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post #81 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:26am
One WiFi network better be dedicated to Steve's address that day or heads will roll.
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post #82 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:26am
Dumb, dumb, dumb-ass question:

Could you run iOS and iOS apps on a Mac via boot camp or virtualization software?

Thanks in advance for the painful education.

Flame on!
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post #83 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:27am
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Weird though because all Apple has done is to confirm the agenda that was already being speculated.

Two things we can infer as confirmed: iCloud.com ownership and Steve Jobs as keynote ringmaster.
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post #84 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:27am
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Are you sure?

The iCloud site owned by Apple redirects to the CloudMe site...

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._5m_rumor.html
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post #85 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:28am
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Could you run iOS and iOS apps on a Mac via boot camp or virtualization software?

Of course not. Unless you're building them yourself in Xcode and have the source code to run through the iPhone Simulator.

iOS can't work on X86 processors. You can't just install it on a computer.
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post #86 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:30am
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Weird though because all Apple has done is to confirm the agenda that was already being speculated.

Yeah, and they've actually done this a few times recently so it's not the big surprise that everyone is making out it is really.

Apple is growing and changing, it happens to everyone and everything. They even announced they were doing (shudder) market research lately with what can only be described as an (upscale, high-end, tech oriented) "focus group." blech.

Personally, I just want them to finally make the computer I've been waiting to exist since about 1968 or so. It still looks to be a few years out, but I think Apple has a shot at making one before they go bad.
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post #87 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:32am
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Dumb, dumb, dumb-ass question:

Could you run iOS and iOS apps on a Mac via boot camp or virtualization software?

Thanks in advance for the painful education.

Flame on!

You can run iOS apps on the Mac with the simulator(emulator) in Xcode. However, this is for apps that you complile yourself and wil not work for apps bought from the App Store.

Boot Camp is only for dual-booting Windows and virtualisation software, like VMware or Parralles, probably could virtualise iOS but there are many legal reasons why they won't even try.
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post #88 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:35am
Apple is going to show them how it's done!
GO HEAT!!! n
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post #89 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:39am
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Of course not. Unless you're building them yourself in Xcode and have the source code to run through the iPhone Simulator.

iOS can't work on X86 processors. You can't just install it on a computer.

not so fast. correct that it cannot run as a native OS on such hardware, but it may be possible via a new version of iOS emulator software.
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post #90 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:40am
I'm hoping someone can answer a question I've had since this whole Cloud Storage thing became a hot topic....

If all of my music etc is stored in the cloud and I'm using 3G to access it, won't I use a crap-ton of data just to listen to my tunes? 5MB or more every time I want to hear a song is going to burn through my 2gigs pretty quick. Plus, won't scrubbing take all day if I want to quickly go back and hear another part of a song?

Or is that not how it will work? Perhaps I'm missing what's going to be so great about iCloud...?
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post #91 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:43am
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Long live Steve Jobs
Long live Mac & iOS
Long live Apple's USER & communities

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Originally Posted by Onhka View Post

A great day for Apple.

An even greater day next Monday.

Welcome back Steve.

i love you dude

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Meh. iCloud. Lion. iOS5.

Whens the real changes?

Dude apple may just CHANGE THE WHOLE GAME AGAIN
Maybe apple will now be a CARRIER FOR SOMETHING LIKE SAY A Nano phone !!!!!!

So buy an apple nano phone and you also get very low priced minutes n voice and almost free data time .
APPLE would be the gate keeper for us under a no contract phone ,
Apple might also pre pay billions of dollar's for blocks of carrier time .

Apple server farm's could be a great data carrier for the NANO cloud phone .

i can't breathe ..http://www.mobilein.com/what_is_a_mvno.htm

And at the moment of a call apple would switch us to the the best signal and best price at that exact time ./

Apple of course will sell any free data time at there server farms .


rant is over

if could happen ...

maybe

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post #92 of 158
5/31/11 at 9:44am
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not so fast. correct that it cannot run as a native OS on such hardware, but it may be possible via a new version of iOS emulator software.

No one with the ability to make a straight iOS emulator has the guts (read: stupidity) to do so out of fear of Apple.

