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Apple is rumored to begin selling unlocked versions of the iPhone 4 in the U.S. starting at $649 on Wednesday, while iOS 5 beta users have discovered that iCloud.com is mirroring some of MobileMe's web services.

Unlocked iPhone 4

Hints that Apple would release a factory unlocked iPhone 4 in the U.S. this week emerged over the weekend, though there was some initial confusion with the source. MacRumors is now reporting that unlocked iPhones have "shipped to Apple Stores this week" and will be priced at $649 and $749 for 16GB and 32GB models, respectively.

Though unlocked iPhone 4s have been available internationally, this would be the first time that Apple sold an unlocked iPhone in the U.S. With an unlocked iPhone 4, users could switch between AT&T and T-Mobile for calling, but 3G data would not work on T-Mobile. The unlocked iPhones are expected to be the GSM model, with the Verizon iPhone 4 remaining unchanged.

Apple has seen unprecedented success with the iPhone 4. In the March quarter, iPhone sales grew 113 percent year over year, reaching an all-time quarterly record of 18.65 million units. According to Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook, iPhone sales were "off the charts in the U.S" with 155 percent year over year growth.

iCloud.com

MacRumors also reported on Monday that a reader had discovered that Apple is mirroring some MobileMe functionality on iCloud.com. By sending a calendar invitation in the pre-release version of iOS 5, a reader received a link to the iCloud.com domain that appeared identical to MobileMe invitations, with the addition of iCloud branding. Links to iCloud.com invitation error messages have also been discovered.



Apple's announcement that it will shutter MobileMe on June 30, 2012 has caused concern among users of the service. One user reportedly received an email reply from Apple CEO Steve Jobs stating that Apple's iWeb hosting services would indeed be shut down next year.

MobileMe got off to a shaky start when it launched in 2008. Jobs admitted during last week's Worldwide Developers Conference keynote that the service was not "Apple's finest hour."

Jobs also made it clear that iCloud is a new product. When it arrives this fall, the free service will replace many of MobileMe's existing services, store App Store, iTunes and iBookstore purchases and offer seamless backups of iOS devices.



Apple will also offer an iTunes Match service for $24.99 that will scan a music library and make available in the cloud any non-iTunes purchased songs that match songs in Apple's music store.
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Why can't a person who's already bought an iPhone 4 unlock it when their contract is done? Or buy an iPhone 5 unlocked.
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Can someone explain to me how they can make and sell the iPod Touch (with a healthy margin) at $229 and an unlocked iPhone will sell for $649? Surely the iPhone doesn't need another ~$400 worth of added parts to support making phone calls!
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Originally Posted by troehl View Post

Can someone explain to me how they can make and sell the iPod Touch (with a healthy margin) at $229 and an unlocked iPhone will sell for $649? Surely the iPhone doesn't need another ~$400 worth of added parts to support making phone calls!

It is not only parts. There are many other factors such as licensing fees that comes into play for the iPhone. Beside, there is more to pricing than parts cost. Economics 101.
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Which carrier discounts the cost of the iPhone off the monthly charges if it is purchased unlocked?If the carrier does not offer such a discount what on earth is the point?
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well the iPod is $299 with 16gb of flash like the ipHOne has. So $350 to go.

The iPHone has a nicer screen than the Ipod touch. IPS vs TN difference.

the iPHone has the cellphone/3g radio. 3g on the iPad is a $130 option.

The IPhone has the nicer camera and a flash for it.

MOre money goes into designing, writing software and testing a cellphone/data phone than an iPod touch I'm sure.

I believe the iPhone also has more gps functionality than the iPOd touch.

I think the body of the iPHone is more expensive than the Touch's.

Add that up and a few things I forgot and then factor in Apple's usual rich margin and that's the $350 difference.

Granted paying $650 now after it's been on the market a year means Apple (most likely) makes a larger margin than a year ago. As with all their hardware the price is most competitive at launch.
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Why can't a person who's already bought an iPhone 4 unlock it when their contract is done? Or buy an iPhone 5 unlocked.

This is where I think the US government and agencies have failed to take care of Americans. Carrier locking should be illegal, or at the very minimum be only for the length of the contract.

If this rumour is true, I think Apple is doing the right thing.

Then again you guys were screwed the moment AT&T got exclusive access to the core GSM spectrum used by most countries in the world.

As such the iPhone 4 GSM-only unlocked is a bit moot since you're still mostly stuck to AT&T.

