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There are so many avenues in which to make wisecracks. That isn't as scary as Samsung's CES 2011 presentation but it's so fucking cheesy. Just show us how it works, no smoke and mirror, technology-based slight-of-hand maneuvering.

If Jobs pulled a stunt like that where a video of him an iPhone from behind an iPad without him actually opening the device the pundits and dissenter would be enraged crying foul and claiming it was false advertising.

Apple gets slammed for excessive showmanship, the RDF, overuse of superlatives, etc., but compared to the likes of Samsung and Asus they're a model of decorum and straight talk.

But, unfortunately, the die is cast regarding Apple's status as a triumph of marketing, so you'll never read about another company's ludicrous theatrics as somehow reflecting on the products they sell. As far as the popular media goes, Apple just owns that and it saves time if you don't have to think about your angle when you're writing on deadline.
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post #122 of 158
It's about damn time the stock started moving up.
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Then what would be the point of buying an iDevice? It isn't happening ever.

huh? imagine having iOS apps running on your Mac desktop/laptop (those that don't need a gyro) instead of today's widgets in Dashboard. they would be vastly superior in function, and there are so many more. also accessing an app's database from both desktop and iOS device for whatever your are using it for. would be very handy. would sell more of both macs and iOS devices.
post #124 of 158
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Why are you on this site, then?

Lion. iOS 5. Cloud services.

That's everything. If you're "bored" by them, you really have no reason to be here.

Don't respond to it; that only makes it worse

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post #125 of 158
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As a reminder to all who get annoyed with the trolls, if yo scroll to the top of the page on the left side is a link to your User CP. Once there you can create an "ignore" list where you enter the name of the offender. From then on those posts won't be visible. Rumor has it that a future version of vBulletin (the comments engine) will notify people when they are on five or more "ignore" lists. And "ignore" hall of shame is in the works as well that will add some word or phrase like "IGNORED BY 50 COMMENTERS" under their avatar.

I would be careful, if I were AI, about implementing something like that. 'Bad' can drive out 'good' (ref. Gresham's Law in economics).

I hate Ignore lists. They're equivalent to saying, "if we pretend that a problem doesn't exist, it'll go away."
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I would be careful, if I were AI, about implementing something like that. 'Bad' can drive out 'good' (ref. Gresham's Law in economics).

I hate Ignore lists. They're equivalent to saying, "if we pretend that a problem doesn't exist, it'll go away."

Although, in the case of internet forums and well implemented ignoring, it's literally true.

The trouble, of course, being that there are always plenty of people willing to go to war. Myself, the ignore function just lowers my blood pressure. Now if we could just get meta-ignore, where quoted posts were also suppressed.
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post #127 of 158
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

huh? imagine having iOS apps running on your Mac desktop/laptop (those that don't need a gyro)

Or GPS, or two cameras, or a compass, or...

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would sell more of both macs and iOS devices.

Would sell far fewer iOS devices and barely any more Macs.

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post #128 of 158
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And here's now it's not done.

It's like everyone is assuming Apple's success has something to do with the Stevenotes so they're making their executives get up there and pretend to be charismatic. Instead of terrifying.

O-M-G.

Then again, he's the very rich chairman of ASUS and we're not. And it's a semi-cool concept. Not sure I like the execution.
post #129 of 158
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

It's about damn time the stock started moving up.

Yeah, what the heck happened today? Just WWDC speculation? Huge jump.

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post #130 of 158
iCloud sounds to me like a system to prevent music piracy.

I don't believe in copyrights. It's a capitalist by-product.

"If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton
post #131 of 158
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I would be careful, if I were AI, about implementing something like that. 'Bad' can drive out 'good' (ref. Gresham's Law in economics).

I hate Ignore lists. They're equivalent to saying, "if we pretend that a problem doesn't exist, it'll go away."

Of course. I personally have only six names on my ignore list; two of which were spammers rather than trolls.
post #132 of 158
Who was the idiot author of this piece of modern journalism? For heaven's sake... it isn't "more clear" it's "clearer". People's ability to speak or write English is deteriorating fast. The word goes:

clear - clearer - clearest.

That's the pattern for most adjectives, but there are a few irregulars and these are the ones that need an extra word. Eg

spectacular - more spectacular - most spectacular.

