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post #41 of 128
5/28/11 at 11:05pm
The only thing Samsung will get to "see" is Steve's middle finger
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post #42 of 128
5/28/11 at 11:09pm
Samsung also copied RIM and, a few years ago, NOKIA. My friend has one of this Samsung's look-alike Blackberry. I guess if they don't make WP7 they might copy that too. They're capable of engineering the devices but they just want the short cut I guess.

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post #43 of 128
5/28/11 at 11:11pm
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

@smitty5569

This is why Apple is suing Samsung...

Samsung even used a sunflower for their Gallery icon.

And why use a flower anyway? Samsung didn't even attempt to look for another icon for Gallery... that's about as lazy as you can get!


You forgot to mention that everything is just a little bit uglier too. You would think if they were that good at copying that something would be an improvement...
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post #44 of 128
5/28/11 at 11:52pm
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

Samsung is just too big to gobble up.

Its a conglomerate that produces 25% of the entire GDP of South Korea.



I'm sure apple would be delighted to be in the kitchen appliance business as well
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post #45 of 128
5/28/11 at 11:57pm
If Apple tries too hard, Apple will lose the Korea market, so I just don't think Apple wants to fight till the end. All these are just actions to try to have more leverage when negotiating a settlement.
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post #46 of 128
5/28/11 at 11:59pm
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

@smitty5569

This is why Apple is suing Samsung...

Samsung even used a sunflower for their Gallery icon.

And why use a flower anyway? Samsung didn't even attempt to look for another icon for Gallery... that's about as lazy as you can get!


Sorry, but that image is not exactly honest either. For one, that's not the messaging icon that samsung uses - its an open envelope. Look on the bottom 3rd icon on the galaxy S picture to see what I mean.

Of the remaining icons, the only ones that you could really make a case for is the Gallery and the phone. All the others are actually quite different, stylewise. Gears to represent settings is nothing unique, and the style of gear is completely different than the iPhone's. The notepad is of a different design, and the only thing similar about the contacts icon is that they both have a portrait.

Apple does have a case for the design of the app drawer on the Galaxy S phones, but I just don't see it when it comes to the icons themselves.
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post #47 of 128
5/29/11 at 12:24am
This sort of knee jerk reaction to Apple's request and victory will only make Samsung the laughing stock of the internet!

I would love to see Samsung's justification of why they need to see Apple's future products!
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post #48 of 128
5/29/11 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by ranReloaded View Post

The only thing Samsung will get to "see" is Steve's middle finger

The courts are going to laugh samsung off...

Apple is accusing Samsung of copying their products, and the preliminary evidence they have provided is pretty strong, which is why their request was accepted.

Samsung has never claimed Apple stole from them (and they have no evidence this is the case anyways) so there is no reason for them to receive advance units.

So freakin stupid.
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post #49 of 128
5/29/11 at 12:36am
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

Samsung even used a sunflower for their Gallery icon.

And why use a flower anyway? Samsung didn't even attempt to look for another icon for Gallery... that's about as lazy as you can get!

Samsung's sunflower is taken from their UI's default wallpaper. Samsung use a sunflower because it shows of the vibrancy of their OLED screens.
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post #50 of 128
5/29/11 at 12:51am
Be assured that Apple will merely send Samsung a PROTOTYPE which most likely will not reveal the new features of the next Iphone.
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post #51 of 128
5/29/11 at 1:09am
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

@smitty5569

This is why Apple is suing Samsung...

Samsung even used a sunflower for their Gallery icon.

And why use a flower anyway? Samsung didn't even attempt to look for another icon for Gallery... that's about as lazy as you can get!

I really love the sunflower! I wonder when Apple is going to bring the Sunflower to the dock of OSX. The current iPhoto icon in OSX looks very dated.
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post #52 of 128
5/29/11 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by majjo View Post


Sorry, but that image is not exactly honest either. For one, that's not the messaging icon that samsung uses - its an open envelope. Look on the bottom 3rd icon on the galaxy S picture to see what I mean.

Of the remaining icons, the only ones that you could really make a case for is the Gallery and the phone. All the others are actually quite different, stylewise. Gears to represent settings is nothing unique, and the style of gear is completely different than the iPhone's. The notepad is of a different design, and the only thing similar about the contacts icon is that they both have a portrait.

Apple does have a case for the design of the app drawer on the Galaxy S phones, but I just don't see it when it comes to the icons themselves.

I didn't make the graphics in my first post... thisismynext did.

As for Samsung... it's the sum of the parts. It's not just a couple icons... it's lots of little things.

