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Apple predicted to ship 1.5M Sandy Bridge MacBook Airs with Lion per quarter

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An anticipated refresh to the MacBook Air lineup, bringing Intel's latest generation Sandy Bridge processors, as well as the launch of Lion could boost Apple's thin-and-light notebook to build orders of 1.5 million per quarter, one Wall Street analyst believes.

If sales of the ultraportable were to go as high as 1.5 million, as Chris Whitmore with Deutsche Bank believes they could, the MacBook Air would represent about 50 percent of Apple's total notebook business. Checks with supply chain sources reportedly indicated that the new notebook will go on sale in July.

Last week, AppleInsider exclusively reported that Apple has placed orders for a total of 380,000 Sandy Bridge-based MacBook Air models this month. Roughly 55 percent, or 209,000, of those are expected to be the 11.6-inch models, while the remainder will be the larger 13.3-inch models.

A MacBook Air refresh, along with the impending release of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, is expected to boost Mac sales even more, as Apple's computers have consistently outgrown the rest of the PC market for years now. Whitmore has forecast sales of 18 million Macs in calendar year 2011, but he said Monday that he now believes his estimate is conservative.

Whitmore also noted that he expects the operating margins for Lion to be slightly higher than with past upgrades, because Lion will be sold exclusively through the Mac App Store and will not carry any retail distribution costs. He sees Lion with an operating margin of around 90 percent, while previous software upgrades were around 85 percent.

With a low $29.99 selling price, significant enhancements and arrival alongside updated MacBook Airs, Lion is expected to have a strong upgrade cycle. New operating system releases are an important event for Apple, as historically they have provided a noteworthy boost in Mac sales.



Following the release of Tiger in April of 2005, Mac sales increased by 34.2 percent year-over-year in the following quarters. Leopard led to an even greater 45.6 percent year-over-year boost after it debuted in October 2007. And the launch of Snow Leopard in August 2009 brought about a 33.1 percent increase in Mac sales.

On average, a new Mac OS release has helped hardware sales achieve growth more than 30 percent greater than the year prior. But in addition to new hardware sales, Whitmore also sees more than 25 million existing Mac users, or about 50 percent of Apple's current installed base, upgrading to Lion in the next two to three quarters.

Those Lion upgrades will be important, because the new operating system is a "key enabler" of the new iCloud services that Apple will offer for free. Whitmore sees iCloud driving a "very high upgrade rate" among Apple customers for both Macs and iOS devices.

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Is that graph missing a lot of HW refreshes or is it only doing major revisions or some other metric I didn't see in my perusing?
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I’m trying to talk myself into waiting until it’s bundled with a new iLife suite (Jan of next year?) but it’s difficult!

I would say the 11” Air (with the extra RAM upgrade, budget permitting) would be the best machine for most computer users on the planet! Many of them would want a big screen and external keyboard added while at home, but they’d have great portability when they wanted it, plus solid-state speed, and a machine with a much longer usable lifetime than your average disposable PC, for around $1000.

I’d really never recommend a white MacBook anymore. Even if someone needs to use their computer as their only DVD player, that’s a cheap add-on to the Air. (And it’s an add-on my 3-year-old Air has never, ever needed—not even for re-installing the OS and software, which can be done wirelessly.) Screen size? Add a cheap external display, maybe a Dell, and you’ve got something much bigger than a white MacBook.
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Im trying to talk myself into waiting until its bundled with a new iLife suite (Jan of next year?) but its difficult!.

With future apps not needing to be bundled for a DVD release and being pushed through the Mac App Store I wouldn't be surprised to see a change in the distribution method with only apps with special event worthy changes being demoed before an app store release, like they have with iOS App Store apps.

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I would say the 11 Air (with the extra RAM upgrade, budget permitting) would be the best machine for most computer users on the planet! Many of them would want a big screen and external keyboard added while at home, but theyd have great portability when they wanted it, plus solid-state speed, and a machine with a much longer usable lifetime than your average disposable PC, for around $1000.

I think they can be pretty great for college students but I would like to see the battery life doubled and storage capacity quadrupled before I can seriously consider that machine.

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Id really never recommend a white MacBook anymore. Even if someone needs to use their computer as their only DVD player, thats a cheap add-on to the Air. (And its an add-on my 3-year-old Air has never, ever needednot even for re-installing the OS and software, which can be done wirelessly.) Screen size? Add a cheap external display, maybe a Dell, and youve got something much bigger than a white MacBook.