I don't expect everyone to get such things right, just journalists who are supposed to be specialists in the use of words. These people at least should know the difference, but increasingly they don't, it seems.
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

So the company started having other folks on the stage to show that there are other minds involved.

Well now that everybody knows it's a team effort, and that's all settled, Steve can go back to doing them by himself because he's just the best presenter!
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Yeah, what the heck happened today? Just WWDC speculation? Huge jump.

No. Just that Steve is going to be leading the pack.
post #135 of 158
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Would sell far fewer iOS devices and barely any more Macs.

why would being able to run many iOS apps on your Mac hurt sales of either? making iOS apps even more useful than now, and therefore Apple hardware of all kinds more useful than now. it would be a bonus, not a loss. got a reason for your declaration that makes any sense?

btw, your desktop's fixed location can be specified by you, no GPS needed. for MacBooks, Apple might add GPS and 3G in future models anyway for obvious reasons.
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iCloud sounds to me like a system to prevent music piracy.

I don't believe in copyrights. It's a capitalist by-product.

"If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton

Um, right but Apple are capitalists. You probably should use the Soviet Era Computers. Good luck to you sir.
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why would being able to run many iOS apps on your Mac hurt sales of either? making iOS apps even more useful than now, and therefore Apple hardware of all kinds more useful than now. it would be a bonus, not a loss. got a reason for your declaration that makes any sense?

btw, your desktop's fixed location can be specified by you, no GPS needed. for MacBooks, Apple might add GPS and 3G in future models anyway for obvious reasons.

I don't directly agree with Tallest Skil but I certainly agree with him indirectly.

Just look at iPhone/Touch apps on the iPad. It's the same primary I/O just a different size and yet it's a very poor experience. Now imagine that switched to an even larger display and then having to use a mouse instead of touch interface.

If there is one thing we've seen Apple try to avoid over the years it's a bad user experience, which is probably why they Retina Display-compliant Phone/Touch apps to run in the old 480x320 resolution. They want apps to be native. The fact they included it at all was because there was no app market for the iPad but I bet if they could back to January 2010 they wouldn't have included that option at all.

What I'd like to see at WWDC next week is an SDK that can create a single universal app that is idealized for the iPhone/Touch, iPad and Mac UIs.
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post #138 of 158
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"If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton

Ironic the quote you chose, as the comment was probably a sarcastic remark attributed to Newton toward the brilliant Robert Hooke (who was apparently short of stature) and with whom he was in dispute.
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I don't directly agree with Tallest Skil but I certainly agree with him indirectly.

Just look at iPhone/Touch apps on the iPad. It's the same primary I/O just a different size and yet it's a very poor experience. Now imagine that switched to an even larger display and then having to use a mouse instead of touch interface.

If there is one thing we've seen Apple try to avoid over the years it's a bad user experience, which is probably why they Retina Display-compliant Phone/Touch apps to run in the old 480x320 resolution. They want apps to be native. The fact they included it at all was because there was no app market for the iPad but I bet if they could back to January 2010 they wouldn't have included that option at all.

What I'd like to see at WWDC next week is an SDK that can create a single universal app that is idealized for the iPhone/Touch, iPad and Mac UIs.

in the last two years Apple has introduced the touch UI Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad for desktops. getting us ready ...

also Apple has standardized all its displays @ 16:9 aspect. which would work good with apps that run on Apple TV, if we ever get those.

not to say i expect this all to happen, but it means it all could.
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I'm confused. Apple is different than Mac? ]
Oh, is the 272% including iDevices? That's idiotic; just put them all in one or don't have iDevices at all.

The 272% includes iPad sales, but not other iOS devices. It may seem idiotic because you want them included or excluded without differentiation to the Mac, but that's the point. The original graph was used, along with a blog post, to explain why IDC and Gartner should include iPads in statistics for PC sales. IDC and Gartner have been separating the iPad, categorizing it as a media tablet, while tablets that run Microsoft Windows are counted as PCs, despite evidence that iPads are competing with laptops. The original graph and article can be found here:

http://www.asymco.com/2011/04/14/fir...acipad-up-250/
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To be perfectly clear, in my mind Jobs will never be gone.

agreed one million %
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post #142 of 158
I'm betting that if Twitter is rumored to be integrated into iOS 5 at the lowest possible level then it might just mean that it makes use of the new notifications system for new tweets received etc. Basing the idea of the new notifications system on the hiring of the Jailbreak notifications guy.

