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post #41 of 65
6/4/11 at 1:00pm
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Was your "relative" assaulted? Or was it just fear? Or uncomfortableness at being looked at, perhaps?

My relative is a native of Manhatten, I doubt that being looked at bothered her. All of the female ESL teachers had the same problem. Maybe it is only westerners that have the problem or something.
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post #42 of 65
6/4/11 at 11:52pm
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My relative is a native of Manhatten, I doubt that being looked at bothered her. All of the female ESL teachers had the same problem. Maybe it is only westerners that have the problem or something.

You didn't answer the question. Was she assaulted? Or was it fear/hearsay of the "danger"?

I've been in Hong Kong 15 1/2 years. I've never even EVER heard of an expat woman being assaulted on the train -- not even once. I'd think it's more likely that the expat women wouldn't be assaulted, since they are more likely to be the ones to speak out.

Seriously, I'd love to know more about the grounds for your assertion, other than your relative's reported perception of the situation. I also question your baseless assertion that "all of the female ESL teachers had the same problem". I currently know a few dozen female ESL teachers, and NONE of them have any problem, nor have they ever. Even the young and pretty ones... even the white ones with big breasts, blond hair, slim waists... even the sexy ABC or BBC girls, or the Filipinas or Indians (both groups are sadly discriminated against here). I think your story is full of it, actually.
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post #43 of 65
6/5/11 at 4:05am
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I don't think I will ever understand the thought process of people who advocate government monopolies over free markets and call it freedom.

It is not that it is called a hypocrisy!
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post #44 of 65
6/5/11 at 10:42am
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http://www.12hk.com/xprt/hk_xprt.shtml

"...the only common crimes being groping and pickpocketing here and there"

google has tons of hits on the subject.
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post #45 of 65
6/8/11 at 12:50pm
The ultimate NHS indignity: Body of hospital patient left to die in corridor is ignored for hours... before staff simply drag him away

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post #46 of 65
11/20/11 at 4:45pm
Newt0care quote-

"In order to make coverage more accessible, Congress must do more, including passing legislation to: establish a national health insurance marketplace by giving individuals the freedom to shop for insurance plans across state lines; provide low-income families with $1,000 in direct contributions to a health savings account, along with a $2,000 advanced tax credit to purchase an HSA-eligible high-deductible health plan; make premiums for these plans tax deductible; provide tax rebates to small businesses that contribute to their employees’ HSAs; extend and expand grant funding to high-risk pools across the country; and require anyone who earns more than $50,000 a year to purchase health insurance or post a bond."
~ Newt CaChingRich

~ http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/11/...-Congress-2007

Shelve out for the insurance companies through taxes and mandate it too... the rich love taxes.

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post #47 of 65
11/20/11 at 7:50pm
I know, I know, damn lies and statistics. But I dont think anecdata should rate higher.
Anyway, that organisation of occult international conspirators known as the OECD makes all kinds of surveys and stats and whatnot, heres their Health Status.
Perhaps some of you will find it useful to get an informed opinion about whither health care system in the World.

If one doesnt like the data one could just say the methodology is all wrong and no further argument shall be required.
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post #48 of 65
11/21/11 at 3:28am
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My relative is a native of Manhatten, I doubt that being looked at bothered her. All of the female ESL teachers had the same problem. Maybe it is only westerners that have the problem or something.

Maybe your relative was wearing blinders and saw nothing.You are kidding?
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post #49 of 65
11/22/11 at 6:02am
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I know, I know, “…damn lies and statistics”. But I don’t think ‘anecdata’ should rate higher.
Anyway, that organisation of occult international conspirators known as the OECD makes all kinds of surveys and stats and whatnot, here’s their Health Status.
Perhaps some of you will find it useful to get an informed opinion about whither health care system in the World.

If one doesn’t like the data one could just say the methodology is all wrong and no further argument shall be required.

You see, America does have the best healthcare system in the world, if you pretend poor people don't exist, or if you simply don't care about them.
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post #50 of 65
11/22/11 at 7:16am
Poor people exist, and it's in the government's best interest to make sure they continue to exist in their poor state.

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post #51 of 65
11/22/11 at 8:51am
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Poor people exist, and it's in the government's best interest to make sure they continue to exist in their poor state.