What will be interesting is the iPhone 5 "world-mode" GSM/CDMA being sold unlocked.
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Which carrier discounts the cost of the iPhone off the monthly charges if it is purchased unlocked?If the carrier does not offer such a discount what on earth is the point?

TMobile is the answer to your first question. Not an iPhone specifically, but you get a discount if you own your phone. Not much, but ....

That's why I'm a bit intrigued. I want one without the data plan because I don't want to pay for it. Yet I would like to carry one device. If I could pop my current TMobile sim card inside it and it works then I might bite.
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Originally Posted by troehl View Post

Can someone explain to me how they can make and sell the iPod Touch (with a healthy margin) at $229 and an unlocked iPhone will sell for $649? Surely the iPhone doesn't need another ~$400 worth of added parts to support making phone calls!

The profit margins on the iPhone were established by payments from carriers to Apple. The outright purchase price is probably a reflection of Apple balancing out the loss of payments to Apple from the carriers if you buy it outright. The outright price also shows you why Apple has the fattest profit margins in the smartphone business.

In some cases carriers do not make direct payments to Apple (particularly if they are no longer the exclusive telco), they purchase iPhones for the "full" dealer price. They then "subsidise" the cost of this phone for customers but make up for it with customers paying much higher monthly "iPhone-specific" plans.

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Which carrier discounts the cost of the iPhone off the monthly charges if it is purchased unlocked?If the carrier does not offer such a discount what on earth is the point?

The point is this... If you want to get an iPhone or any other "hot" phone cheaper you sign up for a contract with the telco and you pay less for your carrier-locked phone.

If you want to be able to switch between carriers, use prepaid, use any SIM overseas, then you buy the iPhone or any other "hot" phone outright and unlocked for full price.
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All I care about is iDisk. My life depends on it. I use it to backup all of my most important documents and keep them in sync between my Macs which are separated by thousands of miles.

I hope iDisk remains even after iCloud.

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I want one without the data plan because I don't want to pay for it. Yet I would like to carry one device. If I could pop my current TMobile sim card inside it and it works then I might bite.

That's exactly what you should be able to do with the unlocked iPhone. Just remember if you ever need a data plan you will never be able to use 3G on an iPhone with TMobile, just EDGE.
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All I care about is iDisk. My life depends on it. I use it to backup all of my most important documents and keep them in sync between my Macs which are separated by thousands of miles.

I hope iDisk remains even after iCloud.

You may have to consider something like Dropbox, which I find is superior anyways.
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Which carrier discounts the cost of the iPhone off the monthly charges if it is purchased unlocked?If the carrier does not offer such a discount what on earth is the point?

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The point is this... If you want to get an iPhone or any other "hot" phone cheaper you sign up for a contract with the telco and you pay less for your carrier-locked phone.

If you want to be able to switch between carriers, use prepaid, use any SIM overseas, then you buy the iPhone or any other "hot" phone outright and unlocked for full price.

Unless one travels overseas, I still don't quite get it. Where else are you going to go in America with an unlocked version of that phone? (And Verizon's CDMA is scarce overseas anyway.)

So - what's the actual difference in price plans if you bring your own phone to Verizon? Has anybody done the net cost math over a two year period between getting a subsidized phone from V, vs. buying unlocked?

(And actually you'd have thot the article would have addressed this.)

As for the GSM version, if the T-Mobile discount is "not much" per month as one poster said (and with T-mob quite likely to be absorbed by ATT anyway in less than two years if the merger goes through), well, so for that "not much" of a discount AND losing 3G, again for a non-international traveler, as already asked, "what on earth IS the point"?

(A healthy savings on Sprint - which seems to be excluded - and their 4G also wouldn't work I'd think - with full 3G is the only scenario I can see that would make sense.)

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well the iPod is $299 with 16gb of flash like the ipHOne has. So $350 to go.

The iPHone has a nicer screen than the Ipod touch. IPS vs TN difference.

the iPHone has the cellphone/3g radio. 3g on the iPad is a $130 option.

The IPhone has the nicer camera and a flash for it.

MOre money goes into designing, writing software and testing a cellphone/data phone than an iPod touch I'm sure.

I believe the iPhone also has more gps functionality than the iPOd touch.

I think the body of the iPHone is more expensive than the Touch's.

Add that up and a few things I forgot and then factor in Apple's usual rich margin and that's the $350 difference.

Granted paying $650 now after it's been on the market a year means Apple (most likely) makes a larger margin than a year ago. As with all their hardware the price is most competitive at launch.