We'll probably see Apple change the way iPod/iPhone only-apps display on the iPad, by using the higher resolution graphics (for retina screens) to pretty much fill the screen, instead of how it currently works by the user having to press the 2x button to fill the screen with stretched graphics.

Also, the WWDC image has a "hidden" number "5" or "S" in it, whichever way you look at it. Might be interesting to see what that means...iOS5 is an obvious one, but maybe a one more thing iPhone 5? We shall have to wait and see, can only speculate!
post #143 of 158
I wouldn't mind having Twitter and Facebook integration at a low level in iOS.


Notification would be what I consider to be high level and shallow integration. What I'm thinking is more likely a unified authentication system where you have your FB and Twitter credentials locked behind your Apple ID.

Thus when you wish to grant an app FB or Twitter access you simply plug in your Apple ID and if you have multiple FB or Twitter accounts you are prompted to choose that account. Voila.
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post #144 of 158
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Well Jobs is renown for his success of parting FOOLS from their cash and as usual there is an excess of examples in this thread.

An outrageous diatribe... awaiting Admin response.
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post #145 of 158
Reported, recommend others do the same. Just hit that nice little red exclamation point at the bottom of that ugly rant.
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...Just hit that nice little red exclamation point at the bottom of that ugly rant.

This is not the first time that I have done just that. However, this post is truly remarkable... and sad!
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post #147 of 158
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Originally Posted by sp.8472 View Post

Abject nonsense

He wouldn't have received a liver if he had cancer. The time you wasted writing that drivel was vast.

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post #148 of 158
This is actually the maddest paragraph I have ever read.

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EVEN WITHOUT past related history to Jobs progressive terminal cancer/crApple's notorious history of NEFARIOUS deceit + manipulation (eg Jobs 'slight cold/bug' LMAOPMP turns out to be MAJOR CANCER relapse SO FCUKING bad he has to go (25 etc) waiting lists (= houses living in each area) around the country for (AKA buy) a iLiver transplant ( + cash for bent unethical surgeon to perform a COMPLETELY MEDICALLY NON RECOMMENDED highly inefficient/wasteful of precious/limited resource procedure) the only CLEAR meaning of his "acting CEO" AKA excuse to con the HOPELESS gullible baboons, like yourself,(as you resulting belief demonstrates it worked as efficiently as ever) has is to someone with your level of LMFAO DESPERATE to not face the truth due to the degree of devastation it will cause DELUSION

All the signs of psychosis, no punctuation, massive over use of parenthesis, CAPITALS, and massive incoherence. Sample of Android fans? Surely not.
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post #149 of 158
No! This is the maddest paragraph ever.

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The power of predictive science/knowledge + experts of such (yes pointless i know being beyond the scope of people so easily conned by Jobs/Apple but for posterity sake "Told you so, I did tell you deluded c*nts earlier" as proof of your squirming delusional brainwashed beliefs when the starts pronging Jobs arse with a pitchfork for the rest of an eternity for all the unnecessary suffering he caused his customers ( not to mention the $hit Beta test botched/ripped on tech the cheap + fails epically products themselves) (worse aided by the crApple fanboi cult he orchestrated mauling to death any average customers that has the slightest negative complaint about their MORE than perfect iFailure ( eg customer "the phone doesn't work on my iFailure !" Endless crApple fagbois compassionately line up to help distressed customer "STFU with YOUR whining and MAKING up problems U DUMB c*nt - Who the FCUK exactly uses a mobile to phone people!!DUUUHH!????HONESTLY!" etc)
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post #150 of 158
Nope, the next two were madder. Something about the McCanns, although fairly incomprehensible. An apparent delight in Job's supposed death, and then

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So Jobs chances of seeing the new year are SLIM but his final death throw crys won't be the only ones - with his IMMINENT demise which you fanbois are SO IN DENIAL of ,your cries of pain as you fall on your own daggers of delusion + your conceits are shattered will be JUST as DEAFENING + thoroughly deserved from the suffering your sick cult/fanaticism has needlessly caused so many innocent others

Apparently the very existence of the "Apple cult", those of us who don't use CAPITALS everywhere, has needlessly caused "pain" - at least I think that is what we needlessly caused - to many innocent others. Possibly this includes Madeline McCann. It is hard to tell.