I don't think I would recommend the white MB to anyone and for pretty much everyone I know not in a tech-related field I'd either recommend the iPad + iMac or MBA, depending on needs. IOW, unless you are needing performance and storage capacity of a MBP, which isn't what most people need, I also can't see myself recommending the MBP either.

PS: I''ve mentioned this before. My local Apple Store is selling MacBooks very prominently. They take up an entire table when you walk in the door. Does Apple do that when they plan to kill off a product shortly? It seems to me they take up less space and are placed out of the way. This makes me think the white MB is doing fairly well.
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Of course they shoul add a Thunderbolt plug. It is about time that we started seeing some type of Pico projectors also, for a real nice presentation.
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Please more battery life on the 11.6" model. Such a slick little system, but it needs to last a little longer.
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Of course they shoul add a Thunderbolt plug. It is about time that we started seeing some type of Pico projectors also, for a real nice presentation.

It is about time to start seeing some Thunderbolt products!
A MacBook Air combined with a Thunderbolt hub containing eSATA, USB3, FireWire 800, and DisplayPort would make the MBA the ultimate portable.
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I’m trying to talk myself into waiting until it’s bundled with a new iLife suite (Jan of next year?) but it’s difficult!

I would say the 11” Air (with the extra RAM upgrade, budget permitting) would be the best machine for most computer users on the planet! Many of them would want a big screen and external keyboard added while at home, but they’d have great portability when they wanted it, plus solid-state speed, and a machine with a much longer usable lifetime than your average disposable PC, for around $1000.

I’d really never recommend a white MacBook anymore. Even if someone needs to use their computer as their only DVD player, that’s a cheap add-on to the Air. (And it’s an add-on my 3-year-old Air has never, ever needed—not even for re-installing the OS and software, which can be done wirelessly.) Screen size? Add a cheap external display, maybe a Dell, and you’ve got something much bigger than a white MacBook.

Right on, Nagromme. I would add the younger generation don't seem to even covet a large desktop-like screen, keyboard and mouse. Mainly due to good eyesight. My 26 year old daughter declined when I said I would buy her an Apple monitor. She didn't want the cables and didn't want to have to connect it every time when she got home. Also she didn't want a separate iMac to maintain, either. I on the other hand have pretty much always had both a desktop and a laptop.
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Apple should reorganize it's entire laptop line. Dump the white plastic macbook, get rid of it completely. And then Apple should merge the Macbook pro line with the Macbook Air line. Steve Jobs has already stated that Macbook Airs are the future of laptops. Ditch the optical drives in the Macbook Pros and make them thinner, more like the Macbook Airs. Offer 5-6 models, from the smallest Macbook Air size and up to largest Macbook Pro size and give them all the same name, their screen size will be sufficient enough to differentiate between them. I think that's going to happen sooner or later.
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Right on, Nagromme. I would add the younger generation don't seem to even covet a large desktop-like screen, keyboard and mouse. Mainly due to good eyesight. My 26 year old daughter declined when I said I would buy her an Apple monitor. She didn't want the cables and didn't want to have to connect it every time when she got home. Also she didn't want a separate iMac to maintain, either. I on the other hand have pretty much always had both a desktop and a laptop.

Speaking of eye sight, yes thats why I like the ipad layout/text size for my old near sighted eyes. Macbook/laptop text can get pretty tiny. And I do miss the old 4:3 displays for vertical real estate

One more thing... obligatory plug for LIGHTED KEY BOARD. Doubt that it will have it though. \
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It is about time to start seeing some Thunderbolt products!
A MacBook Air combined with a Thunderbolt hub containing eSATA, USB3, FireWire 800, and DisplayPort would make the MBA the ultimate portable.

Yea. I can't wait for one of these hubs to come out. Allows one to completely overcome the port limitations of the MBA.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

Apple should reorganize it's entire laptop line. Dump the white plastic macbook, get rid of it completely. And then Apple should merge the Macbook pro line with the Macbook Air line. Steve Jobs has already stated that Macbook Airs are the future of laptops. Ditch the optical drives in the Macbook Pros and make them thinner, more like the Macbook Airs. Offer 5-6 models, from the smallest Macbook Air size and up to largest Macbook Pro size and give them all the same name, their screen size will be sufficient enough to differentiate between them. I think that's going to happen sooner or later.

