selling from running the newest version of iOS.

No kidding. Adding to your comments:

1. Eldar Murtazin is an experienced Nokia/Symbian blogger. Apple? Not so much. He's got nothing.

2. The only way the 3GS can't run iOS 5.0 is due to RAM, otherwise the CPU is only about 25% slower (600 MHz to ~800 MHz) and the GPU is exactly the same. I really really doubt iOS 5 can't be run on 256 MB RAM systems as that is the amount on the iPad 1 and the iPod touch 4.

3. Yes, the 3GS is way faster than the 3G. It's CPU is about 2x faster, the GPU is way faster and the RAM is 2x as much.

4. I do believe some iOS 5 "tentpole" features may not be made available on the 3GS like personal hotspot in 4.3, but it will get most of the iOS 5 updates big features.
post #33 of 71
We'll see how this plays out. If I had a 3Gs, I would much rather not get iOS 5 support than get the poor support that Apple gave the 3G for iOS4. Because of the excessive sluggishness, I only keep the 3G as a backup, I really don't relish the idea of using it as a primary device. It was slower without any reason to be slower, because there weren't any new features.

That said, those not on the latest OS have been historically cut off from the iOS App Store. Those that bought the 3Gs recently may be out of luck, but we'll have to see how this plays out.
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That said, those not on the latest OS have been historically cut off from the iOS App Store. Those that bought the 3Gs recently may be out of luck, but we'll have to see how this plays out.

That would be discouraging to have bought a 3GS this year just to excluded from many App Store options by the end of the year and still have a contract going into 2013.
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My 3GS is already unable to cope with "Personal Hotspot" as well as the iPhone4 can. With the 3GS you can only share with 1 device at a time, as opposed to the 4 or 5 you can share with using the iPhone4.

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No kidding. Adding to your comments:

1. Eldar Murtazin is an experienced Nokia/Symbian blogger. Apple? Not so much. He's got nothing.

2. The only way the 3GS can't run iOS 5.0 is due to RAM, otherwise the CPU is only about 25% slower (600 MHz to ~800 MHz) and the GPU is exactly the same. I really really doubt iOS 5 can't be run on 256 MB RAM systems as that is the amount on the iPad 1 and the iPod touch 4.

3. Yes, the 3GS is way faster than the 3G. It's CPU is about 2x faster, the GPU is way faster and the RAM is 2x as much.

4. I do believe some iOS 5 "tentpole" features may not be made available on the 3GS like personal hotspot in 4.3, but it will get most of the iOS 5 updates big features.

Exactly. I'd be pretty shocked if they dropped the 3Gs considering it's actively being sold right now, handles GL ES 2.0 quite well, and is pretty close to iPhone4 in general CPU speed - and fill rate. Hell, you can enable 4x AA on it and get graphics that look pretty decent compared to an iPhone 4 - the 4 is already burning its fill rate on the 4x higher screen resolution.

So, maybe some features will be left off, but hopefully they don't pull an Android on it. Imagine buying your new Apple phone and finding out 2 weeks later that Apple's new OS won't run on it. It just doesn't sound correct as a rumor - you may as well say they're dropping iPad 1 support at the same time. It's all possible, but not likely.
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... Imagine buying your new Apple phone and finding out 2 weeks later that Apple's new OS won't run on it. It just doesn't sound correct as a rumor - you may as well say they're dropping iPad 1 support at the same time. It's all possible, but not likely.

Anyone know what OS is on a 3Gs today if you buy one?

Apple's policy talks about upgrades based on the OS version on the device when you buy it. If they are selling 3Gs's with iOS 4 installed, there's a very good argument to be made for enabling upgrades to iOS 5.0.

If on the other hand it comes out of the box with 3.0 and has to be upgraded, that's a message right there.
post #38 of 71
Dear Apple,

Let's not fragment the iOS user base by leaving iPhone 3GS users without at least some subset of iOS 5 features. I mean, I have a 4, but c'mon. If you're going force obsolescence of hardware this aggressively, you might as well sell perpetual hardware subscriptions.

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2. The only way the 3GS can't run iOS 5.0 is due to RAM, otherwise the CPU is only about 25% slower (600 MHz to ~800 MHz) and the GPU is exactly the same. I really really doubt iOS 5 can't be run on 256 MB RAM systems as that is the amount on the iPad 1 and the iPod touch 4.

Interesting comparison since the original iPhone is identical to the iPhone 3G, save for its 2G radio, yet it "can't run" iOS 4. Unfortunately, the line Apple draws is arbitrary, and though they may give a technically-based explanation, it doesn't have to make technical sense. It rarely does. Take the lack of home screen wallpapers on the 3G, for instance.
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iOS 4 should not even run on 3GS

All the older models i've seen running the iOS 4 makes the experience of having an Apple product not what it should be.

That is absolute BS! You have no idea what you are talking about. iOS 4 runs great on the 3Gs.
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