Anyway, joking aside. sp.8472, you may not realise this - the mad never do - but you do need to see a doctor. Stop trying to diagnose Steve Jobs condition and diagnose yourself. There isn't a medical professional in the world who wouldn't - upon seeing that screed - recommend your incarceration, or at the very least, massive does of medication.

I know that is common on the internet - you need to take meds, dude - I am not engaging in any kind of ad hominem. You do need to see a doctor. Nobody sane writes like that.
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post #151 of 158
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Well Jobs is renown for his success of parting FOOLS from their cash and as usual there is an excess of examples in this thread.

Psychology textbook writers, look no further for a fine illustrative example of pathology expressed through writing.

This person's past posts reveals a chilling focus solely on matters of Steve Jobs' health. It might be a responsible move for moderators to alert Jobs' security people. He might only be a crank, but he actually could pose a problem.

A number of us have asked the moderators to ban this person, but nothing seems to have been done.
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post #152 of 158
I'm kind of shocked this loon hasn't been banned before now-- a quick look at his posting history shows he's been shrieking about Jobs and the horribleness of Apple's users for a couple of years-- often in huge, multi-colored type.

Unlike the usual garden variety troll this fellow seems to be actually unwell, or is doing a pretty credible job of playing an unwell person on the internet.
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post #153 of 158
Banned, posts hidden and hopefully soon, nuked IPs.

I'm in agreement with others, it really disturbs me this joker had been allowed to go on for so long. I don't know what happened, maybe fell through the cracks, but I'm not convinced that the report post feature is working very well.
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Banned, posts hidden and hopefully soon, nuked IPs.

I'm in agreement with others, it really disturbs me this joker had been allowed to go on for so long. I don't know what happened, maybe fell through the cracks, but I'm not convinced that the report post feature is working very well.

Thanks admin. It's obvious that I was upset at the post, however, with others, I hope that there is opportunity for his(?) issues to be addressed and overcome.

All the best.
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post #155 of 158
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Unlike the usual garden variety troll this fellow seems to be actually unwell, or is doing a pretty credible job of playing an unwell person on the internet.

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Thanks admin. It's obvious that I was upset at the post, however, with others, I hope that there is opportunity for his(?) issues to be addressed and overcome.

Don't worry, there are a lot of modern medications that do help. From personal experience, I don't think the medication is a cure or a tool to "normalise" everyone to fit in, it just takes the edge off so one can operate a tiny bit better in this world before they move on to wherever they are destined to go.

The Divine will sort things out, eventually, one way or another, this lifetime or the next.

From what you all have quoted, Jobs and Apple just seems to be the fixation on his view of "all the problems of the world". It gets that way sometimes. I still think there are many problems in the world, and Jobs isn't perfect, but if there were more "evil" people to be fixated on I'd choose maybe Gadaffi, Sepp Blatter, Ryan Giggs (accused of cheating with his brother's wife for 8 years), Palin, Tom Cruise... heck, even my own Prime Minister of my country is one dodgy bas*ard.

Like I said, the paranoid/ deep hatred-fixation is probably a symptom of pyschosis, with medication it is likely the doctors will get to the underlying cause of his troubles.

I wish all to be well and blessed, even though sometimes in my life it is a confusing menagerie of experiences and memories I try to sort out.
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Thanks admin. It's obvious that I was upset at the post, however, with others, I hope that there is opportunity for his(?) issues to be addressed and overcome.

All the best.

You've done what you can. The rest is up to him. You can lead crazy to a drinking fountain, but crazy can still die of thirst for paranoia that the fountain is poisoned.
post #157 of 158
TechCrunch posted a wonderful, simple and straightforward article on why Apple's approach to the 'cloud" trumps the current strategies of competitors like Google and Amazon. Makes great sense.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/08/app...-google-cloud/
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TechCrunch posted a wonderful, simple and straightforward article on why Apple's approach to the 'cloud" trumps the current strategies of competitors like Google and Amazon. Makes great sense.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/08/app...-google-cloud/

Where is Gatorguy and what have you done with him???????
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