That made good sense. Must be time to spark one.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

Apple should reorganize it's entire laptop line. Dump the white plastic macbook, get rid of it completely. And then Apple should merge the Macbook pro line with the Macbook Air line. Steve Jobs has already stated that Macbook Airs are the future of laptops. Ditch the optical drives in the Macbook Pros and make them thinner, more like the Macbook Airs. Offer 5-6 models, from the smallest Macbook Air size and up to largest Macbook Pro size and give them all the same name, their screen size will be sufficient enough to differentiate between them. I think that's going to happen sooner or later.

Common knowledge. Steve already said (at the launch of the 2nd-gen Airs) that the Air is the future of the Macbook Pros.
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I don't buy the premise.

I just don't see a significant correlation between OS release and unit growth in that graphic.

In fact, I think the unit growth has been pretty stable since the iPad halo effect (ca. 2005) and is slowly saturating recently.
There were just two notable exceptions:

early 2006: The Intel transition was in full progress. People were uncertain and waiting for new models.

2009: financial meltdown


Plus the graph is hard to read because its inherently cyclical. A bad quarter echoes forward, leading to better numbers the next year. (And vice versa.)
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For many users the lack of internal storage is what makes the current AIR a no go. Let's face it the machine is great and likely will be much better with Sandy Bridge, but that means nothing if you come up short with respect to internal storage.

I know in my own case Apples current maxed out systems are right on the edge of being acceptable. Denser flash memory isn't the answer either as reliability goes down.


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With future apps not needing to be bundled for a DVD release and being pushed through the Mac App Store I wouldn't be surprised to see a change in the distribution method with only apps with special event worthy changes being demoed before an app store release, like they have with iOS App Store apps.


I think they can be pretty great for college students but I would like to see the battery life doubled and storage capacity quadrupled before I can seriously consider that machine.


I don't think I would recommend the white MB to anyone and for pretty much everyone I know not in a tech-related field I'd either recommend the iPad + iMac or MBA, depending on needs. IOW, unless you are needing performance and storage capacity of a MBP, which isn't what most people need, I also can't see myself recommending the MBP either.

PS: I''ve mentioned this before. My local Apple Store is selling MacBooks very prominently. They take up an entire table when you walk in the door. Does Apple do that when they plan to kill off a product shortly? It seems to me they take up less space and are placed out of the way. This makes me think the white MB is doing fairly well.
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Constant reports of an imminent MacBook Air upgrade to Sandy Bridge processors plus Thunderbolt ports is creating hype that borders on hysteria. Talk about hotly anticipated...

Looks like the 11" MacBook Air is starting to displace the 13" white MacBook as the entry-level Mac.

It isn't yet clear how a high-end Sandy Bridge Core i7 processor in a 13" MBA will perform relative to the January release of the 2.7 Ghz Core i7 in the latest 13" MacBook Pro, but it seems like it will be more than adequate for most users. This could be the new retail sweet spot.Whatever comes, my bet is that the new MacBook Air will debut in July, not June, to coincide with Lion.

Wouldn't it be amazing if Apple surprised everyone by adding a 15" MacBook Air to the line-up? I think it would cause a frenzy among buyers and maybe even queues at Apple stores - and that, for $2,000+ product, would hugely impact Apple's bottom line.

Any new Air release will only be a placeholder for upgraded MacBook Pros - unless 512 Gb SSD hard drives are available and WITHOUT BREAKING THE BANK.
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I'll upgrade my current MBA 11" if the new one has at least 256GB SSD and a remote sensor. I didn't get why Apple left out the remote in the first place, because I used to use it all the time with iTunes and for presentations at work.

Oh and one more thing I'd love to see...a thinner AC adapter to go with the MBA! My MBA goes around with me everywhere in a thin sleeve, but I hardly ever bring along the bulky adapter. So as it turns out I've used up about 90 cycles on my battery in only three months. At this rate I'll have to replace the battery within 6 months.
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For many users the lack of internal storage is what makes the current AIR a no go. Let's face it the machine is great and likely will be much better with Sandy Bridge, but that means nothing if you come up short with respect to internal storage.

I know in my own case Apples current maxed out systems are right on the edge of being acceptable. Denser flash memory isn't the answer either as reliability goes down.

