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[regarding my comment about "Fahrwahr]I was going for a particular dialect of pronouncing FireWire. I had a friend in college who was predestined to become an electrical engineer -- his childhood "security blanket" was a bundle of wires that he called his "wahrs" (or "warrs"? I'm trying to rhyme with bar). Maybe FarrWarr would have worked better.

Ah, that's a decent enough explanation. You see, I was going for the German: "fahren" means to drive while "die Wahrheit" means truth or honesty, so I assumed it had to do with being an honest driver or something extremely complex like that. I'm getting slashed by Occam's Razor.

And we won't open the can of worms dealing with the German for entrance (Einfahrt) or even the quainter Swedish (Infart). Swear to God.

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What I don't yet know is if you can install it will install from a pre-Snow Leopard OS by running the installer. Apple info may just be a blanket statement because you need the Mac App Store in Snow Leopard or later to download the installer.

That's a good question. But 10.6 is only $30 and 10.7 is only $30, so even if you do need to buy SL just to download it (which admittedly is a bit silly) it is still cheaper than OS X used to be for a full version.
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Does anyone here still think that optical drives aren't on the way out?

I wanted them out for some time now.
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Wrong again. It's likely 4GB because it is a differential update (not all of the OS is ever new).

As it is right now with Dev preview 4GB is a full blown bootable disk image.

Just think about what scenario is still possible? Some people don't use Time Machine or any other backup utility at all. What if HDD in their Mac fails? Do we honestly believe that we will need to install SL and then Lion all the time this happens? I doubt that.

Most likely Lion will be a .app download from MAs, but inside we will have full blown DMG (just as we have now) and you can do whatever you want with that disk image.

I doubt Apple is concerned about privacy or copy protection (any kind). Anyway after july all Macs come with Lion (which you already will be paying for by buying a Mac).


P.S. It's 4 GB, because Xcode and some other things are not included anymore and not because it's differential upgrade or something.
post #85 of 140
Apple has zero interest in computers that do any sort of production work period.
Lion could very likely be the last OS they develop for desktop platforms before they discontinue them altogether.

7 years from now people will be buying iMac's for $10k and the only thing they will do is display a picture of Steve Jobs with the word 'Worship' under it in a real nice Garamond font.
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Apple has zero interest in computers that do any sort of production work period.
Lion could very likely be the last OS they develop for desktop platforms before they discontinue them altogether.

7 years from now people will be buying iMac's for $10k and the only thing they will do is display a picture of Steve Jobs with the word 'Worship' under it in a real nice Garamond font.

You are badly ill arent' you?
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Originally Posted by macosxp View Post

So, a family of Macs with slow internet that occasionally needs to boot into the DVD to fix a problem is basically screwed?

Not at all. Nothing is stopping you from making a clone of your drive onto a back up drive for problem solving.

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And if you're coming from Leopard, you have to install Snow Leopard first?

yep. Which a bunch of folks told me they would never do and my sources were full of caca. (and no I don't hate to say I told ya so. about this or about the free v paid itunes cloud or the rest of it)
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You are badly ill arent' you?

Snow Leopard still doesn't have modern graphics drivers, can't print through firewire, networking bugs, font handling display issues and lags behind Leopard on all sorts of benchmarks. It's not ready for prime time professional production work period. (yes, some of this is also due to developers who abandoned it).
Then of course there is Apple who refuses to brand a display that isn't a mirror. Mac Pro's (which I have) are insanely expensive for the horsepower and there is nothing in them that is upgradable any more then an iMac. (ram & HDD).
Top that off with Apple killing the Xserve.

If you can't see that Apple is abandoning the professional/production industry - geez man, I don't know what to tell you. It's not like it's a secret.

Apple conceded the desktop - that's why they are pioneering the mobile device industry. The consumer market is their focus now.
post #89 of 140
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Originally Posted by Mode View Post

Snow Leopard still doesn't have modern graphics drivers, can't print through firewire, networking bugs, font handling display issues and lags behind Leopard on all sorts of benchmarks. It's not ready for prime time professional production work period. (yes, some of this is also due to developers who abandoned it).
Then of course there is Apple who refuses to brand a display that isn't a mirror. Mac Pro's (which I have) are insanely expensive for the horsepower and there is nothing in them that is upgradable any more then an iMac. (ram & HDD).
Top that off with Apple killing the Xserve.

If you can't see that Apple is abandoning the professional/production industry - geez man, I don't know what to tell you. It's not like it's a secret.

