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When was the last time Google indemnified anyone against anything? They aren't even willing to back up their very likely false claims that WebM isn't patent encumbered by indemnifying those who use it. Google is a parasite, and, just like most parasites, if one of their hosts dies, they'll just find a new one.

Ask again in a month. I hear Lodgsys are at it again.

While colourful, it'd be good to see you justify your analogy. Who's the host?
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Originally Posted by neiltc13 View Post

I got a new Samsung phone not long ago - Omnia 7. It's a really nice device. It feels better than iPhone 4 in hand, has a better screen than iPhone 4 and unlike my previous iPhone 3GS, it can actually hold a signal in my house

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Originally Posted by Rothgarr View Post

smitty, have you read the facts about that image? (and how inaccurate it is):

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ung_first.html

That's hilarious -- these Android fanboys like smitty will believe any lies they're told.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

i got the pics from thisismynext.com

http://thisismynext.com/2011/04/19/a...sung-analysis/

Oh, thanks. I thought it was a new meme.

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Samsung copied Sharp as well. Sharp sued. Samsung countersued. Samsung agreed to settle after legal proceedings started going Sharp's way.

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Samsung also copied RIM and, a few years ago, NOKIA. My friend has one of this Samsung's look-alike Blackberry. I guess if they don't make WP7 they might copy that too. They're capable of engineering the devices but they just want the short cut I guess.
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Right, like I said, Apple has a case going after the app drawer. Samsung definitely went to lengths to modify it from the default android's look and behavior to closely mimic iOS'.

What that graphic was suggesting was that the crux of the case lies with the similarities between the icons; I just don't think that's the right avenue of attack. Yes, some of the icons are similar, but they're different enough that I wouldn't consider them direct copies.

They don't have to be direct copies for Apple to make its case. Of all the ways Samsung could represent the concept of "phone" and they chose white "classic telephone receiver" against a green background. Is Samsung going to argue that is the only way to depict a phone function? Or the notification badge that is a white number in a red circle with a white border in the top right corner of the icon... Is that the only way to depict notification? Surely it is not. If Samsung wanted to be original with their icons, they wouldn't look anything like these. I think Apple has a case for claiming that Samsung is trying to mimic iOS' look and feel.

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Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post

Why woulnd't that work the other way?

So many Apple fans here try to suggest that Samsung not only copied Apple's design, but managed to build a product from it it under a month.

Let's keep it real (yeah, I know, futile suggestion here in Doublestandardsland).

Huh? What are you talking about?
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image: http://www.designsojourn.com/wp-cont...1/rams-ive.jpg

You let us know how Dieter Rams’ lawsuit against Apple pans out but first tell us how these products compete with other. Most aren’t even in the same genre and none are in the same decade.

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Good design…
  1. Is innovative
  2. Makes a product useful
  3. Is aesthetic
  4. Makes a product understandable
  5. Is unobtrusive
  6. Is honest
  7. Is long-lasting
  8. Is thorough down to the last detail
  9. Is environmentally friendly
  10. Is as little design as possible

Dieter should sue Apple for stealing all 10 of his design principles.
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post #91 of 126
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Huh? What are you talking about?

Despite knowing better he’s trying to say that Apple is suing Samsung for the look and the feel of the F700, not for their newer HW and SW with the TouchWiz UI that creeps closer and closer to copying Apple’s design.
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post #92 of 126
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

Huh? What are you talking about?

He's just trolling.

Ignore him, and he'll go back to his slumber.
post #93 of 126
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Despite knowing better he’s trying to say that Apple is suing Samsung for the look and the feel of the F700, not for their newer HW and SW with the TouchWiz UI that creeps closer and closer to copying Apple’s design.

"let's keep it real".. priceless.
post #94 of 126
Just show 'em some throwaway prototype from 8 years back
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Originally Posted by glui2001 View Post

Just show 'em some throwaway prototype from 8 years back

Like this?
http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/rokr/

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

Like this?
http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/rokr/




That has the iPhone 5 covered. How about this for the iPad 3?

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Originally Posted by Robodude View Post

While colourful, it'd be good to see you justify your analogy. Who's the host?

If you were actually reading the thread, it should have been pretty obvious that in this context I was referring to the handset makers using Android, who are not going to be indemnified against anything by Google.
post #98 of 126
Please Nokia, Rim and everybody else, come on and join in!
Can I also see the next prototypes? Apple's iPhone looks like an old drawing of mine.

... This is just ridiculous.
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Then why didn't they change them from the outset instead of copying? Your argument makes no sense.

From my fairly simple-minded and widespread consumer standpoint I want all icons to be as familiar and simple to use as possible. I don't sit there and open them in MicroAngelo Icon Maker to appreciate them. Also from a business standpoint a picture icon is fairly easy to change for next to zero dollars.