The cloud may help this - especially if more (desktop) features are added in future updates to Lion. But for example, don't keep much music on the harddrive, download it when you want it and delete it again. It may be hard on ISP data, but where I come from there is no cap and I'm often at work (university) with free wifi, and we also have it downtown.
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I'll upgrade my current MBA 11" if the new one has at least 256GB SSD and a remote sensor. I didn't get why Apple left out the remote in the first place, because I used to use it all the time with iTunes and for presentations at work.

Oh and one more thing I'd love to see...a thinner AC adapter to go with the MBA! My MBA goes around with me everywhere in a thin sleeve, but I hardly ever bring along the bulky adapter. So as it turns out I've used up about 90 cycles on my battery in only three months. At this rate I'll have to replace the battery within 6 months.

I thought they got 1000. At 90/3 months it would be 33 months. Is Apple's 1000 cycle battery claim false?
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Please more battery life on the 11.6" model. Such a slick little system, but it needs to last a little longer.

Gotta agree here. Flew out to WWDC last week, but the 11" battery was not able to last the flight. \
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I wonder why you don't think storage is important?

I do, which is why I have removed my ODD and have over 1TB of storage in my notebook, but if take a measure of the average user you'll find most of them aren't using that much.


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At this rate I'll have to replace the battery within 6 months.

At that rate you have 3 full years before your battery will hold 80% of its original charge.
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The MacBook Air 11.6-inch outsells the heavier and larger model. The reason is simple: in this MacBook Air line, many people want mobility first and foremost, ahead of power or battery life. That is why if Apple could make a lighter and smaller MacBook Air, it will outsell all other MacBook Air models. Because for power and battery life you can get a MacBook Pro.
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Apple should reorganize it's entire laptop line. Dump the white plastic macbook, get rid of it completely. And then Apple should merge the Macbook pro line with the Macbook Air line. Steve Jobs has already stated that Macbook Airs are the future of laptops. Ditch the optical drives in the Macbook Pros and make them thinner, more like the Macbook Airs. Offer 5-6 models, from the smallest Macbook Air size and up to largest Macbook Pro size and give them all the same name, their screen size will be sufficient enough to differentiate between them. I think that's going to happen sooner or later.

Would seem logical to consolidate 3 laptop lines into 1 given the shrinking importance of the Mac relative to iOS devices in Apple revenues. There has been rumours of a major revamp next year.

Wonder if they would also look to consolidate their desktop range. iMac Pro? Mac Mini/Pro hybrid?
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Constant reports of an imminent MacBook Air upgrade to Sandy Bridge processors plus Thunderbolt ports is creating hype that borders on hysteria. Talk about hotly anticipated...

There is good reason for that anticipation. If they can pack everything into the box that people here hope for it will be a significant improvement over what is already a very gold machine.
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Looks like the 11" MacBook Air is starting to displace the 13" white MacBook as the entry-level Mac.

I'm not to sure, I actually think Apple is grabbing many new customers with the AIR. These are not people looking at it like an entry level machine.
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It isn't yet clear how a high-end Sandy Bridge Core i7 processor in a 13" MBA will perform relative to the January release of the 2.7 Ghz Core i7 in the latest 13" MacBook Pro, but it seems like it will be more than adequate for most users.

it won't come close most likely, MBP performance isn't the point of the AIR. Remember if they go Intel this will be an ULV processor which means a reduced clock rate. I kinda doubt it will be i7 class.
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This could be the new retail sweet spot.Whatever comes, my bet is that the new MacBook Air will debut in July, not June, to coincide with Lion.

Lion means nothing! Apple will launch in conjunction with back to school.
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Wouldn't it be amazing if Apple surprised everyone by adding a 15" MacBook Air to the line-up?

A dream come true!! Well given a more capable device.
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I think it would cause a frenzy among buyers and maybe even queues at Apple stores - and that, for $2,000+ product, would hugely impact Apple's bottom line.

Why in the hell would you want Apple to charge $2000 for a 15" AIR. There is no rational reason to do so.
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Any new Air release will only be a placeholder for upgraded MacBook Pros - unless 512 Gb SSD hard drives are available and WITHOUT BREAKING THE BANK.

There is a vast difference between the AIRs and the MBPs. I'm not sure why you even bother to compare them. The machines serve vastly different markets just like the iMac, Mini & Pro are targeted at vastly different desktop users.
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Cant wait for July now....and the back to school deal to boot!! Please Apple.... price the 13.3's decently...thx.
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Would seem logical to consolidate 3 laptop lines into 1 given the shrinking importance of the Mac relative to iOS devices in Apple revenues.