Apple conceded the desktop - that's why they are pioneering the mobile device industry. The consumer market is their focus now.

So the answer is yes. I figured that much already.
post #90 of 140
How is this going to work in the business world, do we now have to set up an itunes account for each user? or are there business iTunes accounts.

Do we have to download Lion separately on every mac in the company?
post #91 of 140
I use Macs for my business, in fact, I have 12 of them. Whats the upgrade path going to be like for business?

Downloading software is great, but I'm not too keen on major OS updates as a download only.

I'd gladly pay 2x as much for a DVD with a fancy label slapped on it.
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Originally Posted by Kevinneal View Post

How is this going to work in the business world, do we now have to set up an itunes account for each user? or are there business iTunes accounts.

Do we have to download Lion separately on every mac in the company?

Exactly! Apple keeps making inroads into enterprise, and then seems to base all their advancements on the home user.
post #93 of 140
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Originally Posted by Mode View Post

Snow Leopard still doesn't have modern graphics drivers, can't print through firewire, networking bugs, font handling display issues and lags behind Leopard on all sorts of benchmarks. It's not ready for prime time professional production work period. (yes, some of this is also due to developers who abandoned it).
Then of course there is Apple who refuses to brand a display that isn't a mirror. Mac Pro's (which I have) are insanely expensive for the horsepower and there is nothing in them that is upgradable any more then an iMac. (ram & HDD).
Top that off with Apple killing the Xserve.

If you can't see that Apple is abandoning the professional/production industry - geez man, I don't know what to tell you. It's not like it's a secret.

Apple conceded the desktop - that's why they are pioneering the mobile device industry. The consumer market is their focus now.

Very sad. Who wants to spend all day in an office on a Windows machine?
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Originally Posted by Kevinneal View Post

How is this going to work in the business world, do we now have to set up an itunes account for each user? or are there business iTunes accounts.

Do we have to download Lion separately on every mac in the company?

I think if you are the owner of that business you will be able to use one Apple ID to download Lion on all Macs you have. Please read Mac App Store licence agreement to make sure.
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Originally Posted by macosxp View Post

So, a family of Macs with slow internet that occasionally needs to boot into the DVD to fix a problem is basically screwed?

And if you're coming from Leopard, you have to install Snow Leopard first?

Bingo. Better invest in a good hard disk for Time Machine backups.
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Originally Posted by chabig View Post

If your disk fails, you restore from your backup.

This fails to get the point... There are scenarios where a clean install is preferred. I dont want to restore my current settings because I dont need 90% of the crap I have installed and cant completely uninstall thanks to the lack of install tracking and uninstall tools being native to OSX.

I just copy the bits of my home folder that I need to an external HDD then I want to start over with a clean slate, and I want to install the latest major release of OSX right away, not install 10.6, then wait for 10.6.x (whichever rev included the app store) to download then download and install a 4gb update...that turns a 60 minute reinstall process into an all day task -- that is effing insain!
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Do we have to download Lion separately on every mac in the company?

Are you serious? Don't you know how to copy the file the app store downloads to other machines? Apple even tells you how! (look for it yourself).
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Originally Posted by Povilas View Post

P.S. It's 4 GB, because Xcode and some other things are not included anymore and not because it's differential upgrade or something.

That's probably it. I forget about Xcode because I don't use it.
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

I assume it will include one click burn of a bootable DVD or drive (thumb drive would be perfect). And testing it shouldn't be a big deal, just boot from it once to make sure it works. Apple just needs to announce the specifics of how they're handling bootable drives to get this question answered. They already include the functionality for a recovery partition, now they just need to include the option to put it on a separate physical drive as well.



It will take a while to download, but they should include a way to create bootable DVD or thumb drive.


So why dont you do it now? This has been possible for years. I dont remember when i´ve used the DVD:s...
Just insert the dvd and use diskutility to make copy to your usb stick. Then just select this as your boot drive in settings and boot to the install-usb-stick.
post #100 of 140
Another nail in the coffin for the people who have kept Apple going all these years. The worst thought out move in a long list of penny pinching, money grabbing decisions. This will only work on machines that are full functional and running 10.6.6 or later. That would be about 15 to 20 % of the Macs that it will run on.
As for a $49 server download. Man alive what a mess that will create. Every no it all moron will think that they can configure a server. Good luck with that. jonny
post #101 of 140
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Originally Posted by jonnyk View Post

Another nail in the coffin for the people who have kept Apple going all these years. The worst thought out move in a long list of penny pinching, money grabbing decisions. This will only work on machines that are full functional and running 10.6.6 or later. That would be about 15 to 20 % of the Macs that it will run on.
As for a $49 server download. Man alive what a mess that will create. Every no it all moron will think that they can configure a server. Good luck with that. jonny

What are you referring to? Selling Lion for $30 for all your machines isn't a money grabbing decision by Apple.