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...burn through my 2gigs pretty quick.

That's 100% correct. There's really nothing that Apple can do about it.
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post #93 of 158
5/31/11 at 10:00am
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....I find the magic disappears for me when Phil Schiller gets out there or Scott Forestall etc. They just do the same schtick that Steve does, but seeing them do it makes it obvious it's a schtick, whereas with Steve one can pretend he really believes what he is saying and stuff.

Very true... it is interesting how that RDF works. But I wonder if it only works on us 'fanbois' because we know the history. If someone knew absolutely nothing about Apple and Steve, dare I suggest... they would say 'who is this guy and whats he smoking? I know... thems fight'n words....
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post #94 of 158
5/31/11 at 10:10am
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....Personally, I just want them to finally make the computer I've been waiting to exist since about 1968 or so. It still looks to be a few years out, but I think Apple has a shot at making one before they go bad.

Holy crap... 1968. HAL? is that you? - Daaave
So do share, what is this computer that has had your desire for over 40 years?
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post #95 of 158
5/31/11 at 10:13am
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A great day for Apple.

An even greater day next Monday.

Welcome back Steve.

God bless Steve Jobs. (and no, he didn't sneeze)
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post #96 of 158
5/31/11 at 10:25am
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No, that's exactly what he should do. In fact, it might even be better if he wasn't there at all. One of the problems with Steve and Apple is that he's made it seem like that he's the whole company. His "insistence" on doing these presentations even when he's still officially on personal leave only reinforces the notion that no other executive in the company is capable of making such a presentation except for him.

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I agree, it reeks of ego. You see this all the time in science with the head of the group presenting everything, but it is badly received. Share the wealth and acknowledge those involved, it only makes you stronger.

Where is this news that Steve is on "personal leave"? Where is this news that Steve Jobs isn't the active CEO of Apple?
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post #97 of 158
5/31/11 at 10:51am
He probably meant medical leave. And yes, he's still CEO anyway.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-01-17/t...ans?_s=PM:TECH

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post #98 of 158
5/31/11 at 10:58am
Just for clarification...

CloudMe is the service that changed its name from iCloud. Apple paid millions not just for the domain name, but for them to rename their service entirely. CloudMe is not Apple.

Also I would bet that Apple's new iCloud starts out free and then they make it a paid service later, either planned or via stealth ninja. Otherwise I don't see how you hook people in this economy. I know I'm strapped and not buying into any new service, especially when I have my own NAS at home.
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post #99 of 158
5/31/11 at 11:01am
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One WiFi network better be dedicated to Steve's address that day or heads will roll.

There was. It wasn't a lack of channels on the network, it was a lack of spectrum space for all of WiFi. 5000 users in one room = radio clog. We essentially broad-spectrum jammed him out of his demo. Not sure how they're going to fix this unless maybe they implement a very strong booster that can blast thru the audience's devices. Either that or force the whole audience to shut down their devices by having equipping all ushers with WiFi sniffers. \
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post #100 of 158
5/31/11 at 11:01am
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I think it's the original iCloud domain holder. Sold domain to apple and for now redirecting to couldme (new domain). Good for them for transition and also apple is obviously not going to let us peak at their work in progress. So I don't think this is any way related to the new iCloud service.

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Now that Apple has officially announced iCloud they may take over the domain prior to WWDC.



When this story first broke a month or two ago iCloud redirected to CloudMe. Meaning, Xcerion sold their iCloud site to Apple and rebranded their service as CloudMe.

I haven't done any domain name setup/web development for over 10 years... so my experience isn't current.

But, I didn't know that you could:

1) set up a domain
2) sell that domain
3) continue redirecting from that domain

The way it used to be done is:

1) for a while the original domain would have an intro page that
2) defaulted to the new owner's site with a slight delay
3) displayed an "are you looking for" message and new link to the old owner's new site
4) after a reasonable time (1-2 weeks/months, depending) any reference to the old owner's site was purged -- as if the domain had always belonged to the new owner.


Are you saying that on some cutoff date (June 6) the redirect to the CloudMe will be removed?

