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After Google unveiled the Google Wallet Near Field Communication mobile payment service on Thursday, eBay and subsidiary PayPal filed a lawsuit alleging the project's team lead stole trade secrets to create the service.

Mountain View, Calif.-based Google showed off the new mobile payment Android app at an event in New York City Thursday. Google Wallet utilizes virtual cards, such as a Google Prepaid Card, to 'tap to pay' via NFC technology.

CitiBank will participate as an early partner, as the service will support all Citi MasterCards at launch. Google Prepaid Cards can be topped up with any existing credit card. Eventually, the service will support loyalty cards, gift cards, receipts, boarding passes, tickets and even keys.

Google Wallet will launch first on the flagship Nexus S 4G on the Sprint network. Android boss Andy Rubin said last year that the Nexus S, which was co-developed by Google and Samsung, was "the lead device for the Gingerbread/Android 2.3 release."

MacNN reports that, within hours of the Google Wallet launch, eBay sued the search giant for allegedly using the company's trade secrets to build the technology. According to the complaint, Google Wallet project lead Osama Bedier was poached away from PayPal in the middle of negotiating a deal between the two companies.

"At the very point when the companies were negotiating and finalizing the Android-PayPal deal, Bedier was interviewing for a job at Google -- without informing PayPal of this conflicting position," eBay and PayPal said. Bedier allegedly brought to Google proprietary technical knowledge from PayPal, as well as knowledge of "major retailers," and tried to poach PayPal employees while at Google.

The lawsuit also alleges that former eBay executive Stephanie Tilenius breached a consulting contract with the company by joining Google as its VP of commerce a month before it finished.

As a competing virtual payment solution, Google Wallet resembles PayPal in several aspects. Google has yet to respond to the accusations. If the two companies are unable to reach a settlement and the lawsuit holds up in court, it could threaten the fledgling service.

Apple is expected to join the fray with its own NFC payment solution. Reports differ on whether the iPhone maker will add NFC functionality to its next generation smartphone. Earlier this month, one Wall Street research firm claimed Apple will not add a Radio Frequency Identification chip, while rumors swirled earlier in the year that Apple would include an NFC chip for an e-wallet service in the next-generation iPhone.

In April, Apple was awarded a patent for an RFID tag reader embedded within a touch panel to save space. According to analyst Brian White of Ticonderoga Securities, Apple is planning to utilize NFC with a "unique twist" beyond just e-wallet functionality.
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What?!? Google using other people's ideas? No way!!
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Way!

Evil genius.....
Anyhow, Google Checkout with NFC? Meh.

Seems to me the person in question is to blame as they didn't announce it. That lead guy and the other VP.
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Time to update the various "who is suing whom" diagrams to toss eBay in the mix. WTG eBay! And how long before Apple gets involved?

http://gizmodo.com/5656913/whos-suin...obile-industry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...patent-lawsuit
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It always has been like this.
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After Google unveiled the Google Wallet Near Field Communication mobile payment service on Thursday, eBay and subsidiary PayPal filed a lawsuit alleging the project's team lead stole trade secrets to create the service.

Mountain View, Calif.-based Google showed off the new mobile payment Android app at an event in New York City Thursday. Google Wallet utilizes virtual cards, such as a Google Prepaid Card, to 'tap to pay' via NFC technology.

CitiBank will participate as an early partner, as the service will support all Citi MasterCards at launch. Google Prepaid Cards can be topped up with any existing credit card. Eventually, the service will support loyalty cards, gift cards, receipts, boarding passes, tickets and even keys.

Google Wallet will launch first on the flagship Nexus S 4G on the Sprint network. Android boss Andy Rubin said last year that the Nexus S, which was co-developed by Google and Samsung, was "the lead device for the Gingerbread/Android 2.3 release."

MacNN reports that, within hours of the Google Wallet launch, eBay sued the search giant for allegedly using the company's trade secrets to build the technology. According to the complaint, Google Wallet project lead Osama Bedier was poached away from PayPal in the middle of negotiating a deal between the two companies.