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iTunes has not had DRM for several years. Perhaps you need to check the calendar; your arguments from 2009 won't work anymore.

Check again, the DRM is still very much there. Also 10 years prior to 2009 they had the same restrictive DRM. What does that tell me as a consumer....don't buy it.

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Actually, no it doesn't. Your post is a 100% complete fail. Are you aware of anything?

So your telling me I shouldn't read anything from 3rd party sources when it comes to a product review. Well I'll grant you that, as life was less complicated when I was not being a consumer. Ignorance is bliss so its good not to be aware of anything.
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Samsung actually has higher revenue then Apple.

While the F700 was indeed announced at CeBIT in 2006, the actual phone wasn't shown until February 2007 -- a month after Apple showed off the iPhone.

Do some research first.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ung_first.html
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post #101 of 126
Are you afraid we didn't read the same thing from the last three (or was it four) guys that posted that? Reading thru the thread before posting would have saved another instance of it.
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post #102 of 126
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[Smitty's image which has already appeared many times in the thread]

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smitty, have you read the facts about that image? (and how inaccurate it is):

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ung_first.html

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If you hadn't posted the link, I would have. Hard to stomp out a lie, ain't it?

A feminist organization put out a press release (quite a few years ago now) that violence against women increased markedly during the broadcasts of Super Bowls. It turned out to be totally bogus, but I STILL see it pop now and then......

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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

@smitty5569

This is why Apple is suing Samsung...

Samsung even used a sunflower for their Gallery icon.

And why use a flower anyway? Samsung didn't even attempt to look for another icon for Gallery... that's about as lazy as you can get!



My LG Voyager phone - now at least four years old (I have insurance - this is the third one - I don't need net in my pocket until Apple has 4G, voice and txt suffice, but anyway....) and it has the virtually identical sunflower icon and gears icons as the iPhone - before either the Samsung and iPhones came out. No lawsuits going on there though. But NEITHER company has any exclusivity to brag about on those two at least.....

....and the old Warner Brother's Looney Tunes logo might have a thing or two to say about the music icons.

Tempests in teapots and much ados about not much....

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My LG Voyager phone - now at least four years old (I have insurance - this is the third one - I don't need net in my pocket until Apple has 4G, voice and txt suffice, but anyway....) and it has the virtually identical sunflower icon and gears icons as the iPhone - before either the Samsung and iPhones came out. No lawsuits going on there though. But NEITHER company has any exclusivity to brag about on those two at least.....

....and the old Warner Brother's Looney Tunes logo might have a thing or two to say about the music icons.

Tempests in teapots and much ados about not much....

Yeah, it is odd that Apple thinks they can copyright basic ideas like chat bubble icons and stylized gears and CDs with music notes on them. Those predate the iPhone by a very wide margin.
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Originally Posted by JeffDenver View Post

Yeah, it is odd that Apple thinks they can copyright basic ideas like chat bubble icons and stylized gears and CDs with music notes on them. Those predate the iPhone by a very wide margin.

Once again, we have someone who insists on posting about a topic he doesn't understand.

It's about trade dress, not copyright. Please educate yourself before making yourself look like a fool.
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post #105 of 126
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Originally Posted by bigpics View Post

My LG Voyager phone - now at least four years old (I have insurance - this is the third one - I don't need net in my pocket until Apple has 4G, voice and txt suffice, but anyway....) and it has the virtually identical sunflower icon and gears icons as the iPhone - before either the Samsung and iPhones came out. No lawsuits going on there though. But NEITHER company has any exclusivity to brag about on those two at least...

1) If the sunflower and gear were the focus of Apples lawsuit Id say you just made Samsungs case for them but I think its much more involved than that, which is why LGs simple usage isnt the blatant ripoff that Samsung pulled. Also, according to Wikipedia the LG Voyager hit shelves nearly a year after the original iPhone was introduced to the world.

2) Why wait until an iPhone with 4G? Do you mean LTE Advanced or will HSPA+ suit you just fine?
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post #106 of 126
The whole thing sounds like a pissing contest between attorneys.....

Can't we just all get along, maybe without attorneys and politicans (actually, they're the same), we could..............................

So who's better as a bottom sucker, attorneys or politicians?
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So who's better as a bottom sucker, attorneys or politicians?

The tea baggers! (In no way should my comment be interpreted as political).
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post #108 of 126
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1) If the sunflower and gear were the focus of Apple’s lawsuit I’d say you just made Samsung’s case for them but I think it’s much more involved than that, which is why LG’s simple usage isn’t the blatant ripoff that Samsung pulled. Also, according to Wikipedia the LG Voyager hit shelves nearly a year after the original iPhone was introduced to the world.

2) Why wait until an iPhone with “4G”? Do you mean LTE Advanced or will HSPA+ suit you just fine?

Correction on release dates noted, thanks. Could've sworn I've been past my Verizon contract for close to two years, tho. Guess it's just one.

