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Briefly: iTunes in the Cloud held up in UK; iPhone in space; Android messaging

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The music portion of Apple's new iCloud has reportedly been delayed in the U.K. as the company negotiates with rights holders. Meanwhile, the iPhone is going to sent into space for to for a series of diagnostic experiments. Also, a new report claims Google is working on a rival messaging service to the recently announced iMessage feature in iOS 5.

iCloud U.K.

The Telegraph reported Thursday that the music storage part of Apple's iCloud, which launches in the U.S. this fall, won't arrive in the U.K. until the first quarter of 2012 at the earliest.

According to a spokesman for the Performing Right Society, negotiations with Apple have not gone far. "The licensing team at the PRS have started talks with Apple, but are a long way off from any deals being signedIt is very much the early stages of the negotiations and is similar to the launch of iTunes which began in the US and took a while to roll out to other countries, he said.

A music executive at a major record label corroborated the PRS spokesman's comments, noting that "tentative talks" have begun between Apple and the labels, but "no one expects to see the cloud music service live on this side of the pond until 2012.

Prior to Apple's formal unveiling of iCloud, a number of music industry insiders indicated that Apple was in negotiations with the major U.S. music labels. According to sources, Apple didn't finalize negotiations with Universal Music Group until last Thursday, just days before a keynote announcing the service. The Cupertino, Calif., company may have paid as much as $150 million in "advanced payments" to get the service off the ground.

Apple's iTunes in the Cloud feature stores all previously purchased iTunes music for users to download to their devices. The new iTunes Match service, which will cost $24.99 a year when it launches this fall, will scan a user's music library and mirror songs that match iTunes Store offerings in the cloud.



iPhone in orbit

Apple's iPhone will make its first trip into space aboard the final flight of the Atlantis Space Shuttle on July 8, 2011, as noted by TUAW. A set of iPhone 4s will hitch a ride on the Atlantis and spend several months on the International Space Station before returning home on the Russian Soyuz.

In total, four experiments will be performed while the iPhones are in space. Limb Tracker will measure altitude above the Earth's surface by measuring the curvature of the Earth's limb. Sensor Calibration will combine photos of a QR barcode with accelerometer and gyro measurements in order to calibrate sensors for future flights. State Acquisition will match up photos from space with a coastline model to estimate latitude and longitude. Finally, Lifecycle Flight Instrumentation will collect data on how space flight affects the iPhone hardware.

A $0.99 simulated version of the app is available on iTunes for interested users. Developed by Odyssey Space Research, the "SpaceLab for iOS" app is identical to the one loaded on the iPhones headed to space, though not all of the experiments will produce results while on the ground.\t

"I'm pretty sure this is the very first iPhone to go into space," said Odyssey Space Research CEO Brian Rishikof.

Android messages

After Apple announced a new iMessage feature in iOS 5 on Monday, several reports suggested this week that carriers were caught off guard by the revelation. iMessage will allow users of iOS devices, including the iPad and the iPod touch, to send text, photos, videos, locations and contacts to each other over Wi-Fi or 3G.

Wireless operators may have even further cause for concern, as Google is reportedly working on a competing messaging application for its Android mobile operating system, The Wall Street Journal reports.

According to wireless industry trade group CTIA, U.S. cellphone users sent 1 trillion texts in the second half of 2010, up 8.7 percent from the first half of last year. Revenue from text messages reached $25 billion in the U.S. and Canada last year, the report noted. In addition to jeopardizing SMS revenues of wireless carriers, iMessage could also pose a threat to Research in Motion, which operates a proprietary BlackBerry Messenger service for its smartphones.

Analysts were generally positive about Apple's software-related announcements on Monday and expect new features such as iCloud and iMessage to drive sales of iOS devices and increase the "stickiness" of the platform. iOS 5 includes 200 new user features and will be offered as a free update this fall.
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Yup... Google, fire up your photocopiers. Of course, everyone will say Apple copied this from BlackBerry to start with. More lawsuits in 3, 2, 1...
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Google is so disgusting! They always want to copy from Apple.
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The carriers can just remove the feature if they want. After all, Android is open.
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1) It really sounds like iTunes Match will covert files to DRM-free 256kbps AAC based on the metadata. This seems like it can get easily abused and so after one year of usage I wonder if the usage rate will drop significantly.