The iPad has an IPS display. It doesn't have the pixel density of the iPhone/iPod Touch.
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Great, so when can I unlock my iPhone with AT&T? End of my contract in Summer 2012? I don't have a need to unlock it at the moment, but it would be nice if I could when I am done on contract. Give (read sell at a lower price) it to a family member elsewhere in either of my motherlands (Peru, Mexico) is an option for me.

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Where else are you going to go in America with an unlocked version of that phone?

There are many small to somewhat medium local providers who offer GSM. Nearly 100% of them outside of ATT and T-Mobile (which I know doesn't use iPhone compatible 3G spectrum) only have EDGE access at best, but they could in theory use it.
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You may have to consider something like Dropbox, which I find is superior anyways.

I hear this a lot, but never a real explanation. Aside from dropbox being much less available space, how exactly is it superior? I have looked at it, but I have been unable to see what makes it better. I would like to know, because while I actually think that in most case the document syncing described for icloud looks better, I may need to have both...
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They're definitely dropping web hosting? Shoot. Now I have twelve months to find a web host who can match their service at an affordable price. I don't anticipate this being a very short or easy search.

Mind you, at least I might be able to get support for PHP.

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You may have to consider something like Dropbox, which I find is superior anyways.

Well, since Apple has extended MobileMe subscriptions through next summer, it stands to reason that perhaps certain functions like Gallery and iDisk will gradually make their way into iCloud after its launch this fall, making the free extension a sort of stopgap measure to buy time for Apple to make the transition and add that functionality.
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An unlocked iPhone 4 in the US is fine, but it's a year old product. I'd like to know if the next iPhone will have an unlocked counterpart in the States or if this is just a way to boost sales on a product coming to the end of its primary lifecycle.


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I hear this a lot, but never a real explanation. Aside from dropbox being much less available space, how exactly is it superior? I have looked at it, but I have been unable to see what makes it better. I would like to know, because while I actually think that in most case the document syncing described for icloud looks better, I may need to have both...

A couple of the major ones are:
  • Delta encoding — This means it will only update the changes to the file.
  • Revision history — This allows you go back to an earlier version and even retrieve a file you've deleted for up to 30 days prior.
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Which carrier discounts the cost of the iPhone off the monthly charges if it is purchased unlocked?

Elsewhere in the world, BYO (bring your own phone), Prepaid, Month-to-month plans are much cheaper than the equivalent “contract + phone” plans. In most cases they are cheaper by approximately the “hidden” cost of the phone. Also US$649 is cheaper than any unlocked iPhone currently available internationally so those prices may prove very popular with travellers.

Carriers want customers locked into a contract because it guarantees their custom for the duration of the contract and absolves their responsibility to provide anything more than the bare minimum of service. What incentive is there to provide value when a free (read: subsidised) phone every two years provides enough OMG! to have the suckers lining up again to sign on the dotted line.

Smaller carriers/resellers/start-ups in the US could easily opt to break rank and offer cheap prepaid plans or at least unlock your phone at the end of your contract. Why can Americans reach a critical mass over something as inconsequential as “Weiner-gate” but are incapable of putting the energy into fixing a broken system? One of the many mysteries of life.
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Am I the only one on these boards who actually uses iWeb? I know it has its limits, but for a non-coder it is invaluable. I started out on PageMill, and when that died I was forced to use Dreamweaver which was way too much--I learned just enough to update my old PageMill site. I hated it. When iWeb came along I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Like PageMill of old, but updated and better. Tight integration to all things Mac was wonderful. I cannot believe they are just going to tell those of us who have all this time and effort invested: tough luck, find some other solution.

I am a dyed in the wool Apple loyalist, but I am very upset if what they are saying is true. I supported Apple through thick and thin. I'd like to see a little compassion for those of us who wouldn't let you die. It can't cost that much to keep iWeb/hosting functionality going. There should be plenty of capacity with the new NC server farm.

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Am I the only one on these boards who actually uses iWeb? I know it has its limits, but for a non-coder it is invaluable. I started out on PageMill, and when that died I was forced to use Dreamweaver which was way too much--I learned just enough to update my old PageMill site. I hated it. When iWeb came along I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Like PageMill of old, but updated and better. Tight integration to all things Mac was wonderful. I cannot believe they are just going to tell those of us who have all this time and effort invested: tough luck, find some other solution.