Poor people exist, and if we stop helping them they'll get off their ass and stop being poor. Yeah, that's the ticket. Either that, or they'll die off, which is just as well.
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post #52 of 65
11/22/11 at 8:58am
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Poor people exist, and if we stop helping them they'll get off their ass and stop being poor. Yeah, that's the ticket. Either that, or they'll die off, which is just as well.

Would you personally threaten me with bodily harm, kidnapping, and/or confiscation of my property if I didn't "help the poor" to your liking?

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post #53 of 65
11/22/11 at 11:13am
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You see, America does have the best healthcare system in the world, if you pretend poor people don't exist, or if you simply don't care about them.

They exist alright, there's no need to pretend otherwise. I simply don't care about them.

I suggest that most of them move to Europe or to some other socialist paradise, and maybe they'll be better off there, or maybe not.
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post #54 of 65
11/22/11 at 11:48am
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Would you personally threaten me with bodily harm, kidnapping, and/or confiscation of my property if I didn't "help the poor" to your liking?

This schtick is getting old.

 

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post #55 of 65
11/22/11 at 11:55am
Wrong thread. My bad.

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post #56 of 65
11/22/11 at 4:39pm
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They exist alright, there's no need to pretend otherwise. I simply don't care about them.

I suggest that most of them move to Europe or to some other socialist paradise, and maybe they'll be better off there, or maybe not.

Yep. That's why you're irrelevant as a human being. But I would still support your welfare as a responsibility of my elected government, should you ever be so unfortunate as to need it.
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post #57 of 65
11/22/11 at 4:45pm
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Yep. That's why you're irrelevant as a human being.

Exactly. Empathy--your entry ticket to a civilized society.

 

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post #58 of 65
11/22/11 at 5:01pm
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But I would still support your welfare as a responsibility of my elected government, should you ever be so unfortunate as to need it.

And I am a good citizen too, I pay my taxes and I support the government and state financially, unlike many Americans.
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post #59 of 65
11/22/11 at 11:20pm
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And I am a good citizen too, I pay my taxes and I support the government and state financially, unlike many Americans.

Are you old enough to pay taxes? I'm being serious.
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post #60 of 65
11/23/11 at 6:15am
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Are you old enough to pay taxes? I'm being serious.

Age has nothing to do with paying taxes. You aren't exempted from them due to age.

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post #61 of 65
11/23/11 at 6:15am
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Exactly. Empathy--your entry ticket to a civilized society.

I could have sworn it was rule of law. Silly me.

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post #62 of 65
11/23/11 at 7:37am
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Age has nothing to do with paying taxes. You aren't exempted from them due to age.

Oh, you mean mommy gives you money and you pay sales taxes?

Of course I was implying that he didn't have his first job yet.
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post #63 of 65
11/23/11 at 8:26am
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Oh, you mean mommy gives you money and you pay sales taxes?

Of course I was implying that he didn't have his first job yet.

My kids have dividend income. It comes from the stocks we buy them on birthdays and holidays.

See we teach them to own and invest in things. That way they don't become bitter adults who lash out at others when they have feel out of control yet are condescending.

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post #64 of 65
11/23/11 at 3:20pm
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My kids have dividend income. It comes from the stocks we buy them on birthdays and holidays.

See we teach them to own and invest in things. That way they don't become bitter adults who lash out at others when they have feel out of control yet are condescending.

So my 'mommy' quote applies, but in a different way. By the way, how does this divided income work? I invest for my daughter as well, and earnings are on my taxes until she becomes 18 and gains control of the policy. Since your kids cannot withdraw funds from their investments or cancel them, I don't see how they can be taxed on them (under their own social security numbers) as 'income'.
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post #65 of 65
11/23/11 at 4:02pm
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So my 'mommy' quote applies, but in a different way. By the way, how does this divided income work? I invest for my daughter as well, and earnings are on my taxes until she becomes 18 and gains control of the policy. Since your kids cannot withdraw funds from their investments or cancel them, I don't see how they can be taxed on them (under their own social security numbers) as 'income'.

I don't know how you've got yours set up. We purchase them the shares outright. They don't have them in an investment account. They receive a check for any dividends and a 1099 for it with their own names. We lump it in with us for now and a minor can file a tax return anytime they have taxes withheld and want to file for them. Just don't let them claim themselves and the deduction associated with that or you can't claim them as a dependent.

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