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SO NOW... iPads are considered PC. You know.. since we've been all told that they are not PC because you need to tether them to PCs to use them

Yes, and no -- the iPad is now officially a post-pc device.

BTW, my 11-year-old grandson (with direction from his 15-year-old sister) did his final term project entirely on an iPad, using iMovie.

He got his grade today... A+... With a comment on his final report card -- "Best EVER project".

That grade, along with the interest, skills and confidence gained, repaid the investment in the iPad -- many times over...

Up until this year, he had always been a poor to average student.

...one happy, grampy!
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We dont know. Now why not get angry about Apple has leapfrogged Android on an Android forum. That leaves the sane people here , people who watch the release of operating systems they actually own, to discuss the actual release v

They are scratching at the walls. When you have the better implementation the only play they have is who had it first.
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post #83 of 212
Well I think the reason this was underwhelming for a lot of people is because it seems a good chuck of the big hitters in this keynote were fixing deficiencies.

Personally I really love what saw. No I didn't see alot of surprises, but I considered Android as being fairly equal but based on your own usage most people certainly should prefer one over the other.

Well, this put alot of Android advantages to bed IMO. Even apple just fixing things and adding some already available features is a big deal.

I think a bigger screen is the last big thing to address, but I do think these improvements make iOS and the iPhone #1 again for the mass majority.

Have to admit though, I'm disappointed in the waiting, thats not typical of apple for existing product updates. Should have been in July with Lion IYAM.

I really hope that some additional features come on board, otherwise it doesn't seem to make sense that they are making everyone wait for 3 more months. Facebook integration would have been 1000x more useful than twitter for me, but thats a personal complaint.
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Looks to me like a piece of crap.

I'm asking about features to help me decide if I should switch to Android.

I think you're asking the wrong people- We are yet to use iOS 5.
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When can we start signing up for the free @me.com accounts?

When you upgrade to iOS5 or buy an iDevice with iOS5 on it.
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

All the little things will really add up in this update. The greatly enhanced mail, camera and other apps are some of the things on my wish list. The funny thing here is that I really don't care about notifications that seem to have taken over this thread, it really isn't important how they are done for me as long as I get the message.

I'm actually a bit disappointed that no new hardware has been announced yet, grooving on the idea of a 15" AIR. Also the tumors about new Time Capsules was enticing. I have to wonder if we will have an announcement later this month.

Yeah, the "home-server" -- maybe better called called iCloud-Local -- is still a need to be filled.

It could have been announced here -- but maybe better at the end of the month -- or sometime before the FCPX announcement in July.

The fact that Apple is very much into shuffling around only delta data makes me believe that this concept will be a major part of media management for Pro apps.
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Kind of like this one Apple introduced in 1992?

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Originally Posted by Jexus View Post

Google is the least dangerous to Apple in terms of actually going to sue. Since Android itself is under the GNU license, Google won't really have a case unless Apple specifically steals code or specific functions from proprietary apps.

If I was Apple I would be checking the crowd for HTC and Samsung personnel, Which CAN sue on the base of their OEM skins which are not by default bare Android.

Are you kidding me? Because something is licensed under GNU GPL doesn't mean it doesn't have trademarks, copyrights, etc.
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Yes, and no -- the iPad is now officially a post-pc device.

BTW, my 11-year-old grandson (with direction from his 15-year-old sister) did his final term project entirely on an iPad, using iMovie.

He got his grade today... A+... With a comment on his final report card -- "Best EVER project".

That grade, along with the interest, skills and confidence gained, repaid the investment in the iPad -- many times over...

Up until this year, he had always been a poor to average student.

...one happy, grampy!

Congrats!

 

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post #90 of 212
Anyone catch that only devices compatible with iOS 4.3 are eligible? That means Verizon iPhone users, like myself, aren't going to get it. We waited...only to get screwed!
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Anyone catch that only devices compatible with iOS 4.3 are eligible? That means Verizon iPhone users, like myself, aren't going to get it. We waited...only to get screwed!