What only works on functional machines?

I see no problem with selling the server upgrade for $50. How can this cause trouble?
post #102 of 140
4 macs in the house. Hope I don't have to download the bloody Lion 4 times. My ISP will probably shut me down. I wish Apple would publish the actual options for Lion on multiple computers, restores, etc. I ran away from the PC world for many reasons and I will tell you restoring from a hidden drectory on the hard drive is NOT an option. Plus not everyone has 4GB to spare.
post #103 of 140
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4 macs in the house. Hope I don't have to download the bloody Lion 4 times. My ISP will probably shut me down. I wish Apple would publish the actual options for Lion on multiple computers, restores, etc. I ran away from the PC world for many reasons and I will tell you restoring from a hidden drectory on the hard drive is NOT an option. Plus not everyone has 4GB to spare.

Download it once and move it to other 3 Macs with flash drive or external hard drive or even burn DVD. What's the problem
post #104 of 140
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4 macs in the house. Hope I don't have to download the bloody Lion 4 times. My ISP will probably shut me down. I wish Apple would publish the actual options for Lion on multiple computers, restores, etc. I ran away from the PC world for many reasons and I will tell you restoring from a hidden drectory on the hard drive is NOT an option. Plus not everyone has 4GB to spare.

Please stop with the drama. Do you download media? As Apple said, an HD movie runs about 4GB. Watch a few TV shows and you're at 4GB. No ISP cares about 4GB. And if you're really concerned, just take your MacBook to a public wifi area like an Apple store or a library.

Restoring from a separate partition IS an option (it's installed with Lion by default). It's simple, it works, and you'll probably never need to use it anyway.

As Povilas said, you can probably move the installer with a flash drive or external disk.
post #105 of 140
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Originally Posted by Povilas View Post

Download it once and move it to other 3 Macs with flash drive or external hard drive or even burn DVD. What's the problem

That would be great. I just wish Apple would publish it.
post #106 of 140
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Originally Posted by chabig View Post

Please stop with the drama. Do you download media? As Apple said, an HD movie runs about 4GB. Watch a few TV shows and you're at 4GB. No ISP cares about 4GB. And if you're really concerned, just take your MacBook to a public wifi area like an Apple store or a library.

Restoring from a separate partition IS an option (it's installed with Lion by default). It's simple, it works, and you'll probably never need to use it anyway.

As Povilas said, you can probably move the installer with a flash drive or external disk.

My only gripe is if the download messes up halfway, then you've got to keep downloading GBs and GBs... Yes my ISP is that useless. At least with music and videos it's resumeable. Big difference.

That said, digital downloads is where it's at, I can't complain. Manufacturing and shipping all those DVDs is finally coming to an end.
post #107 of 140
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Download it once and move it to other 3 Macs with flash drive or external hard drive or even burn DVD. What's the problem

I think there are some assumptions regarding folks who have hardware that can handle Lion - and how likely they are to have high speed internet. Or maybe Apple is using its own download metrics to gauge how many users have sufficiently fast internet to make download a viable option.

Perhaps they will change their tune when only 10% of users choose to upgrade via download. (or whatever percentage do so).

Maybe they want to have a better idea of just how many users have upgraded - could be part of the reasons for App Store only - of course download once and install throughout your network doesn't tell them any more than buy one copy of DVD and install throughout your network. Maybe asking for download on a second machine can identify the already downloaded copy on your network - or at least if using the same Apple ID that recognizes you have already downloaded will give you an option to locate the file on your network. Which actually allows for a form of validation - even if you have a downloaded copy - if the machine you are trying to load it on isn't authorized under your Apple ID - then it will not install.

recent iOS updates only take me about 5 minutes to download - so I should be okay even if I end up needing to download it several times.
post #108 of 140
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My only gripe is if the download messes up halfway, then you've got to keep downloading GBs and GBs... Yes my ISP is that useless. At least with music and videos it's resumeable. Big difference.

it'll be resumable. The technology to resume has been around a while.
post #109 of 140
I don't think I've downloaded more than a gigabyte file in one shot. Streaming doesn't count because streams can break up for fractions of a second and they resume without any action.

