[quote]Originally posted by I Have Questions:
I did, in fact, tell everyone on this board that my cousin works for Motorola and that he provided me with some pretty reliable information regarding the G5. It's on an earlier thread titled "My cousin works for Moto" or something like that. Look it up. The consensus from long-time readers of this board was that I was being accurate and truthful, although I obviously have no way to prove that (until next January, that is). However, the reputation of the people who stand by my reports, combined with my own reputation as an honest and straight-forward poster on this board should count for something. You can make up your own mind - quite frankly, I don't care what you think about my credibility, since I don't know you and probably never will. My credibility really only concerns me when it comes to dealing with my wife and friends.
Well, having looked at that thread now, I can conclude this: you probably believe your cousin. Your cousin probably believes he knows. The only reason why the AI crew believes you is because people with fake info are usually optimistic. Because your info is pessimistic, it intrisically seems more believable. I'm not saying it's false. I'm not saying you're lying. I believe that you believe what you say. However, your cousin's connections with the group of people theoretically working on the "G5" are barely less tenuous than a random person off the street. So, he may indeed have access to some inside information... but you also need to remember that the G4 crew is, we have been told, not the same people as the G5 crew. The people working on the G4 may well know a lot about the future of the G4, but may know nothing at all about the G5. This does not require any kind of strange conspiracy theory... they are just different teams working on different projects. Motorola is a very, very big company, even with all the recent layoffs...
You are also making the mistake made over and over by the pessimists here: assuming that as long as the G4 has room to grow, there will be no G5. Why do you make this assumption? The G3 was nowhere near maxed out when the G4 was announced. Why should this transition be different? It is a very, very common argument that goes like this: "See, it says here the G4 still has a lot of life left in it. Therefore, there is no G5." This is not a logical conclusion. Would it have been accurate to say, in 1999 that the G3 "still has a lot of life left in it." That is would receive many tweaks and speedups over a long period of time? Of course it would have... the iBook still uses a G3 to this day; IBM just announced a 1GHz G3. It absolutely does not follow that just because the G4 team at Moto is proud of the tweaks and speedups coming down the pike, that there is no G5 team proud of their upcoming day in the sun.
In conclusion, I have seen no concrete evidence that the G5 is not coming out this year. I have seen no *concrete* evidence that it *is* coming out this year. I have, however, seen the statement by Apple that no new computers (note, perhaps he was using the terms interchangeably later, but the exact quote about "some months" used CPUs) for "some months to come" which very clearly implies that some months from now, there will be new CPUs (or computers, I suppose). In the lack of other clear evidence, and given the vast volume of somewhat-uncredible rumors, I conclude the G5 is, in fact, coming out this year. It may not be MWNY, it may be a special event in the Fall, but "some months" does not mean "Eleven months" to me, which rules out MWSF '03. Your cousin's information, while fascinating, has little bearing on the issue. And if I'm wrong, I promise I won't be suprised.
There is absolutely no reason to believe that the G5 will appear before next year except the eternal hope that Apple will catch up in the hardware race. Frankly, as long as they don't drop off the map, anything is fine with me as long as it doesn't run Windows. The comments reported today by Motorola concerning the longevity of the G4 combined with Apple's comments yesterday only strenghten the assertion that the "killer" hardware that everyone is hoping for won't appear until next year, but that steady progress will be made throughout the year with the G4. (FWIW, all of this is exactly what I reported from my cousin last month.)
Well, except your cousin claimed Apollo's were coming in March or April; it has been unequivocally stated that the 7455 *is*, in fact, Apollo, so he was getting at least marginally inaccurate info from his friends. For what it's worth, that Motorola info from yesterday is highly unreliable. It seems to be based on an outdated and subsequently replaced roadmap that claimed the 7500 would be the G5. The reference to the 7500 was later removed. At any rate, the description given there of the 7500 is very clearly a description of what *I* (being that I follow Darwin-dev) always expected the G5 to be. That is to say, everything other people thought it was, minus the part about being 64-bit. So, calling the 7500 a "G4" is the same as calling the Apollo a "G5" like people thought Apple might. What I mean by "G5" is the MPC7500.
Maybe there would have been much less argument if I'd made that clear earlier...
I do think that people are letting mass hysteria and unfounded hype get them carried away. Again, I'm getting tired of these boards and the unreasonable posts found on them. My only interest in posting what I believe to be the truth is to perhaps persuade a few people to think rationally and calmly so that they won't get swept away with careless rumors and have their hopes deflated with every passing Apple event without the announcement they've been expecting.</strong><hr></blockquote>
OK, here you're being very... well, very something bad. I'm not sure arrogant is the right word. If people's expectations are going to be burst by reality, why do you want to burst them early? What is gained by this? The only noticeable effect of premature-bubble-bursting around here is people get angrier with Apple and Moto. However, when reality bursts these bubbles, people don't get angry... they really don't. Case in point: the new iMac, not as earth-shattering as expected, but people are very happy. Another example: the new dual 1GHz PowerMacs. They *are*, in fact, selling very well. I suggest you let reality do it's job, and stop trying to help it. If people are swept away, they are swept away, and you are likely to be less gentle than reality, no matter what your intentions are. It is also possible to be completely rational and still disagree with you. You may want to consider that, as well.