I suspect that the Verizon iPhone 4 will be supported by iOS 5. I think only iPhone 3G was dropped since that model is approaching three years old and iOS 4 had performance issues on it.
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That's so much stuff that I have a feeling this was Jobs last time as ring master and his greatest Show on Earth.

Sadly, you may be right...

The MR feed said that Steve didn't look good -- just tired.

There are a few missing bits -- but the way we interact with content, and each other and our devices was redefined today... Likely, that renaissance will outlast my generation -- but empower generations to come.

What an inspiring example Steve Jobs has presented!
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post #93 of 212
I was all set to buy an Android based phone. iOS5 addressed everything I thought was missing in the iPhone. Now, I'm seriously rethinking.

I think Apple was smart in copying BBM, Android notifications and others UI's. These are things people want and Apple listened.

Biggest thing I am happy to see is now wireless integration. I have collected about 10 of those stupid 30pin to USB connectors. Maybe the new iPods, iPads and iPhones will switch to micro-USB connectors?
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Someone please tell me that IOS5 will finally allow saving and filing of articles of interest on my iPad
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Yes, and no -- the iPad is now officially a post-pc device.

You and me know that. But for the PC crowd, and Mr Ballmer, there is no such thing as a post-PC. Everything is a PC... except the iPad because it tethers to a PC. That was their excuse. I wonder what will they say now.

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BTW, my 11-year-old grandson (with direction from his 15-year-old sister) did his final term project entirely on an iPad, using iMovie.

He got his grade today... A+... With a comment on his final report card -- "Best EVER project".

That grade, along with the interest, skills and confidence gained, repaid the investment in the iPad -- many times over...

Up until this year, he had always been a poor to average student.

...one happy, grampy!

Congrats
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Looks to me like a piece of crap.

I'm asking about features to help me decide if I should switch to Android.

Do us a favor... Switch To Android!
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lol. Before name calling, have the decency to read multiple websites. How about, A LOT of them do that. There was someone on this board in this thread who already said iOs's notifications are much more elegant. Go to Android sites, and see the fanbois out there. I know a lot of them do appreciate them, and I am assuming you are one. I have seen comments like "Apple's notification system is just 1,0, wait for the 2.0, it will be revolutionary and blow Android out of the water" etc etc. So before calling me an asshole, go and get outside your cocoon of reading only specific websites. I happen to read everything that interests me, so I see a lot more fanboism than you do. Im actually not offended, but laughing. Its hilarious.

Actually it's you that is blinkered and ignorant, Android fan boy that you are. Most iOS users have been pretty much in agreement that if Apple were to improve anything on iOS, is should have been notifications first.

As far as Apple fanboys infesting Android sites, utter and complete bullshit. You're straight up lying. OTOH, go to the comments on pretty much any Apple article on any tech site and listen to the long, ugly yowl of the Android army as they belittle the site management for sucking Apple's dick for even mentioning the name and bellowing about the "fanboys" and what they'd probably be saying or thinking, if they were actually in evidence.

Kind of like what your'e doing here. I mean, you're reduced to incomprehensible gibberish like claiming that people are responding well to Apple's just announced notification system is evidence that they thought Apple's notification was better all along.

I'm glad you think being an asshole is funny, but it isn't really. Android people are the biggest douchebags on the internet, constantly on the lookout for any Apple news they can shit on. I guess iOS users are too busy enjoying their gear to bother to do the same-- although apparently they don't have to, since the average Android user is convinced that these fan boys are everywhere, just about to say something stupid.

Really, look at this thread. Apple oriented site, Apple announces big update to iOS that addresses a lot of long standing complaints, and there are half a dozen assholes on the thread smirking and trolling and talking about "catch up" and "copying." You'd never see that on an Android site in a million years. Asshole.
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Originally Posted by neiltc13 View Post

Cupertino, start your photocopiers!

They may be similar...but look at how much more elegant and professional Apple's version's are. Apple never claims to be always first...just the best.

Insufferable suck-up comments like this make me cringe.