I am a dyed in the wool Apple loyalist, but I am very upset if what they are saying is true. I supported Apple through thick and thin. I'd like to see a little compassion for those of us who wouldn't let you die. It can't cost that much to keep iWeb/hosting functionality going. There should be plenty of capacity with the new NC server farm.

Say it ain't so, Steve.

I agree... Even though I've been using Dreamweaver mostly, I was hoping there would be iWeb Pro...

Maybe iWeb users will be able to host their iWeb Sites on GoDaddy and other such Hosting Companies? But then it'd be silly, when disk space is so cheap... My guess is that Apple doesn't want to support iWeb site authoring through Support, or One on One Training, and give iWeb away for free, like Garage Band and iPhoto! But then, weren't those Apps, as part of iLife one of Apple's Attractions, strengths?

What Apple might be saying, without actually saying it aloud is this:

Get yourself a Domain Name, if you want, and point it to a Page, not a Personal Profile (5,000 Friends Limit) on Facebook... There won't be Layouts.. It'll all look the same, but it'll work... I hope I am wrong...

Dreamweaver will be there, probably, and eventually it'll be HTML5, but when? And what are the iWeb users supposed to do for now, and till then? Can iWeb sites be Converted-Exported, at least the Text with Links part of it!!!

Ideally, I'd like to see iWeb Pro, as paid app, so that it could go up against Dreamweaver!!! It'd be great to know if Apple saw our posts, cause I feel that they do represent a demand that still exists... But then Apple can verify that demand a lot more accurately than any of us.... So, maybe that demand is too small and not worth it, cause more people are choosing Facebook Pages for greater "independence", or "simplicity"... I am using "" quotations to indicate slight sarcasm, cause Facebook is pretty restrictive...

Anyway, I hope iWeb survives somehow...

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They're definitely dropping web hosting? Shoot. Now I have twelve months to find a web host who can match their service at an affordable price. I don't anticipate this being a very short or easy search.

Mind you, at least I might be able to get support for PHP.

What price do you pay now?

There are plenty of web hosts with $5 a month plans... I personally don't think you should go any cheaper than that.

I've been using Site5 for about 3 years now. They have been great to me.

I currently host quite a few sites with my Reseller account on Site5. I've never had a problem with them. They keep their customers up to date on their blog... and all of their admins are on Twitter and easily reachable as well. Plus they have an active forum full of helpful people.
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Unless one travels overseas, I still don't quite get it. Where else are you going to go in America with an unlocked version of that phone? (And Verizon's CDMA is scarce overseas anyway.)

So - what's the actual difference in price plans if you bring your own phone to Verizon? Has anybody done the net cost math over a two year period between getting a subsidized phone from V, vs. buying unlocked?

(And actually you'd have thot the article would have addressed this.)

As for the GSM version, if the T-Mobile discount is "not much" per month as one poster said (and with T-mob quite likely to be absorbed by ATT anyway in less than two years if the merger goes through), well, so for that "not much" of a discount AND losing 3G, again for a non-international traveler, as already asked, "what on earth IS the point"?

(A healthy savings on Sprint - which seems to be excluded - and their 4G also wouldn't work I'd think - with full 3G is the only scenario I can see that would make sense.)

Yes, one would think the article would explore this more. Like I said, for those in the USA you were screwed the moment AT&T got exclusive access to the core GSM spectrum. Now that said, frequent travelers, prepaid users and those wanting to use the iPhone without a data plan or on smaller carriers may consider it.

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Great, so when can I unlock my iPhone with AT&T? End of my contract in Summer 2012? I don't have a need to unlock it at the moment, but it would be nice if I could when I am done on contract. Give (read sell at a lower price) it to a family member elsewhere in either of my motherlands (Peru, Mexico) is an option for me.

Good question. We'll have to see if existing locked phones will be unlocked by AT&T.

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I hear this a lot, but never a real explanation. Aside from dropbox being much less available space, how exactly is it superior? I have looked at it, but I have been unable to see what makes it better. I would like to know, because while I actually think that in most case the document syncing described for icloud looks better, I may need to have both...

Yes, it would be best to have both. Dropbox is basically a "universal file system". You have a folder, and anything you put (including subfolders) or edit in it is replicated to any device and any computer. Whatever changes you made are pushed up to the cloud and synced across all devices and computers when they are connected to the Internet. It's quite impressive. Remember FolderShare? That was actually quite good as well. It was bought by Microsoft and then as usual nobody knows what happened to it.

iCloud is a must because it is so seamless and works well for iOS contacts, calendar, mail, purchases, iWork, and 3rd party apps. Dropbox is primarily (as I see it) for files and anyone still needing a perfectly synced file system. Evernote is still very handy, for just "dumping" random stuff that you can search through and edit.