HTC Sense and Motorola Blur look different enough, and Apple doesn't have a problem with stock Android either. But Samsung took the easy road... and Apple called them out on it.

Here's another image I found... and I pointed out the similarities. It's pretty obvious what Apple is talking about.

Really Samsung?

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post #53 of 128
5/29/11 at 1:37am
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

Yes and no. Apple's argument is that Samsung has made a definite practice of copying Apple's "Look and Feel" (which can and is trademarked). The judge is allowing their lawyers to see the not yet released products because if they look highly similar to Apple products that adds to the weight of the notion that it is a firm practice and not an accident.

Cheers for the explanation as this wasn't making much sense to me either. Although would still be difficult to argue with the somewhat damning evidence against them. Having so many similar looking phones devalues what Apple have tried to do in my eyes, and it will be interesting to see how successful the action they've taken against Samsung, HTC et al. will be as well as how they can stay ahead with future OS and hardware revisions.
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post #54 of 128
5/29/11 at 1:39am
Samsung just won the Most Wishful Thinking award of 2011.
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post #55 of 128
5/29/11 at 1:40am
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

I didn't make the graphics in my first post... thisismynext did.

As for Samsung... it's the sum of the parts. It's not just a couple icons... it's lots of little things.

HTC Sense and Motorola Blur look different enough, and Apple doesn't have a problem with stock Android either. But Samsung took the easy road... and Apple called them out on it.

Didn't Apple sue HTC for Sense among other things... doesn't quite strengthen your argument. Apple will try and get as much compensation as possible, regardless of how blatant the copying is. Just seems to be that Samsung is the worst offender. 'Stock Android' started the whole iPhone copying as many on the site will agree, Apple aren't suing Google perhaps on the technicality that Android is free -- hopefully someone can chime in to correct me on this one. That said, Microsoft aren't suing Google either (just HTC?) so it seems they're targeting the hardware manufacturers as they have a better chance doing this.
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post #56 of 128
5/29/11 at 1:48am
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Originally Posted by Mister Snitch View Post

If you hadn't posted the link, I would have. Hard to stomp out a lie, ain't it?

That's just the trick about "fabricated facts", frequently used in politics (mainly on the Right Wing).

Repeat a lie frequently enough and it becomes the truth...
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post #57 of 128
5/29/11 at 1:54am
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

I didn't make the graphics in my first post... thisismynext did.

As for Samsung... it's the sum of the parts. It's not just a couple icons... it's lots of little things.

HTC Sense and Motorola Blur look different enough, and Apple doesn't have a problem with stock Android either. But Samsung took the easy road... and Apple called them out on it.

Here's another image I found... and I pointed out the similarities. It's pretty obvious what Apple is talking about.

Really Samsung?


Right, like I said, Apple has a case going after the app drawer. Samsung definitely went to lengths to modify it from the default android's look and behavior to closely mimic iOS'.

What that graphic was suggesting was that the crux of the case lies with the similarities between the icons; I just don't think that's the right avenue of attack. Yes, some of the icons are similar, but they're different enough that I wouldn't consider them direct copies.
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post #58 of 128
5/29/11 at 1:57am
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Didn't Apple sue HTC for Sense among other things... doesn't quite strengthen your argument.

Apple sued HTC for 20 patents. But only a few were related to the interface... notably slide-to-unlock.

I don't really have to argue... that picture is pretty damning for Samsung...

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so it seems they're targeting the hardware manufacturers as they have a better chance doing this.

Of course Apple is gonna sue Samsung.... Samsung made TouchWiz that looks very similar to iOS.
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post #59 of 128
5/29/11 at 2:01am
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Originally Posted by Robodude View Post

Cheers for the explanation as this wasn't making much sense to me either. Although would still be difficult to argue with the somewhat damning evidence against them. Having so many similar looking phones devalues what Apple have tried to do in my eyes, and it will be interesting to see how successful the action they've taken against Samsung, HTC et al. will be as well as how they can stay ahead with future OS and hardware revisions.

There's only so much innovation that can be squeezed into any particular category of device, as witness the current stagnation on the PMP front (although the iPod Touch may beg to differ on that).

However, if the iPhone 4's sudden focus-switch onto hardware (retina display, thin form factor, cameras, battery etc) is anything to go by, Apple's follow-up with a mega software blitz, the details of which we are possibly on the verge of come the WWDC early next month, could be something to look forward to as a typical and classic switch manoeuvre.
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post #60 of 128
5/29/11 at 2:21am
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Originally Posted by majjo View Post


What that graphic was suggesting was that the crux of the case lies with the similarities between the icons; I just don't think that's the right avenue of attack. Yes, some of the icons are similar, but they're different enough that I wouldn't consider them direct copies.