And yes I know that no "4G" service out there (or likely to be out there soon if exactly ever) is true "4G" - and I've read preliminary 5G specs are in development - which will likely follow a similar route - meaning we could see "5G phones" before we have "true 4G." (Most 3G probably wasn't all that compliant either? I'm guessing you of anyone here might know.)

So what I mean is simply I hate page loading latencies and since my budget's been tied up with other necessities, I've been waiting for a next gen that won't feel noticeably slower than my notebook of today - which just "pops" up the pages compared to anything I've had before. (I am impressed by how fast the iPad already seems to load - and I follow Apple's latest and greatest constantly, but I buy to keep and am seldom an "early adopter" so my iPad and/or iPhone can wait for the next data transmission speed bump).

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iTunes has not had DRM for several years. Perhaps you need to check the calendar; your arguments from 2009 won't work anymore.


iTunes sourced media have plenty of DRM left on them. The music, not so much.
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(Most 3G probably wasn't all that compliant either? I'm guessing you of anyone here might know.)

If I recall correctly MMS and EDGE data were first defined as 3G tech by 3GPP and ITU, respectively, before being made compatible with 2G service.

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So what I mean is simply I hate page loading latencies and since my budget's been tied up with other necessities, I've been waiting for a next gen that won't feel noticeably slower than my notebook of today - which just "pops" up the pages compared to anything I've had before. (I am impressed by how fast the iPad already seems to load - and I follow Apple's latest and greatest constantly, but I buy to keep and am seldom an "early adopter" so my iPad and/or iPhone can wait for the next data transmission speed bump).

Fair enough. If you are in the US Id suggest at least checking it out. You do you have 30 days to test the device and there is restocking fee if you dont like it.
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The tea baggers! (In no way should my comment be interpreted as political).

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The tea baggers! (In no way should my comment be interpreted as political).

No more than the words "Sarah Palin" or "Joe Biden".

... Never discuss religion, politics or OSes... Nobody wins!
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No more than the words "Sarah Palin" or "Joe Biden".

... Never discuss religion, politics or OSes... Nobody wins!

I can’t tell if you got my joke or not. Though I did just realize I messed up on it. It should be tea bagees, not baggers.


You’re right. We can’t even talk about rumors of unannounced products without getting into heated discussions.
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Once again, we have someone who insists on posting about a topic he doesn't understand. ...

You have to cut JeffDenver a little slack. If he waited for a topic he understood, he'd never get a chance to say anything.
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

iTunes sourced media have plenty of DRM left on them. The music, not so much.

Do you mean DRM on video, plese share if you know of some commersial service provider who does not have DRM then please share with us!!!



I have never used itunes for video as I dont like the workflow. But what the heck why would you need to??? I have an ipad and an iphone4 and i dont use itunes for video. There are so many better options...
post #116 of 126
Apple: "Stop copying our design."

Samsung: "Did not."

Apple: "Did too"

Samsung: "Prove it. Show us all your future designs."

Apple: "Here you are. Just don't copy them again. Promise?"
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Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post

Why woulnd't that work the other way?

So many Apple fans here try to suggest that Samsung not only copied Apple's design, but managed to build a product from it it under a month.

Let's keep it real (yeah, I know, futile suggestion here in Doublestandardsland).

Dude, Apple isn't and never was to my knowledge, complaining about that particular device. (The F 700) It in no way resembles the iPhone.

It's what Samsung did later that clearly demonstrates that they were ripping off Apple's trade dress in order create confusion in the marketplace. Even their packaging magically began to look very Apple-like.

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Originally Posted by neiltc13 View Post

I got a new Samsung phone not long ago - Omnia 7. It's a really nice device. It feels better than iPhone 4 in hand, has a better screen than iPhone 4 and unlike my previous iPhone 3GS, it can actually hold a signal in my house.

I'm not sure if Samsung could learn anything about hardware from Apple because they seem to be on top of it already.

Samsung got everything to learn beside hardware. They got to learn software which they never did and customer support which they never had.

Have you check all story about bricked Omnia 7 after update?
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Originally Posted by moustache View Post

@Rothgarr

My old Palm Pilot = Samsung's F700.

However I can't see where iPhone's interface is related to the Palm Pilot. Go figure.

Your old Palm Pilot = Apple newton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_%28platform%29
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Originally Posted by frankie View Post

What's Samsung valued at?

Would it be totally bad business for Apple to just buy them? Just an idea.


quick guess: Apple 70 Billion in revenue.... Samsung 170 Billion in revenue.

Be careful of what you wish.

I love my Samsung washer and dryer (best i've ever owned)
I love my Samsung TV (it's been running perfectly for 4 years)
I hate my Samsung DVD player (software/firmware is crap)

conclusion: will never buy a computer or phone from them.
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