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Well, since Apple has extended MobileMe subscriptions through next summer, it stands to reason that perhaps certain functions like Gallery and iDisk will gradually make their way into iCloud after its launch this fall, making the free extension a sort of stopgap measure to buy time for Apple to make the transition and add that functionality.

That is a possibility.

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An unlocked iPhone 4 in the US is fine, but it's a year old product. I'd like to know if the next iPhone will have an unlocked counterpart in the States or if this is just a way to boost sales on a product coming to the end of its primary lifecycle.

That is a scary but astute observation. We'll have to wait and see. It depends a lot on whether there will be only one world-mode iPhone 5.
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Am I the only one on these boards who actually uses iWeb? I know it has its limits, but for a non-coder it is invaluable. I started out on PageMill, and when that died I was forced to use Dreamweaver which was way too much--I learned just enough to update my old PageMill site. I hated it. When iWeb came along I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Like PageMill of old, but updated and better. Tight integration to all things Mac was wonderful. I cannot believe they are just going to tell those of us who have all this time and effort invested: tough luck, find some other solution.

I am a dyed in the wool Apple loyalist, but I am very upset if what they are saying is true. I supported Apple through thick and thin. I'd like to see a little compassion for those of us who wouldn't let you die. It can't cost that much to keep iWeb/hosting functionality going. There should be plenty of capacity with the new NC server farm.

Say it ain't so, Steve.

iWeb is dead, and has been for a while. They hardly updated it in '09 and didn't touch it for '11. The writing has been on the wall for ages. Also, it's complete shit. There are many, many alternatives that are just as intuitive, but much more robust and also comply with modern web standards. You speak as if it's the only 'non-coder' option out there, which is absurd. iWeb is based on web technology in 2005 and it hasn't changed since then. It's an obsolete product, and although it may still have some loyal users, they're definitely not enough to justify the continued existence and maintenance of the product in Apple's eyes. Due to the exploding popularity of social networking sites and web-based authoring, iWeb doesn't have much place anymore for most people. The web has changed. Again, there's a ton of alternatives, and you have a ton of time to research them. This really isn't worth bitching about. If I was in Apple's shoes I would have discontinued it earlier. It's clear that it has no place in their online strategy.
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I hear this a lot, but never a real explanation. Aside from dropbox being much less available space, how exactly is it superior? I have looked at it, but I have been unable to see what makes it better. I would like to know, because while I actually think that in most case the document syncing described for icloud looks better, I may need to have both...

What is different from iCloud is:
- You can put any files in it. Doesn't matter. It's just a folder.
- Public link, so you can send a link to someone to download your files
- Works with Windows

A bit different than iCloud. If you only want to sync your iWork documents between Apple devices then I guess iCloud is enough.
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I hear this a lot, but never a real explanation. Aside from dropbox being much less available space, how exactly is it superior? I have looked at it, but I have been unable to see what makes it better. I would like to know, because while I actually think that in most case the document syncing described for icloud looks better, I may need to have both...

I've used .Mac and now MobileMe from the start and have used iDisk quite a bit. In the last year I've had to begin using Dropbox for a project and it's better than iDisk because:

a) It integrates into the Finder even better than iDisk in my view
b) It works cross platform
c) It's faster than iDisk
d) Of course, it's free too

The only thing that is better about iDisk is that you can share an individual file with anyone by sending a link to it. I'm not aware that Dropbox can do that.
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Am I the only one on these boards who actually uses iWeb? I know it has its limits, but for a non-coder it is invaluable. I started out on PageMill, and when that died I was forced to use Dreamweaver which was way too much--I learned just enough to update my old PageMill site. I hated it. When iWeb came along I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Like PageMill of old, but updated and better. Tight integration to all things Mac was wonderful. I cannot believe they are just going to tell those of us who have all this time and effort invested: tough luck, find some other solution.

I started off with iWeb and then moved over to RapidWeaver. It lacks some of the niceties of iWeb but for the most part it's way more powerful and effective and a reasonable price too. I'm still on V4 though.

http://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/overview

No connection other than as a satisfied user.