Oh sorry... the lawsuit is much deeper than just icons. You can find a full analysis here: http://thisismynext.com/2011/04/19/a...sung-analysis/

But add up all the little things in that picture alone... red circles for notifications... AND dots between the springboard and drawer... AND a music icon that looks an awful lot like iTunes....

Samsung seems to have no imagination at all...
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post #61 of 128
5/29/11 at 2:25am
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

Apple sued HTC for 20 patents. But only a few were related to the interface... notably slide-to-unlock.

I don't really have to argue... that picture is pretty damning for Samsung...

Of course Apple is gonna sue Samsung.... Samsung made TouchWiz that looks very similar to iOS.

While they didn't claim look and feel against HTC there were quite a few admittedly confusing UI patents, the main one being object-orientated graphic system. I'd argue that Android looks similar to iOS and was Blackberry lite before the iPhone was introduced. Tweaks from Samsung, et al. are mainly derivative from Stock Android. So, as different as they try to make Android phones look, there's always going to be a base level of similarity to the iPhone.

I think the quote below sums up what I'm trying to get at:

"Apple's now seriously engaged in litigation with the two largest Android handset makers (HTC and Motorola), largely over OS-level patents. At some point Google has to get involved, if only to indemnify its partners against further liability for using Android, and we can't help but think Apple and Google are eventually bound to face off directly. Or perhaps not -- by suing Android handset makers, Apple's essentially putting a tax on Android without having to further muddy up its complex competitor / partner relationship with Google by adding in a major lawsuit."

Engadget - Apple countersues Motorola
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post #62 of 128
5/29/11 at 2:39am
/O\\ so everything on the internet isn't true ?!!!
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post #63 of 128
5/29/11 at 2:45am
Now is the time for fab plants to get their competing bids in to Apple. Let's say intel offered to take over chip production for Apple, Steve would jump ship to light a fire under Samsungs ass.

Likewise with display manufacture. These companies should be looking to get some Apple love on to steal the business away from samsung. Apple, being cash rich, are the best kind of customer to have.
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post #64 of 128
5/29/11 at 3:44am
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I suspect you do not know about market capitalization.

Samsung's market cap as of April/10 was $111B. I didn't see a more recent valuation in a quick Google search, but shouldn't be too hard to find.

BTW, It would be pretty tough for Apple to actually use that $60B in cash it has stashed. Much of it is is being kept overseas with no US taxes paid on it. Make a deal here that they need it for and now the US Government comes knocking for their piece.

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post #65 of 128
5/29/11 at 4:45am
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Samsung actually announced it in february 2007 and didn't release it until December. The iPhone would've been in planning way before that and was released in June. Just saying

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post #66 of 128
5/29/11 at 5:10am
Since when has any legal argument based on some concept of "Fundamental fairness" had anything to do with a verdict?

I don't know how good Samsung's engineers are but their lawyers are a joke.

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post #67 of 128
5/29/11 at 5:13am
First off the alleged similarity of the icons is the most frivolous part of this suit as Samsung can easily change those.

Let me ponder why I got a Samsung Galaxy SII...the Super Amoled Plus 4.3" screen.

Why didn't I get an iphone...well I don't like i-tunes and its restrictive DRM, plus the hand grip of death causes you to lose reception, plus the sim isn't interchangeable in case of emergency.

I don't hate Apple, I just hate the game they are playing.

I do love my Red Ipod Nano 3rd Gen.

Peace.
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post #68 of 128
5/29/11 at 5:40am
The both of them are dumb. Compete on the marketplace.
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post #69 of 128
5/29/11 at 5:57am
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The both of them are dumb. Compete on the marketplace.

It would appear tat you do not understand Competition 101. Come back and post some more when you do.
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post #70 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:04am
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First off the alleged similarity of the icons is the most frivolous part of this suit as Samsung can easily change those.

Let me ponder why I got a Samsung Galaxy SII...the Super Amoled Plus 4.3" screen.

Why didn't I get an iphone...well I don't like i-tunes and its restrictive DRM, plus the hand grip of death causes you to lose reception, plus the sim isn't interchangeable in case of emergency.

I don't hate Apple, I just hate the game they are playing.

I do love my Red Ipod Nano 3rd Gen.

Peace.