2) The iPhone isn't the first smartphone in space?

3) iMessage feels pretty solid. I wonder if Apple was sitting on this app until the iCloud -and- addition of a 2nd US carrier were added. It seems like it's based used by the FaceTime servers so I hope we see it added to Lion with the next beta.
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Damned UK record companies! It shouldn't take another six months to negotiate this.

iCloud isn't going to be of much use to us in the UK until we get all the features that the US has, at least not to me.
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2) The iPhone isn't the first smartphone in space?
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I thought any phones that get up into space is suppose to be smart? Otherwise any school dropouts can become astronauts?

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Damned UK record companies! It shouldn't take another six months to negotiate this.

iCloud isn't going to be of much use to us in the UK until we get all the features that the US has, at least not to me.

Just like NFL lock-outs with issue on TV revenues, it is all about money. If the US can command $150m advance, how much can Apple pay the Brits? I'm glad it s only $25+ subscription for Match. Not too expensive for customers but importantly, with the contents that iTunes store have, if not many people actually subscribe those labels/publishers won't get much money either.
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

Yup... Google, fire up your photocopiers. Of course, everyone will say Apple copied this from BlackBerry to start with. More lawsuits in 3, 2, 1...

GTalk?
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GTalk?

iChat?

ICQ?

IRC?
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iChat?

ICQ?

IRC?

Exactly, nor Apple copied anything from RIM nor Google from Apple in this case. Both of them had messaging applications
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iPhone in SPACE!!! You know those iPhones probably have more processing power than all of the Shuttle's ancient flight computers, from when was it...1979? Something like that?

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Google is so disgusting! They always want to copy from Apple.

Yes, but Google apologists will say they've been working on theirs since 2003. Also, it will be in beta for the next five years. And no, carriers won't be able to remove it

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Wireless operators may have even further cause for concern, as Google is reportedly working on a competing messaging application for its Android mobile operating system, The Wall Street Journal reports.

Great! So now we have both Apple and Google working hard on platform lock-in... and the only service that could currently offer a decent cross platform solution is being sat on by Microsoft. \

How about:
1. Microsoft partner with Facebook, combine Messenger and Skype with the Facebook social graph and offer a messaging/chat/voice/video platform... then release the API for Apple, Google, HP, RIM etc to implement or
2. Apple combine Facetime/iMessage/iChat, extend Facetime to include voice, then release the specification for Google, Microsoft, HP, RIM etc to implement.



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Yup... Google, fire up your photocopiers. Of course, everyone will say Apple copied this from BlackBerry to start with. More lawsuits in 3, 2, 1...

I think these days everyone is living in a glass house.
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Google is so disgusting! They always want to copy from Apple.

Yes!! They'll be copying Apple's new notification system next!!
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Great! So now we have both Apple and Google working hard on platform lock-in...

Google won't lock you in. If it is GoogleTalk then you can access that through Google app or loads of 3 party apps in the Appstore.. if it's GoogleTalk.
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Speaking of carriers and their reactions to Apple's software...

Any chance we'll see FaceTime supported on 3G like iMessages will be this year?
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[...] before returning home on the Russian Soyuz.

I won't let my credit card info within 10km distance of any of those iPhones

I bet they'll make it back to earth with MacDefender installed!
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Regarding iMessage, and some of the other features: I wish they would include OSX in the ecosystem.

Throughout the keynote and on Apple's site, they switch between 'all devices' meaning all iOS devices and other times meaning iOS plus OSX. Another example is the iBooks reader, which should be a proper app on OSX.

If they do this work, they will start to see the possibility of a more declarative language that can run universally across the systems.

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1) It really sounds like iTunes Match will covert files to DRM-free 256kbps AAC based on the metadata. This seems like it can get easily abused and so after one year of usage I wonder if the usage rate will drop significantly.