There are still better Notifications (LockInfo) and messaging apps (BiteSMS) in the jailbreak community and Apple are not the first or the best.
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Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post

Are you kidding me? Because something is licensed under GNU GPL doesn't mean it doesn't have trademarks, copyrights, etc.

Did you read my post? Or the first 10 words?

Nothing in the Notifications that Apple has implemented is SPECIFIC to Google.

Google doesn't want to sue and Apple and vice versa. But apple has sued Google Indirectly. Hell, Microsoft makes a boatload of more money off of Android than it does windows phone 7 due to one of those patent cases.

However, if you recall, Apple was allowed to sue HTC for the lock-screen function a few years back. Lockscreen Notification was specifically implemented into Samsung's touchwiz, and MS has been able to utilize the camera, and HTC some other apps from the lockscreen. It all depends on how aggressive these companies are.

But I expect no response, because both companies are currently competing for the hearts of the XDA community. Motorola will ride the "cool" factor of android as much as it can. HTC, Samsung and LG will probably the only REAL manufacturers pushing android forward.
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Originally Posted by Mac.World View Post

I was all set to buy an Android based phone. iOS5 addressed everything I thought was missing in the iPhone. Now, I'm seriously rethinking.

I think Apple was smart in copying BBM, Android notifications and others UI's. These are things people want and Apple listened.

Biggest thing I am happy to see is now wireless integration. I have collected about 10 of those stupid 30pin to USB connectors. Maybe the new iPods, iPads and iPhones will switch to micro-USB connectors?

I'm still undecided as to whether to switch or stay with the iPhone. I like the new Safari and Safai reader, and frankly had notifications and wireless synch covered well with jailbroken apps.
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What happened to deep voice integration? How much longer before Apple releases some product after the Sirus acquisition?
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

That's so much stuff that I have a feeling this was Jobs last time as ring master and his greatest Show on Earth.

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I have the same feeling too! \ I already miss him

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Sadly, you may be right...

The MR feed said that Steve didn't look good -- just tired.

At the dark end of the bazaar, in the shadows of the arcade, the old women talk among themselves, their eyes shaded by their babushkas. What are they whispering about . . . ?

Seriously, you guys, we don't know anything, even though the experts at MacRumors have given their opinion, so these are unseemly musings. Handwringing. Chin up, the less said the better.
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At the dark end of the bazaar, in the shadows of the arcade, the old women talk among themselves, their eyes shaded by their babushkas. What are they whispering about . . . ?

Seriously, you guys, we don't know anything, even though the experts at MacRumors have given their opinion, so these are unseemly musings. Handwringing. Chin up, the less said the better.

He seemed fine to me.
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Why are you showing other people your phone?

So you've never ever lent your phone to someone, or put it down for a sec?
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He seemed fine to me.

Very famous last words.
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Very famous last words.

Which is exactly why such talk is inappropriate to begin with. It brings out the ghouls.

And we don't know anything, so it's just gossip.
post #107 of 212
A bit disapointed.

-No deeply integrated voice control
-No turn by turn gps or maps
-Same grid interface

There's some cool stuff, but lacking some of the killer features of other OS's.
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He seemed fine to me.

Thank you. His voice is strong, and by minute one, we've already been given a brilliant new paradigm.

Back to watching the video . . .
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Originally Posted by Masterz1337 View Post

A bit disapointed.

-No deeply integrated voice control
-No turn by turn gps or maps
-Same grid interface

There's some cool stuff, but lacking some of the killer features of other OS's.

As an Android user, I say this is good enough. I might thinking of switching if an iPhone comes out on my network (my plan is far more valuable than any device I use - $40 for unlimited voice, messaging and data per month).

The turn-by-turn GPS would be missed. But it's a question of whether you are willing to spring for the full price nav apps on the App Store.

The grid interface issue can be annoying depending on how you organize things. But for most people it's fine. Most Android users use themed screens for apps and widgets. I guess iOS will kinda get you close with folders (them your apps per folder?). If you use a lot of widgets though, having them all in the drop down bar is not that great. Plus Apple should have put the power control widget in the drop down bar. That's supremely useful.