This seems rather clumsy -- very non-Apple-like.
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post #101 of 158
5/31/11 at 11:10am
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He probably meant medical leave. And yes, he's still CEO anyway.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-01-17/t...ans?_s=PM:TECH

1) Not quoting who you're responding can make it hard to follow your posts, especially in busy threads.

2) That CNN blurb contradicts what Jobs quote as still being CEO when it says Cook will take control. If you are still acting CEO then you are in control and responsible for the company, regardless if you are working from home.

3) Jobs stated, "Tim Cook to be responsible for all of Apples day to day operations." That's giving more responsibility, but it's not the same position he was 2 years prior when Cook was acting CEO.

4) The fact that Jobs is acting CEO seems clear that we should expect to see Jobs on stage again.

5) I don't get these comments that Jobs should go away so that Apple can stand on its own. He's been grooming his execs and customers for years now by letting them announce more and more of the keynote. I think Cook is the likely successor and expect any drop in the stock to be short-lived when Jobs officially announces his retirement (which I think it not unlikely next week).
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post #102 of 158
5/31/11 at 11:24am
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I haven't done any domain name setup/web development for over 10 years... so my experience isn't current.

But, I didn't know that you could:

1) set up a domain
2) sell that domain
3) continue redirecting from that domain

The way it used to be done is:

1) for a while the original domain would have an intro page that
2) defaulted to the new owner's site with a slight delay
3) displayed an "are you looking for" message and new link to the old owner's new site
4) after a reasonable time (1-2 weeks/months, depending) any reference to the old owner's site was purged -- as if the domain had always belonged to the new owner.


Are you saying that on some cutoff date (June 6) the redirect to the CloudMe will be removed?

This seems rather clumsy -- very non-Apple-like.


They probably have an agreement in place to redirect until a certain date (June 5? End of May?) This would be more Apple-like than the "way it used to be done" otherwise the site would redirect to Apple.com with a link to cloudme.com which may come across as Apple having something to do with them. I suspect that before June 6th the icloud.com page will no longer redirect to cloudme.com
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post #103 of 158
5/31/11 at 11:24am
edit: Pipped by OriginalG.
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post #104 of 158
5/31/11 at 11:32am
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They probably have an agreement in place to redirect until a certain date (June 5? End of May?) This would be more Apple-like than the "way it used to be done" otherwise the site would redirect to Apple.com with a link to cloudme.com which may come across as Apple having something to do with them. I suspect that before June 6th the icloud.com page will no longer redirect to cloudme.com

Ahh... makes good sense.

Also, kinda' glad that what i tried (CloudMe) is not what Apple will offer with iCloud...

... my overall impression of CloudMe is: "Is that all there is?"
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post #105 of 158
5/31/11 at 11:33am
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If they nail the iCloud this will be HUGE, but that's a big "IF".

No more syncing to computer please.

Exactly.

Come to think of it...

People often complain about iOS not having a file system. I always disagree because file systems are very archaic, pointless to the end user and just suck major balls.

Now, what if all iOS apps can save data to the iCloud service? iOS won't even need a file system, all documents, pictures, songs are stored in the cloud and accessible by all apps, both on iOS and OSX.

Sounds like a very Apple way to do things imo.
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post #106 of 158
5/31/11 at 11:39am
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Are you sure?

The iCloud site owned by Apple redirects to the CloudMe site...

That is a bit odd. Maybe they bought the whole company and are currently in stealth mode.

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post #107 of 158
5/31/11 at 11:43am
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That is a bit odd. Maybe they bought the whole company and are currently in stealth mode.

That's improbable. It would mean that Apple didn't just buy cloud.com but also bought Xcerion service. Then to throw people off the trail they then revamped the entire iCloud product, moved everything to CouldMe.com instead of just staying were they were until the change next week. That's a circuitous plan that doesn't add any value to Apple.
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post #108 of 158
5/31/11 at 12:06pm
so with SJ doing the keynote
he's heathy and kicking butt
one more thing----iphone 5/4s
I APPLE THEREFORE I AM
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post #109 of 158
5/31/11 at 12:44pm
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Whew! It's great that Apple has executives with experience to ignore kibitzers with none!

You talkin' to me??