Wait, did you start an account just so you could tell everyone about how much you love your iPhone rip-off device? Hurray for not having anything important to add to the conversation!
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post #71 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:09am
A case of I'll show you mine if you show me yours?

Seriously I hope Apple don't get forced into this!
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post #72 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:20am
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It would appear tat you do not understand Competition 101. Come back and post some more when you do.

I did point out in the thread previous to this one that by doing this Apple would have it done to them. The legal eagles said it would never happen. It happened.
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post #73 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:27am
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I did point out in the thread previous to this one that by doing this Apple would have it done to them. The legal eagles said it would never happen. It happened.

What 'happened' other than: (i) your foul mouth; (ii) your trolling again?
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post #74 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:36am
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... I think the quote below sums up what I'm trying to get at:

"Apple's now seriously engaged in litigation with the two largest Android handset makers (HTC and Motorola), largely over OS-level patents. At some point Google has to get involved, if only to indemnify its partners against further liability for using Android, ..."

When was the last time Google indemnified anyone against anything? They aren't even willing to back up their very likely false claims that WebM isn't patent encumbered by indemnifying those who use it. Google is a parasite, and, just like most parasites, if one of their hosts dies, they'll just find a new one.
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post #75 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by drobforever View Post

If Apple tries too hard, Apple will lose the Korea market, so I just don't think Apple wants to fight till the end. All these are just actions to try to have more leverage when negotiating a settlement.

Let's see - lose the Korean market vs lose 1/2 of your business in the rest of the world? Hmmmm.


Of course, that even assumes that Apple would lose the Korean market. What makes you think that would be the case? In all likelihood, Apple betting the tar out of Samsung might reduce the iPhone's market share in Korea slightly, but not much.

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Samsung's market cap as of April/10 was $111B. I didn't see a more recent valuation in a quick Google search, but shouldn't be too hard to find.

BTW, It would be pretty tough for Apple to actually use that $60B in cash it has stashed. Much of it is is being kept overseas with no US taxes paid on it. Make a deal here that they need it for and now the US Government comes knocking for their piece.

Maybe you failed geography, but Samsung is a Korean company - which is outside the U.S. Apple could easily use their money for that.

And $60 B in cash is probably more than enough to buy Samsung. They could easily borrow a large chunk of the cost and could undoubtedly come up with more than enough.

Not that it would make any sense, but it's well within the realm of what Apple could accomplish.
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post #76 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:42am
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Let's see - lose the Korean market vs lose 1/2 of your business in the rest of the world? Hmmmm.


Of course, that even assumes that Apple would lose the Korean market. What makes you think that would be the case? In all likelihood, Apple betting the tar out of Samsung might reduce the iPhone's market share in Korea slightly, but not much.



Maybe you failed geography, but Samsung is a Korean company - which is outside the U.S. Apple could easily use their money for that.

And $60 B in cash is probably more than enough to buy Samsung. They could easily borrow a large chunk of the cost and could undoubtedly come up with more than enough.

Not that it would make any sense, but it's well within the realm of what Apple could accomplish.

Thanks for your tax expertise JrAgosta.

And gosh, Korea's not part of the US? Well darn it all.

Here's a link that will show you what's going on with foreign profits, Apple, and U.S. tax policy.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computi...ff-opposition/

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post #77 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:46am
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What 'happened' other than: (i) your foul mouth; (ii) your trolling again?

That would be you're.

I don't troll. Asking questions of Apple's tendency to over litigate is hardly a troll.
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post #78 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by Mister Snitch View Post

If you hadn't posted the link, I would have. Hard to stomp out a lie, ain't it?

Then you're as ignorant as he is. That image has been widely discredited. The dates are pure lies.
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post #79 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by AnagramForJustAStupidPerson View Post

First off the alleged similarity of the icons is the most frivolous part of this suit as Samsung can easily change those.

Then why didn't they change them from the outset instead of copying? Your argument makes no sense.

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Why didn't I get an iphone...well I don't like i-tunes and its restrictive DRM

iTunes has not had DRM for several years. Perhaps you need to check the calendar; your arguments from 2009 won't work anymore.

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plus the hand grip of death causes you to lose reception

Actually, no it doesn't. Your post is a 100% complete fail. Are you aware of anything?
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post #80 of 128
5/29/11 at 6:52am
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When was the last time Google indemnified anyone against anything? They aren't even willing to back up their very likely false claims that WebM isn't patent encumbered by indemnifying those who use it. Google is a parasite, and, just like most parasites, if one of their hosts dies, they'll just find a new one.

Hah! I like the analogy.
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