"At the very point when the companies were negotiating and finalizing the Android-PayPal deal, Bedier was interviewing for a job at Google -- without informing PayPal of this conflicting position," eBay and PayPal said. Bedier allegedly brought to Google proprietary technical knowledge from PayPal, as well as knowledge of "major retailers," and tried to poach PayPal employees while at Google.

The lawsuit also alleges that former eBay executive Stephanie Tilenius breached a consulting contract with the company by joining Google as its VP of commerce a month before it finished.

As a competing virtual payment solution, Google Wallet resembles PayPal in several aspects. Google has yet to respond to the accusations. If the two companies are unable to reach a settlement and the lawsuit holds up in court, it could threaten the fledgling service.

Apple is expected to join the fray with its own NFC payment solution. Reports differ on whether the iPhone maker will add NFC functionality to its next generation smartphone. Earlier this month, one Wall Street research firm claimed Apple will not add a Radio Frequency Identification chip, while rumors swirled earlier in the year that Apple would include an NFC chip for an e-wallet service in the next-generation iPhone.

In April, Apple was awarded a patent for an RFID tag reader embedded within a touch panel to save space. According to analyst Brian White of Ticonderoga Securities, Apple is planning to utilize NFC with a "unique twist" beyond just e-wallet functionality.


there is NO way this is theft. IF ebay/paypal think they are the first get a fracking grip. they have had this system in Japan for years now. people load money in th esame way to their phone and use it for purchasing at stores and vending machines also Ebay sucks anyways their corperate structure is built on how to screw everyone else.
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They stole copyrighted books. They stole android OS. They stole id's. They stole iPhone functionalities. That's what they do! And the financial institutions, like citi, well, they sleep with whoever they can. Google and the big banks are right at home with each other.
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I way aways be against paypal/ebay, by default. Go Google!
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Dude's name is 'Osama'?? Priceless!
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there is NO way this is theft. IF ebay/paypal think they are the first get a fracking grip.

They aren't claiming they were first. THey are claiming that Google hired key personnel from ebay and paypal who had knowledge of deals in the works etc and used that knowledge to benefit Google while perhaps at the same time hurting the other companies.

Which is tacky and a legal no-no
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there is NO way this is theft. IF ebay/paypal think they are the first get a fracking grip. they have had this system in Japan for years now. people load money in th esame way to their phone and use it for purchasing at stores and vending machines also Ebay sucks anyways their corperate structure is built on how to screw everyone else.

They have had airplanes for years as well.

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybe...anchCharge.htm

If true, these things can stop the service dead in its tracks.
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*shocked*
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Every engineer in the world should collaborate together and build the best for humanity, not competing and suing each other like it would benefit anyone at all.
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Google stole again! Yeah!!!!!
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Every engineer in the world should collaborate together and build the best for humanity, not competing and suing each other like it would benefit anyone at all.

yeah and if you find a workable model of how to do this on a global scale give me a ring, we might have to wait a few millennia though for us to evolve to this.
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yeah and if you find a workable model of how to do this on a global scale give me a ring, we might have to wait a few millennia though for us to evolve to this.

The solution is available, and any idea to make the world a better place is radical and is usually attacked by mainstream culture.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/
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there is NO way this is theft. IF ebay/paypal think they are the first get a fracking grip. they have had this system in Japan for years now. people load money in th esame way to their phone and use it for purchasing at stores and vending machines also Ebay sucks anyways their corperate structure is built on how to screw everyone else.

It's not a matter of being first. The allegations are simple and straight forward.

1. Stephanie Tilenius breached her contractual obligations by hiring Osama Bedier.

2. Osama Bedier misappropriated PayPal technology and knowledge of negotiations with banks.

Lawsuit -> http://www.ebayinc.com/assets/pdf/fa...PayPal_DOC.pdf

If these allegations are proven true, Stephanie, Osama and Google have a serious problem.

Time will tell.
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Rendering 3D models in Vue is going to end world hunger?