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Originally Posted by Mode View Post

Apple has zero interest in computers that do any sort of production work period.
Lion could very likely be the last OS they develop for desktop platforms before they discontinue them altogether.

7 years from now people will be buying iMac's for $10k and the only thing they will do is display a picture of Steve Jobs with the word 'Worship' under it in a real nice Garamond font.

Any sort of production work? Don't you mean your kind of production work? Just the "restore" feature will pay for the OS pretty quickly in productivity for me. I might even start switching to Mac for my work because of Lion's new features. I didn't before because the existing computer worked well enough. Restore is a feature I was wishing for for almost a decade now. Firewire printing was axed and gone long ago, axed in Tiger I think, it doesn't make sense to bring it up now.

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So why dont you do it now? This has been possible for years. I dont remember when i´ve used the DVD:s...
Just insert the dvd and use diskutility to make copy to your usb stick. Then just select this as your boot drive in settings and boot to the install-usb-stick.

Just because it was possible before doesn't mean that it was necessarily beneficial to do so. I reinstall so rarely that I don't see the value in buying a USB stick dedicated just for an OS installer.
post #110 of 140
I can't wait to watch the Internet and the ISPs on L-Day when Lion becomes available for download. Should be fun to watch. Wonder how the ISPs will deal with it.
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Just so it's clear up front: I think Lion has a lot of interesting features that many user will like. What I write below is simply my opinion on Lion's negatives WRT how I use my Mac for work and fun.

I have been a part of Apple's Appleseed beta program since it began in March. I've been totally immersed in Lion as I've used it for eight-ten hours a day as my primary OS. It has resided on an OWC SSD inside my early 2009 Mac Mini.

1. Preview. I absolutely detest the "versioning" feature in the Lion version of Preview, even though a couple of fellow commenters provided some interesting thoughts about it. My way of doing things since the 1970s is to save early and often, using the cmd-s key combo on Macs since day 1. While some applications will do an auto-save for you, these saves are the entire document. You can all go read on the Apple site how the new versioning works in Preview so I won't go into it here. My problem is that I cannot save a new copy to save my soul. Recently I needed to send a single page from a 20-page PDF document. I thought I had deleted all but the one page in Preview yet the person to whom I sent it asked why I sent everything. So Preview saved the whole document, not just the single page that I wanted. This is the tip of my war against Preview.

2. Mail The new mail really likes to group threads together, even combining previously-read eamils that I thought I had trashed. When I trash an email, I expect it to be gone. Yes, I know that you can go "delete the email trash" somehow, but I really don't want old emails being resurrected just to join a thread. And yes, Mail has an option to have it behave like the old Mail.

3. No Rosetta I know, we have to move forward so OS X doesn't get bloated with support for legacy apps but there are two programs that I use several days a week that are Rosetta-based, so I have needed to boot into Snow Leo just to perform some work with them. Please, no flames about this point!

4. Sluggish It may be my older computer but when I run Lion for a day or two without restarting, overall performance gets jumpy. I'll be typing along when all of a sudden the cursor simply stops even though I'm still typing. After a couple of seconds, the text that I've typed will suddenly appear and off we go again. Other things that happen are slow window drags, slow scrolling (I use a scroll wheel) and slow window refreshes. I've opened Activity Monitor and that shows nothing hogging the memory or processor. According to AM things are working fine. I've booted on my Lion backup drive and I get the same results. Restarting clears things up.

5. Loss of color I really like having colorful icons in my sidebar and elsewhere so this shift by Apple toward shades of gray is not to my liking. It's hard to distinguish among several objects if there aren't the traditional color cues.

6. Address Book I use it a lot and while the look of the new version is nice, it tries to be too smart for me. I like the way the traditional AB looks with three columns and I dislike having to go back and forth from the groups area to individual cards. It's just not comfortable for me.

7. Spotlight Most of the time when I use Spotlight to search for something, I like to know where that file is located. In the Snow Leo Spotlight, a tooltip appears when you mouse over an item that shows the path. This is much easier for me than having to do a cmd-click to open the file's enclosing folder. I don't want to go to the folder, I just want to know where it is.

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While I've been using Lion I noticed a number of apps that don't work under Lion, though developers assure me that there will be Lion versions soon after it's announced. Having gone through the same process with other OS X releases, I have a lot of confidence in the development community

In closing I do want to mention that there are some very attractive new features but they aren't compelling enough for me to buy and install the FCS copy. There are other new features that will make a lot of people pretty excited but are total yawners for me (such as full-screen apps). I am certain that Lion will be very appealing to new users and old, just not to this ancient one.