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Yes, I was wondering about that. It might be possible to use a single subscription to 'clean' a music collection.

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Yes!! They'll be copying Apple's new notification system next!!

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1) It really sounds like iTunes Match will covert files to DRM-free 256kbps AAC based on the metadata. This seems like it can get easily abused and so after one year of usage I wonder if the usage rate will drop significantly.

No, I think (I'm pretty sure actually) they will use an algorithm similar to Shazam's to effectively recognize the music. This actually already exists on the Mac as a companion to iTunes called TuneUp, it scans your songs and corrects the ID3 tags. However I do hope Apple will do a better job cos TuneUp was (is?) really slow, not really scalable (could only process lists of 500 songs at a time, and often crashed) and did an awful job with albums, preferring multi-artist compilations over original albums...
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I think these days everyone is living in a glass house.

I think as always people are doing BS on the web for more ad clicks and web site hits.

We all know that Apple is thinking into the future a lot. Just remember Tiger and all transitions. Obviously Apple was looking into wireless sync at that time already.

Apple doesn't do copy at least not something that obvious.

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I think these days everyone is living in a glass house.

I don't think iTunes WiFi syncing is a copy of the app, unless code was stolen. But very naughty of Apple to have ripped off the icon, if true.
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Wonder why Apple does not bother entering negotiations sooner with the EU/British side on things.

We are still waiting to get half of the functionality that Apple TV customers in the US have, yet Apple does not seem to care as long as the US is covered. Very frustrating.
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iPhone in SPACE!!! You know those iPhones probably have more processing power than all of the Shuttle's ancient flight computers, from when was it...1979? Something like that?



You are probably confusing ISS & now non-existing MIR.
ISS started in 1998, MIR was orbiting the Earth 1986 - 2001 when it was sent down back to Earth to burn in the atmosphere.

But you may be interested in this:

http://suzymchale.com/ruspace/isscomp.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...n-laptops.html
http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/s...omputer-crisis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6763173.stm
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I have a hard enough time with the iPhone autorotating the screen sometimes on earth. Good luck in zero-G.

And AT&T reception should be about the same as on earth.
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iPhone in SPACE!!! You know those iPhones probably have more processing power than all of the Shuttle's ancient flight computers, from when was it...1979? Something like that?

I believe I read that the computers on the Space Shuttle are like 1975 design and about PC/XT in power. But the programing is all in machine language so it very lightweight. They do use some modern additions I would think for navigation and they do have modern laptops on board. But yeah, the computers and programming had to be done before the space shuttle ever took off so it's older than the first shuttle flight for sure.
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Also, a new report claims Google is working on a rival messaging service to the recently announced iMessage feature in iOS 5.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_talk



Come on AI this is pathetic, at least TRY next time....
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Meanwhile, the iPhone is going to sent into space for to for a series of diagnostic experiments.

I normally hate the grammar police, but this is a horribly constructed sentence. What the heck does, "for to for a series...," mean??!! I read that sentence several times trying to male sense of it, but gave up and moved on. You have to do more than run spell check, these sites need editors. Guess I hate myself now, thanks a lot bin Laden (The Hangover 1).
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Exactly, nor Apple copied anything from RIM nor Google from Apple in this case. Both of them had messaging applications

The thing that iMessage brings to the table, that nothing else currently does, is the seamless integration.

All existing IM clients and BBM operate using a separate application. iMessage does SMS/MMS/iMessage from within the same app, regardless of the recipient AND across iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPad, iPad 2, iPod Touch (3rd gen and up). That's the innovation!
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It would be very interesting if Google fuses gtalk and the Android Messaging app, because gtalk also works on the web in a browser. So you can respond using a real keyboard when you're at your desk.
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Hmm .. I hope they have instructional video on the shuttle to remind them to turn their iphones off during takeoff
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The thing that iMessage brings to the table, that nothing else currently does, is the seamless integration.

WP7 demoed the unified message hub 2 weeks ago.

Facebook chat, SMS and Messenger, all in the one hub.
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I think these days everyone is living in a glass house.