As for voice control. No question that Google really beats out Apple on this one.

For me, the one other thing I've always found annoying (and I don't know how iPhone users can stand it) is the constant need to pan around on a webpage because text doesn't reflow. This is on par with notification issue. But they didn't fix it.
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

I think you're asking the wrong people- We are yet to use iOS 5.

Finally, an awnser that doesnt verge on lunacy

it will also be interesting to figure out if the lock screen notices appear when the phone is locked with a pin... never mind how much of the text messages are shown on the lock screen

</leaving phone on your desk while in a meeting, only to have your wife start sexting and your office mates looking at your 'locked' phone>
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"Notification Center, an innovative way to easily view and manage notifications in one place without interruption"

Innovative? Really? It's a direct copy of what Android has had since Day 1. That's not innovation. That's called finally catching up. Same with the syncing.

I still wish Android was as snappy as the iPhone, but the syncing, Maps and notifications haven't been matched yet.
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Software updates will also be available over the air, and they will be delta updates, so that users will only need to download what has changed.

But what about:

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A patch? You have to be kidding.

But if you are siting Android as a perfect example of how it should be done, I can see how you think that patches is the way to go.

And just ow many apps have you gotten that are near 500MB in size?

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Much prefer to download the whole updated app than using patches.

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I absolutely agree -- the era where software publishers had to agonize over how many floppies or CDs to ship an update on is long, long gone. Ditto for the era where a hundred megabytes was an enormous hard-drive chewing download.

Patches are an open invitation to a whole slew of virtually untraceable bugs, while whole-app downloads guarantee a uniform user experience (at least on Apple hardware, where virtually every physical device can be tested with ease by even the smallest developers).

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Oh no. No patching. All or nothing, no patching.

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a patch? lol so it can grow heavy and slow like the windowze? no thanks.

Let the backtracking begin.
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Originally Posted by kedmond View Post

"Notification Center, an innovative way to easily view and manage notifications in one place without interruption"

Innovative? Really? It's a direct copy of what Android has had since Day 1. That's not innovation. That's called finally catching up. Same with the syncing.

I still wish Android was as snappy as the iPhone, but the syncing, Maps and notifications haven't been matched yet.

The Syncing is much more comprehensive. Apple is behind on maps, but thats because the rely on google.
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So you've never ever lent your phone to someone, or put it down for a sec?

Of course not.

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post #115 of 212
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Looks to me like a piece of crap.

I'm asking about features to help me decide if I should switch to Android.

Yes, please. Switch to Android.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Of course not.

So you went and did it, you fused your phone to your hand. How's that working out for you?
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The Syncing is much more comprehensive. Apple is behind on maps, but thats because the rely on google.

They may rely on Google, But Apple has the final say on what goes on the iOS version of Maps. If anything is behind it's android counterpart, it's the OEM's doing, not Google's as they push out updates for every platform regardless.
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Originally Posted by neiltc13 View Post

Cupertino, start your photocopiers!

Yeah, those photocopiers haven't been used very much. Last time it was Xerox PARC. It's usually the other guys that are copying Apple, but feel free to gloat this time. You won't get many chances to

One more thing, can anyone remind us again what Android would have looked like in a world without the iPhone? Anyone?

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One more thing, can anyone remind us again what Android would have looked like in a world without the iPhone? Anyone?

Sure:

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Yeah, those photocopiers haven't been used very much. Last time it was Xerox PARC. It's usually the other guys that are copying Apple, but feel free to gloat this time. You won't get many chances to

One more thing, can anyone remind us again what Android would have looked like in a world without the iPhone? Anyone?

It matters not if Apple recognized that the best way to handle notifications (or any other basic feature) was to mimic Android. They took an idea from WebOS, and another from Microsoft too. Just as anyone else mimicking an Apple way of handling something, it's only acknowledging that that someone else has it pretty much correct. It would be pretty short-sighted and stubborn to be different "just because".

In this case simply an Apple tip of the cap to Android for notifications. If they thought there was a better way to do it they would have. No biggie. They've all taken ideas from each other and tried to do them better.
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