There's a lot of reading materials to explain the whole process in the website. You stopped at the 3D models.
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Google is taking shortcuts to maintain their presence instead of investing in R&D, who does that sound like?
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Every engineer in the world should collaborate together and build the best for humanity, not competing and suing each other like it would benefit anyone at all.

Do lawyers count as "anyone at all"?
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Bad enough that Google has its greasy fingers in your web browsing and email but to give them access to your purchase history is a step too far.
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The solution is available, and any idea to make the world a better place is radical and is usually attacked by mainstream culture.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Its like the Star Trek future. Of course to get there you have to destroy half of humanity in a world war and then be visited by Vulcans.
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Google is taking shortcuts to maintain their presence instead of investing in R&D, who does that sound like?

As opposed to Apple buying companies for their technology? Like Lala and Cover Flow? All tech companies do it. Likewise tech companies poach staff from each other.

Get off the high horse that Apple is some sort of saint in the tech industry. That goes for everone else in this thread as well.
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Get off the high horse that Apple is some sort of saint in the tech industry. That goes for everone else in this thread as well.

Get off yours that Google isn't some sort of criminal, and more evil than most.
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Get off the high horse that Apple is some sort of saint in the tech industry. That goes for everone else in this thread as well.

I didn't see anyone here claiming Apple is a saint. The only one on high horse seems to be Google with "don't be evil" mantra.
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Stealing copying things into endless beta...it's what google does best.
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Rendering 3D models in Vue is going to end world hunger?

Uh, no, did you not look at the page at all? If you look closely, you'll see there are no people in any of those scenes - no people, no world hunger. It's that easy! Though I'd like to believe that underwater apartments and flying cars would fix it too...
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Time to update the various "who is suing whom" diagrams to toss eBay in the mix. WTG eBay! And how long before Apple gets involved?

http://gizmodo.com/5656913/whos-suin...obile-industry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...patent-lawsuit

Ha!

When we had the computer stores in Silicon Vally, the "in thing" was to wear the latest T-Shirts related to tech companies.

My wife prided herself wearing them as the latest-greatest fashion.

These 2 would make great T-shirts -- and they'd need to be re-issued every week!


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As opposed to Apple buying companies for their technology? Like Lala and Cover Flow? All tech companies do it. Likewise tech companies poach staff from each other.

Get off the high horse that Apple is some sort of saint in the tech industry. That goes for everone else in this thread as well.

"Buying" versus "stealing", there is a difference.

Apple buys companies because either 1) It's more cost effective than building ground up 2) The company has an unique set of patents that cya Apple's current portfolio and/or future products.
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Stealing copying things into endless beta...it's what google does best.

Exactly! "Copying things into endless beta," that should be the updated definition of 'to google'.
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It's not a matter of being first. The allegations are simple and straight forward.

1. Stephanie Tilenius breached her contractual obligations by hiring Osama Bedier.

2. Osama Bedier misappropriated PayPal technology and knowledge of negotiations with banks.

Lawsuit -> http://www.ebayinc.com/assets/pdf/fa...PayPal_DOC.pdf

If these allegations are proven true, Stephanie, Osama and Google have a serious problem.

Time will tell.


Exactly, this is what people are missing this is not about what google did but individuals who worked for them. When a person leaves a competitor the company who hires them have to be careful that person is not using trade secrets or specific knowledge they gain only at their previous company at the new company.

Many times when a person leaves a company with this kind of knowledge is told and required to sign something they makes them aware they have knowledge they are not allow to use or share with a competitor.

I am personally seeing a trend with people who obviously do not understand how US companies run and the value of that company's IP and know how. These people feel it is theirs to do with how they like. We are seeing more and more instances where theses people are taking or using information which is not really theirs and trying to profit from it.

All I can say if this person at google knowingly use information they gained while at paypal/ebay they could be in some serious trouble and the Silicon Valley is small and this guy could be black balled and no one will want to hire them. So they are just an idiot.
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there is NO way this is theft. IF ebay/paypal think they are the first get a fracking grip. they have had this system in Japan for years now. people load money in th esame way to their phone and use it for purchasing at stores and vending machines also Ebay sucks anyways their corperate structure is built on how to screw everyone else.