If Mac sales were decreasing I would agree. However, only the percentage of Mac sales relative to Apple's overall profit is decreasing; raw Mac sales are increasing. So I do not see the point of consolidation. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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The cloud may help this - especially if more (desktop) features are added in future updates to Lion. But for example, don't keep much music on the harddrive, download it when you want it and delete it again. It may be hard on ISP data, but where I come from there is no cap and I'm often at work (university) with free wifi, and we also have it downtown.


Sounds like you are very fortunate with your situation. However that doesn't mean most of the nation is this blessed. That is only part of the argument, the thing is why settle for network slowness right after moving to SSD?
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Apple has been doing fantastic with the portable line up. Strong sales that have been ramping up for years now. The AIR was a real expansion in the lineup, if anything Apple could use more models.
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Would seem logical to consolidate 3 laptop lines into 1 given the shrinking importance of the Mac relative to iOS devices in Apple revenues. There has been rumours of a major revamp next year.

Wonder if they would also look to consolidate their desktop range. iMac Pro? Mac Mini/Pro hybrid?
post #29 of 38
I waited for Tiger to be released before I bought my last Mac. I am seriously considering getting the 13" MBA once Lion arrives.
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Apple should reorganize it's entire laptop line. Dump the white plastic macbook, get rid of it completely. And then Apple should merge the Macbook pro line with the Macbook Air line. Steve Jobs has already stated that Macbook Airs are the future of laptops. Ditch the optical drives in the Macbook Pros and make them thinner, more like the Macbook Airs. Offer 5-6 models, from the smallest Macbook Air size and up to largest Macbook Pro size and give them all the same name, their screen size will be sufficient enough to differentiate between them. I think that's going to happen sooner or later.

Totally agree. Notebooks now come in 3 different cases. The invested a lot of time in creating the plastic unibody, but I think they'll save a ton if there's just a single model, in 4 different sizes. Make them in 11, 13, 15 & 17". The 2 largest ones with SSD with BTO SSD or HDD. Thunderbolt & SD card for all models. Various SSD sizes, possibly a 512GB option.

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Dave,

We have this strange situation where Steve Jobs has announced that the MacBook Air is the future blueprint for all Apple laptop computers, but where the Air as it stands has neither the processor performance nor storage capacity to meet the needs of power users.

So the question is when does a 13.3" Air become a substitute for the 13.3" Pro?

Some people might say when it gets Sandy Bridge, 8 Gb of RAM, and 512 Gb SSD hard drive (as well as Thunderbolt, back-lit keyboard, less reflective screen, and Facetime HD).

A 15" Air would have more room inside for memory, a faster processor and discrete GPU. It would probably only be an Air in name while in reality being a MacBook Pro minus the DVD drive (hence the $2K price tag - if they charge less, then great!).

A 15' Air may be wishful thinking. But if Apple introduces redesigned 13", 15' and 17" pros without DVD drives, then the Air itself may become redundant.

For these reasons, I see the notebook line-up converging into a single range of four machines based on the same basic design of enclosure.
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I do, which is why I have removed my ODD and have over 1TB of storage in my notebook, but if take a measure of the average user you'll find most of them aren't using that much.

At that rate you have 3 full years before your battery will hold 80% of its original charge.

Do you realize how horrible the battery is at 80% capacity? My battery is only at 93% capacity now, and it only last me on average about 2 hours, and that's if I turn off wifi and dim the screen.
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Do you realize how horrible the battery is at 80% capacity? My battery is only at 93% capacity now, and it only last me on average about 2 hours, and that's if I turn off wifi and dim the screen.

It's 80% at 80%. This is measured using the mAH design capacity to the current mAh capacity. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I'm over 350 full cycles on my MBP and have 94% capacity remaining.
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Dave,

We have this strange situation where Steve Jobs has announced that the MacBook Air is the future blueprint for all Apple laptop computers, but where the Air as it stands has neither the processor performance nor storage capacity to meet the needs of power users.

So the question is when does a 13.3" Air become a substitute for the 13.3" Pro?

Some people might say when it gets Sandy Bridge, 8 Gb of RAM, and 512 Gb SSD hard drive (as well as Thunderbolt, back-lit keyboard, less reflective screen, and Facetime HD).