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i never could upgrade
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i even tried with tons of babying form FMP helpers tp upgrade FMP 11
iam am still on FMP5.5 TODAY

You are hinting that lion will kill rosetta
i hope not
all of your reasons for staying back suck
get over yourself and move on
i myself may be forced too

let me know

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4 macs in the house. Hope I don't have to download the bloody Lion 4 times. My ISP will probably shut me down. I wish Apple would publish the actual options for Lion on multiple computers, restores, etc. I ran away from the PC world for many reasons and I will tell you restoring from a hidden drectory on the hard drive is NOT an option. Plus not everyone has 4GB to spare.

you are acting like a big baby .
unless your on dial up with 9 girls in your house

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I don't think I've downloaded more than a gigabyte file in one shot. Streaming doesn't count because streams can break up for fractions of a second and they resume without any action.

So can downloads - and other TCP/IP related traffic.
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post #114 of 140
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Plus not everyone has 4GB to spare.

Then you don't have to worry about downloading Lion because you don't give a flying frick about it anyway.

Anyone with only 4 free gigabytes on their machine either has a machine too old for Lion (or even Tiger) or doesn't care enough about how their computer works to want an upgrade.
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Originally Posted by lilgto64 View Post

I think there are some assumptions regarding folks who have hardware that can handle Lion - and how likely they are to have high speed internet.

Users download big games from Steam and Mac App Store all the time, so 4 GB Lion install is not even that big. My internet speed right now is ~3-4 Mbps and of course better at night (HSDPA). I can download ~8 GB overnight. Also downloads can be paused and resumed.

I think some are making a problem where there is no problem at all.
post #116 of 140
The download via the Mac App Store was obvious from the first beta release but I'm surprised they aren't offering any DVD, even at an increase $20 per disc or bundle with lLife and iWork, or with OS X Lion Server, especially outside the US.


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I can't wait to watch the Internet and the ISPs on L-Day when Lion becomes available for download. Should be fun to watch. Wonder how the ISPs will deal with it.

I wouldn't expect any issues from them. We're talking about a desktop OS and a file size comparable to a 2 hour HD movie on iTunes Store.

The ones that should be concerned is Apple. If there servers choke on this it won't look good. Same goes for iCloud going live. For iCloud I really wish they would have given it to current MobileMe users and then issued "golden tickets" for current users to disperse until they know they can handle the loads. But hey, if they are sure they can handle all that data and all those requests without real world load testing then more power to them.
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How is this going to work in the business world, do we now have to set up an itunes account for each user? or are there business iTunes accounts.

Do we have to download Lion separately on every mac in the company?

Here's a link that walks you through finding file and creating disk.

http://www.blogchampion.com/blog/201...r-from-ap.html
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Download it once and move it to other 3 Macs with flash drive or external hard drive or even burn DVD. What's the problem

Bingo!

I just don't understand all the comments about the perceived difficulty in downloading, creating a disc with the installer on it, going from mac to Mac and installing the new OS. What's the difficulty in comprehending this? It appears that too many are making Mt. Everest out of an anthill.

In my own case I have a cheap FW external drive that has several partitions on it: My latest OS X, Drive Genius, and Disk Warrior. If I need to do any troubleshooting I just reboot and hold down the ALT key while booting, and select whichever partition I wish. This way is a lot easier and faster than using an optical drive and I can use it on any of our four Macs. IIRC a similarly-partitioned USB drive ought to work as well.
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i use filemaker ro 5.5
i never could upgrade
the fantastic data based SW rocks at 5.5
i even tried with tons of babying form FMP helpers tp upgrade FMP 11
iam am still on FMP5.5 TODAY

You are hinting that lion will kill rosetta
i hope not
all of your reasons for staying back suck
get over yourself and move on
i myself may be forced too

let me know

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BruceP: To you my reasons suck big time; for me they don't. We can agree to disagree.

WRT Rosetta, I am not hinting that Lion will kill it, I am stating a fact. Rosetta will not be part of Lion. Period.

Good luck whichever path you decide to travel.
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Are you serious? Don't you know how to copy the file the app store downloads to other machines? Apple even tells you how! (look for it yourself).

Eriamjh, does this also pertain to any App downloaded via the App Store? If so, could you supply me with that Apple link? I'd just Thanks
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