Wow. Another person who has no concept of the legal issues involved yet insists on blathering his ignorance for the world to see.

If the allegations are true, then Google has a huge problem. It has nothing to do with who was first - it's all about misappropriation of trade secrets.

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The solution is available, and any idea to make the world a better place is radical and is usually attacked by mainstream culture.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Where 'attacked by mainstream culture' really means 'the majority of people want to be paid for their efforts and that is why capitalism works'.

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As opposed to Apple buying companies for their technology? Like Lala and Cover Flow? All tech companies do it. Likewise tech companies poach staff from each other.

So you don't understand the difference between buying and stealing?

Amazing.

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Get off the high horse that Apple is some sort of saint in the tech industry. That goes for everone else in this thread as well.

Apple's not the one with a 'Do no evil' slogan. And Apple doesn't have a history of being caught red handed in one intellectual property theft after another.
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Wow. Another person who has no concept of the legal issues involved yet insists on blathering his ignorance for the world to see.

If the allegations are true, then Google has a huge problem. It has nothing to do with who was first - it's all about misappropriation of trade secrets.



Where 'attacked by mainstream culture' really means 'the majority of people want to be paid for their efforts and that is why capitalism works'.



So you don't understand the difference between buying and stealing?

Amazing.



Apple's not the one with a 'Do no evil' slogan. And Apple doesn't have a history of being caught red handed in one intellectual property theft after another.


I think you are pointing at serious problem: There is a culture among many computer geeks that music, computer games, books etc should be for free and that the main challenge in getting a degree at university is not getting caught when copying other people's works.

We now have a part of a generation who believe stealing is only limited to physical objects and that IP is for free. It really gets absurd when a possible theft is compared to acquiring a company to broaden your IP basis.
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Google is single handily gutting the CE industry. Google TV was an absolute joke. And, Android is going to complete suck out all the profits in the mobile space. I think Nokia may have made the right move by doing something completely different and aligning with a partner with vested interest.

Now with NFC, Google fucks it up right of the gate by getting sued by eBay. This is going to go now where. Just like Google Music. It looks like they have zero business ethics in how they went about hiring the team that just launched the product. Zero.

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Ha!

When we had the computer stores in Silicon Vally, the "in thing" was to wear the latest T-Shirts related to tech companies.

My wife prided herself wearing them as the latest-greatest fashion.

These 2 would make great T-shirts -- and they'd need to be re-issued every week!


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Looks like a badass game of Free For All in Halo.
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Now apple has to at least build the NFC capability into the iPhone. If wallet takes off apple then could just enable the NFC chip like they did with blue tooth on the iPod Touch 2G. If it tankes, gets hacked etc, apple will have more time to work out the deals and introduce it right, like they did with multitasking and copy and paste.
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post #37 of 57
I'd just like to point out to those of you arguing over which company is "evil" that PayPal is notorious for freezing accounts and refusing to release customer's money, among countless other horror stories.

If the allegations are true, Google done fucked up. But I don't have any pity for eBay/PayPal as they are one of the most "evil" corporations around and deserve to suffer. Screw 'em.
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They aren't claiming they were first. THey are claiming that Google hired key personnel from ebay and paypal who had knowledge of deals in the works etc and used that knowledge to benefit Google while perhaps at the same time hurting the other companies.

Which is tacky and a legal no-no

Google is going to get the book thrown at them in court. This is so bad on so many levels. Google is going to pay a hefty fee for this assuming this is true. If/When they loose I wonder if the judgement is going to be spectacular.
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Every engineer in the world should collaborate together and build the best for humanity, not competing and suing each other like it would benefit anyone at all.

And every doctor should work without compensation.

And every teacher should teach just for the love of it.

And every ditch digger should be in the business only for the cardiovascular aspects.

And every ....

Let's remove every incentive people have for actually working.
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The solution is available, and any idea to make the world a better place is radical and is usually attacked by mainstream culture.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Let me distill the essence of the solution down to one simple concept.

We need to get rid of 80% of the people on this planet so the remaining 20% will have a better life.

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