A 15" Air would have more room inside for memory, a faster processor and discrete GPU. It would probably only be an Air in name while in reality being a MacBook Pro minus the DVD drive (hence the $2K price tag - if they charge less, then great!).

A 15' Air may be wishful thinking. But if Apple introduces redesigned 13", 15' and 17" pros without DVD drives, then the Air itself may become redundant.

For these reasons, I see the notebook line-up converging into a single range of four machines based on the same basic design of enclosure.

You're getting ahead of yourself. Designs like the Air are the future of laptops once the cost of SSD's comes down and optical drives become completely obsolete.

Someone else in this thread said Steve Jobs said that the Air was the future of Macbook Pros. That's wrong. He said the future of Macbooks, and I expect that's the next step. The plastic Macbook will be discontinued and the Macbook Air will be re-branded as the Macbook. The MBP will remain until a slim design can adequately replace it, and it can't do that right now, even with more room in a 15" design (they still wouldn't put a 2.5" HDD in it to make up for capacity deficiencies).

Curent lineup:
Macbook
Macbook Air
Macbook Pro

Future lineup:
Macbook (modeled after MBA)
Macbook Pro

Ultimate lineup:
Macbook (all products modeled after MBA, but Pro moniker may remain for high end units)
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Someone else in this thread said Steve Jobs said that the Air was the future of Macbook Pros. That's wrong. He said the future of Macbooks, and I expect that's the next step.

"The next generation of MacBooks" but that doesn't exclude the MacBook Pro as they are also MacBooks.

I don't think it's outlandish to think Apple will use aspects of the MBA in the MBP yet again. I wouldn't be surprised if the optical drive is removed, a mini-PCIe SSD card for a boot partition, a tapered design, and a milled aluminium top casing. That doesn't mean they will forgo the 2.5" HDD. They can even make it thinner by 3mm by only allowing a 9.5mm drive (or by 5mm by only allowing a 7mm 2.5" HDD which are gaining in popularity).
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"The next generation of MacBooks" but that doesn't exclude the MacBook Pro as they are also MacBooks.

I don't think it's outlandish to think Apple will use aspects of the MBA in the MBP yet again. I wouldn't be surprised if the optical drive is removed, a mini-PCIe SSD card for a boot partition, a tapered design, and a milled aluminium top casing. That doesn't mean they will forgo the 2.5" HDD. They can even make it thinner by 3mm by only allowing a 9.5mm drive (or by 5mm by only allowing a 7mm 2.5" HDD which are gaining in popularity).

You're right, they can and most likely will use design elements from the Air in the next pros, but I wouldn't consider them part of the same lineup until they fit in the same case. One tapered case and one non tapered case still represents the same number of case designs as two tapered ones. The 13" MBP internals won't fit until both the optical drive and HDD are gone, so the lines can't merge until that happens (unless Apple gives up on a 13" Pro and settles for thicker 15" and 17" designs (compared to the 13" Air).

Lion may spell the end of the optical drive, so SSD costs will likely be the determining factor for when the complete transition is made. On the other hand, the Macbook could probably be discontinued now. I believe 2012 was rumored for a major MBP redesign? Maybe SSD costs will have gone down by then. If that happens, I guess this merger could happen rather quickly.
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On the other hand, the Macbook could probably be discontinued now. I believe 2012 was rumored for a major MBP redesign? Maybe SSD costs will have gone down by then. If that happens, I guess this merger could happen rather quickly.

I'm not sold on either a merger of the Mac portables or a discontinuing of the MacBook for anecdotal reasons I've already stated. Remember the Mac mini was deemed EOL for a long, long time yet it has been reborn on several occasions. Then there is the iPod being rebranded as the iPod Classic. Not being fashionable or having the latest HW doesn't necessarily mean Apple will drop it.
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I'm not sold on either a merger of the Mac portables or a discontinuing of the MacBook for anecdotal reasons I've already stated. Remember the Mac mini was deemed EOL for a long, long time yet it has been reborn on several occasions. Then there is the iPod being rebranded as the iPod Classic. Not being fashionable or having the latest HW doesn't necessarily mean Apple will drop it.

You're right, you never know. In a lot of minds, the Macbook wasn't even supposed to get the last case update it did.

I do think that at $999 for a MBA, $999 for a Macbook, and $1199 for a MBP that something has to give though. Could they sell the Macbook for $799 or $899?
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