Apple shows off its networking savvy at WWDC - Page 3

I noticed that they only compared Mac App Store to physical retail stores. They did not mention anything about downloading software directly from the manufacturer.

And sit there for how long?

Schiller, "In the last 6 months the Mac App Store has become the number one PC software channel for buying software. That's incredible."

Source: WWDC 2011 keynote video, 16m:50s

Or go to an Apple Store where you might have picked it up anyway or tried to test it and DL it from there. I usually get about 16Mb/s so the 3.4GB file be done in under 30 minutes. With their content it seems to be faster. I think they may have a local server cache just for that contingency.

Google "Snow Leopard internet sharing" and you'll see the top searches Google suggests are "not working, greyed out, fails, problems, issues, etc." Some people have wasted days and even weeks trying unsuccessfully to get it to work, and have posted such on the Apple Support forums.

Apple has nice consumer equipment, but it cannot match a enterprise Cisco network.

Aggregated alarm notifications
Automated browser redirect
Simplified setup and configuration
Quick and advanced searches
Location tracking of client, Wi-Fi, and rogue devices
Inventory reports
Secure administrative access


Cisco is the vendor
Here are the components that make up the network Apple made.

Access Point
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10981/index.html

Wireless Controller
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10315/index.html

Wireless Control System (WCS)
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6305/index.html

Wireless Control System Navigator
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps7305/index.html



Cisco

5. could he not set up a DL before he goes to sleep ???

6/And sinceApple has changed the game i feel i mst inform the big damn babies here if you DOWNLOAD anything from app store <<even items 2 yrs ago >>> i counts on any of your machines and if you lose it App store gives it back to you ..
BOOTABLE DISC ?? would not the hardware test disc work just as well ??

just saying

its hot in nyc 100 degrees in the shade


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it took 34 days

The benefit of having the DVD media is that it is bootable, and provides standalone installation. If Apple distributed full retail copies of Lion on a read-only USB flash drive, that would probably satisfy most of the DVD crowd.

As for DVDs being out of date, perhaps Apple should take a look at Microsoft's "slipstreaming" technique, where you can apply the latest updates to a Windows install disk, thereby creating an up-to-date installation disk.

The questions I have about App Store-only distribution of Lion:

Will the file you download from the Mac App Store allow you to create a standalone USB or Firewire boot disk that you can run the Lion installer from, without having to first install previous versions of Mac OS?

And would it provide all the options typically available from the bootable DVD installer, such as "Archive and Install" and "Erase and Install"?

What about companies that have not yet upgraded their older Intel Macs to Snow Leopard due to issues such as compatibility with older software. Would there be a way for them to upgrade those Macs directly to Lion without having to first upgrade to 10.5, then 10.6?

Can IT departments copy the Lion installer and run it on a Snow Leopard Mac that is not signed in to the App Store?

How does Mac App Store authorization affect companies that use disk images for setting up dozens or hundreds of Macs? Does every Mac in the company need to be signed in to a Mac App Store account with credit card info?

Not everyone has bandwidth time to waste on downloading > 4GB of data over the net, and no that won't take less time than slot loading a disc and installing it.

For enterprise and SMB adoption, a local iCloud server has to happen.

This has been stated ad naeusem for months now. It takes less than 5 minutes to create a bootable backup of Lion. If you want to this to be a DVD and not a HDD or NAND, then add a couple more minutes for your optical burner and even more for it to check the burn. It's not a big fucking deal.

If you are still using Leopard 2 years after Snow Leopard shipped you're unlikely to be wanting to get the latest OS right when it comes out. No company should have to work around so many niggling requests by a few fringe users.


PS: Anyone who wants Lion on a DVD can send me $129 plus S&H. All proceeds will be donated to The Halfwit House on your behalf.



It would likely take less time and effort from the time that you'd order them online, with one being DLed and the other shipped.

This has to be one of the most ludicrous things I have read in theses forums in a LONG time.

So if you prefer clean installs, how many times do you boot up before you consider your install dirty and start over again?



I suspect you are dismissing TM or cloning since it negates your "objection" about download only - nice attempt but pretty lame.

It will be like 99% of all Windows's PCs that ship - a recovery partition that it's your responsibility to back up.

I expect they will provide a facility to do so - but I wouldn't expect it to be optical. You can see where Apple is going with the MacBook Air - I expect you will be able to back it up to a flash drive. Since you can get a 2GB flash drive for 25 slurpees I doubt that will be a hardship for anyone. No harder than picking up a couple of blank DVDs.

Electrons are easier to recycle too!

Are you for real? PC users haven't gotten DVD media in years and MS raised the price of Windows!

Apple cut it by $100 and your whining you don't get a DVD that the vast majority of people use once, maybe twice? Yup, that's the kind of convenience that the expense and waist of materials is entirely justified for. Bravo!

They don't have McDonalds in Indiana? Fascinating!


indeed

I lol'd!