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post #110 of 158
5/31/11 at 12:48pm
Having used the iPhone 4 for approximately a year now I can safely say that there is nothing that I would change about it. I upgraded from an LG Shine and never had a smartphone before this one and the iPhone 4 has increased my quality of life immensely more than I ever thought a "cell phone" could. To all those who think that iOS 5.0 is a meh news story think again. I am so very excited to see how Apple improves something that I already think is miles ahead of anything else on the market.

Apple is pushing technology forward whereas most other tech companies are copying each other... Give props where its deserved!
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post #111 of 158
5/31/11 at 12:57pm
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To be clear, Jobs was never gone. In 2008 he did take a 6 month leave, but this year he was simply working from home more often.

To be perfectly clear, in my mind Jobs will never be gone.
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post #112 of 158
5/31/11 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

No one with the ability to make a straight iOS emulator has the guts (read: stupidity) to do so out of fear of Apple.

i was supposing Apple would build the emulator into Lion itself. or maybe sell it as an add on.
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5/31/11 at 1:09pm
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i was supposing Apple would build the emulator into Lion itself. or maybe sell it as an add on.

Then what would be the point of buying an iDevice? It isn't happening ever.
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post #114 of 158
5/31/11 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Are you sure?

The iCloud site owned by Apple redirects to the CloudMe site...

Yes, Apple bought the name from this other company, and now that Apple owns it they are redirecting visitors to the new site that the old owner is now calling CloudMe. At least that's how I see it. Also, the CloudMe site uses graphics and layout that are not Apple standard for all their pages.
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5/31/11 at 1:25pm
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5/31/11 at 1:55pm
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Ahh... makes good sense.

Also, kinda' glad that what i tried (CloudMe) is not what Apple will offer with iCloud...

... my overall impression of CloudMe is: "Is that all there is?"

Dick, I was also taken in by the "cloudme" thing. As soon as the link was posted much earlier in this thread I clicked it and signed up several userids for my wife, daughter, and myself. Then I downloaded their app and discovered how truly atrocious it looked and I figured that this simply can't be Apple. I don't know a thing about the Linux UI that you mentioned earlier but what I saw looked so "windows-like" that I knew this had to be non-Apple (null-A?).

We have no idea what the Apple offering will look like but I do know that beginning next Sunday I will be logging into icloud.com every so often just to get an early jump on userids. Times have changed and even unusual names like "tod" or "pandora" get snapped up fast. When I originally got my CA vanity plate of APPL II in 1979 I was surprised to find that it was available and that I had beaten you, Mark, Sarkis and all 50 Apple employees to it.
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5/31/11 at 1:58pm
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That's improbable. It would mean that Apple didn't just buy cloud.com but also bought Xcerion service. Then to throw people off the trail they then revamped the entire iCloud product, moved everything to CouldMe.com instead of just staying were they were until the change next week. That's a circuitous plan that doesn't add any value to Apple.

Apple is nothing if not circuitous and devious.

PS: You new sig contains some very helpful advice. I had simply copied the ~/Library folder to my side bar but your trick works better.
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5/31/11 at 2:01pm
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PS: You new sig contains some very helpful advice. I had simply copied the ~/Library folder to my side bar but your trick works better.

I'm glad you found it useful. I was showing all files but that just looks sloppy.
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defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles TRUE
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5/31/11 at 2:40pm
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Apple is going to show them how it's done!
GO HEAT!!!

And here's now it's not done.

It's like everyone is assuming Apple's success has something to do with the Stevenotes so they're making their executives get up there and pretend to be charismatic. Instead of terrifying.
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5/31/11 at 3:25pm
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And here's now it's not done.

It's like everyone is assuming Apple's success has something to do with the Stevenotes so they're making their executives get up there and pretend to be charismatic. Instead of terrifying.

There are so many avenues in which to make wisecracks. That isn't as scary as Samsung's CES 2011 presentation but it's so fucking cheesy. Just show us how it works, no smoke and mirror, technology-based slight-of-hand maneuvering.

If Jobs pulled a stunt like that where a video of him an iPhone from behind an iPad without him actually opening the device the pundits and dissenter would be enraged crying foul and claiming it was false advertising.
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