Uh-huh, and he "copied" the idea from Microsoft, who offered the same feature on Zunes years ago.

Except, no he didn't, the idea's blindingly obvious and the icon's not exactly a work of creative genius. Here's what Apple did:

They had an icon for Wi-Fi connections, and an icon for syncing. They wanted an icon for Wi-Fi syncing. They made the brilliant logical leap of...Combining the Wi-Fi icon with the syncing icon.

Believe it or not, coincidences happen. And no amount of sensationalist tabloid journalism by the Reg is going to change that.

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Why does Google need their own messaging service? We'll never get rid of texting fees if every phone maker has their own separate messaging option.
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Why does Google need their own messaging service? We'll never get rid of texting fees if every phone maker has their own separate messaging option.

Not necessarily. It's entirely possible that eventually these message systems will end up interoperable. European telecom regulators may even end up requiring it.
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Uh-huh, and he "copied" the idea from Microsoft, who offered the same feature on Zunes years ago.

Point still stands. There is a fair bit of copying going on from all sides these days.



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Not necessarily. It's entirely possible that eventually these message systems will end up interoperability. European telecom regulators may even end up requiring it.

Now that would be an awesome resolution to the problem!

Could you imagine it! Microsoft, Apple, Google and Facebook all getting together to knock out an interoperability standard for messaging, chat, voice and video calls!

The poor carrier CEO's would have a collective heart attack!
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1) It really sounds like iTunes Match will covert files to DRM-free 256kbps AAC based on the metadata. This seems like it can get easily abused and so after one year of usage I wonder if the usage rate will drop significantly.

2) The iPhone isn't the first smartphone in space?

3) iMessage feels pretty solid. I wonder if Apple was sitting on this app until the iCloud -and- addition of a 2nd US carrier were added. It seems like it's based used by the FaceTime servers so I hope we see it added to Lion with the next beta.

I thought it said first iPhone in space - not necessarily first smart phone in space.

Consider though that phones do not have cooling fans - and even laptops etc that do have cooling fans need to be built in such a way as to handle the rigors of launch, additional radiation exposure, and micro gravity, etc - factors which can affect the performance of a device which is designed to be operated in the earth's gravity with atmospheric pressure etc - things like convective cooling due to heat rising do not work the same in earth orbit - hot air doesn't go "up" in space.

Also consider that every ounce of weight in cargo and passengers etc requires a proportional amount of thrust which requires a certain amount of fuel - which adds weight which requires thrust to lift etc. Add to that the probability of being in range of a cell tower while in orbit and unless there is a compelling reason to take the device up with you it doesn't go.
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I thought it said first iPhone in space - not necessarily first smart phone in space.

That's what I was getting at. What smartphone(s) have already been in space and why?
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iPhone in SPACE!!! You know those iPhones probably have more processing power than all of the Shuttle's ancient flight computers, from when was it...1979? Something like that?

There are many computers onboard the Shuttle. If you are wondering about the ones that monitor and control systems such as engines, they are low power machines called the GPC, but not 1975. Many of the onboard systems were updated in the early 1990s, so they are much more stylish than 1975 hardware!

Those critical systems are not changed frequently, because they have sufficient computing power for the sensors they monitor and commands they send, and they don't have any imbedded GUI. New systems are extremely expensive to get man-rated; reliability, testing under G loads, the type of radiation in orbit, etc. There are many more systems on board, including powerful laptops used for experiments.

The Russian Soyuz spacecraft has been running the same Argon 16 flight control system since the mid 1970s. It has just a few KB of RAM. They rewrote some flight software in 2000 or so, and some people think this lead reentry problems in the first flight of the Soyuz-TMA.

But, I don't think the iPhones sensors will ever be used for critical measurements. I played with the accelerometers using the App Azarhi Sensors, and the raw acceleration data showed a lot of bleed from one axis to the others. And, the accelerometers can't even give 2 full decimal points of accuracy measured in Gs. Don't know if the iPhone 4 is much better or how good the gyros are.
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