This may come as a shock to some (who seem to have ignorance for the laws of physics but I digress) - wired is faster than wireless and has significantly more capacity which is important when you are, say, tossing around 4GB installations of OS's and Development platforms.

That's the difference between Apple and smart a$$ forum posters - Apple = Professionals. Forum posters - well, you get the idea...

What about the negative effect on the environment in producing all the electricity needed for the download method?

That's funny, because the copy of Windows 7 I got came with a DVD

This?

"...posted over 1,000 wired Ethernet jacks..." Very impressive, but why no Thunderbolt ports? Installing Thunderbolt would be a great marketing tool, right?

You want a disc, make one. In fact if you want to be really clever you could

1. make a separate partition on your system
2. Install SL then upgrade to Lion
3. install all your apps, register etc as appropriate
4. Update everything for all patches etc
5. Clone it to a bootable emergency disk

Then install your data from the other partition. Now giving you a working Lion partion, a SL partion in case something is boinked under Lion and a back up disk that will put all your apps back in place if something goes south. Just add in a constant back up of your data and you are set.

Hmmm - irrelevant, ecologically illiterate and homophobic all in one small post.

Apple doesn't set the software prices for developers but App Store prices are supposed to be the best price the developer offers, as per Apple's developer agreement. If a corporation chooses to block the App Store, how is that Apple's problem?

Or you can get even more clever and create a bootable install disc, either as a DVD or a separate partition. I've been doing the latter for years, even before Disk Utility in Snow Leopard made it cake walk to set up.

1) Show Package Contents of Install Mac OS X Lion.app in /Applications, then Mount /Content/Shared Support/InstallESD.dmg.

2) Open Disk Utility. Click on Restore on any tab. Drag InstallESD.dmg as source and drag any free ≥ 8GB partition or blank DL-DVD as source.

3) Click Restore button.

Except for the very very few people who actually have Thunderbolt still.

Pretty embarrassing when your developers come up to you to get new software and you can't give it to them because you don't support their computer.

Maybe - just maybe - Apple has considered that and devised a solution. Maybe - just maybe - they have placed a boot ROM in every machine that can at least fire up the machine and bring you to a screen where you can re-download the OS from the cloud, along with your other apps and documents.

Do you expect a network based install to be faster?

I'm not seeing any evidence of a boot ROM but I wouldn't expect to. They have the Recovery HD in case something goes wrong with your volume/partition. That is the most likely situation and that can access your networking HW.

If the physical drive goes bad and needs to be replaced that Recovery HD volume is not applicable but savvy users would have not only copied the "Install Mac OS X Lion.app" file to another drive, but would have also used Disk Utility to make a bootable disk from the InstallESD.dmg hidden inside it.

Furthermore, this problem of your physical drive going bad is becoming less of an issue of users as Apple will move more of their devices to NAND-based boot partitions. What percentage of Mac HDDs die? What percentage of those are likely to be replaced by the owner, not fixed via Apple or a 3rd-party's repair shop in or out of warranty? I'd like the primary Lion installer to offer a "Create Lion Restore Disc" option but it's easy enough that I will not have a problem walking my parents through it's few steps.

The internet is a big place with lots of users. You can "Google" for problems with ANYTHING, and even if that thing has a super low problem rate (you know, fraction of people with problems vice those with none) you're going to get a whole bunch of hits.

In other words, "Googling" for a problem and observing how many hits you get is NOT a way to prove that something is a major problem.

Thompson

And hence my point: Apple can't just design to "savvy users", because that is probably less than 25% of their customer base. They must have a solution that "just works". I bet they have one, whether it is apparent right now or not. (Don't take my particular example of a "Boot ROM" too seriously.)

Thompson

Interpretation: I want a horse. No mechanized buggy for me.

NOTE: Nothing personal :-)

Thats because users of Ipad, Ipod and Iphone don't have a choice!!

This has absolutely nothing to do with the App Store on iOS devices. This is talking about the Mac App Store.

I'm sure that Apple's volumes would cost less than a dollar a disc including silk screen and packaging. Seems to be about the same as the cost of bandwidth with many services.

I find this of interest - Apple's expanded view of Recovery Mode. It not only includes the reinstallation of OS X, but also the Safari app to access the Apple Support site, plus restoring from Time Machine.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-ne...nternetrestore

Yeah, because that's really keeping enterprise and SMB from using Amazon's cloud.

Oh, wait...

SMB doesn't want another damned box to worry about. It wants the cloud to make everything magical fairy go away. Apple's interest in SMB is only passing anyway. Maybe some day there will be iCloud for enterprise, but with only 5GB of storage, it's not enough even for small businesses like the ones I own.

Internet sharing works great here. Probably once a week I share my Clear signal over wifi. Occasionally I'll share my wifi signal over Firewire. Everything works perfectly.

Sorry you're having problems, but maybe try to go beat that dead horse in the appropriate thread, instead of bringing it up everywhere you go. People might respect your opinion on the matter more, and not automatically think you're a lunatic looking for attention.