There are other alternatives too as another poster has said. I originally used Freeway from SoftPress Systems before iWeb or RapidWeaver but it was way too powerful for my needs. I had switched to RW already by the time their entry level application was released but definitely worth a look - http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/freew...17976220?mt=12

Strangely, both of these are UK applications and RW comes from the city where I live. Novel.
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Am I the only one on these boards who actually uses iWeb? I know it has its limits, but for a non-coder it is invaluable. I started out on PageMill, and when that died I was forced to use Dreamweaver which was way too much--I learned just enough to update my old PageMill site. I hated it. When iWeb came along I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Like PageMill of old, but updated and better. Tight integration to all things Mac was wonderful. I cannot believe they are just going to tell those of us who have all this time and effort invested: tough luck, find some other solution.

Last I tried, I was able to use iWeb-generated content on my own web host. It's slightly more difficult on the upload, but it does work.
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What is different from iCloud is:
- You can put any files in it. Doesn't matter. It's just a folder.
- Public link, so you can send a link to someone to download your files
- Works with Windows

A bit different than iCloud. If you only want to sync your iWork documents between Apple devices then I guess iCloud is enough.

He was talking about the current offering, iDisk--not iCloud. You can do the first 2 but I have no idea about windows. Nor do I care.

iWeb and iDisk, contrary to the geek kings are both great products. They are seamlessly integrated into the apple ecosystem and provide more than enough features for many of us. Just the way iWeb integrates with iPhoto alone convinced me to convert my website from WordPress. This will horrify some but it works for me.

As for iDisk, it's maligned but I don't understand why. 20 gigs of space, stores my iWeb website under my domain name, lots of space for backing up AND easily sharing files, and I can reallocate space for how much I need for email storage. Oh...and it's lightning fast uploads as well. But the geeks have deemed it uncool so I must now go to dropbox which I don't need or want and that means one more account to keep track of. No thanks. I'll take iDisk every time. So Steevo, please consider keeping iDisk and beefing up/automating backing files to the cloud. Files...you know...those are things we old faithfuls who still buy macs and still do real work continue to rely on.

And iWeb lovers, you don't have to panic. 1 year free MobileMe. iWeb will continue to work after that so worst case scenario, you need to rent web space (it's cheap) and FTP there instead of MobileMe. Should work for years to come and the way the web is changing, consider whether you need a website at all after that. I am thinking of holding on for a year and then just using a FB page or something similar once MobileMe is dead. There is also Tumblr and other easy to use canned solutions. I'm not bothering with coding or website building programs any more. I've updated my last CSS file and not a moment too soon!

I think iWeb will bite the dust because it does not fit into apple's future and I understand that. I'm not sure about iDisk yet. Apple can sell additional storage for iCloud accounts. It's no skin off their nose and will produce revenue. They can incorporate seamless (time machine for the cloud) back up in due time. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that account.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

An unlocked iPhone 4 in the US is fine, but it's a year old product. I'd like to know if the next iPhone will have an unlocked counterpart in the States or if this is just a way to boost sales on a product coming to the end of its primary lifecycle.

I don't think unlocked iPhones in the US will boost sales that much. I think Apple will continue to sell unlocked iPhones in the US. It is no coincident that this is happening exactly 4 years from the first iPhone release. No more AT&T exclusivity + Verizon opens the door for more carrier. Sprint and T-Mobile (before AT&T merger) are next for sure.
post #32 of 40
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Originally Posted by 2 cents View Post

He was talking about the current offering, iDisk--not iCloud. You can do the first 2 but I have no idea about windows. Nor do I care.

No one knows iDisk will be around though. If it is and integrated into iCloud then Dropbox is unnecessary, but if it's not he will have to decide between Dropbox and iCould after all. Yes, compared to iDisk, Dropbox is just faster and works well with Windows.
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Am I the only one on these boards who actually uses iWeb? I know it has its limits, but for a non-coder it is invaluable. I started out on PageMill, and when that died I was forced to use Dreamweaver which was way too much--I learned just enough to update my old PageMill site. I hated it. When iWeb came along I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Like PageMill of old, but updated and better. Tight integration to all things Mac was wonderful. I cannot believe they are just going to tell those of us who have all this time and effort invested: tough luck, find some other solution.

I am a dyed in the wool Apple loyalist, but I am very upset if what they are saying is true. I supported Apple through thick and thin. I'd like to see a little compassion for those of us who wouldn't let you die. It can't cost that much to keep iWeb/hosting functionality going. There should be plenty of capacity with the new NC server farm.

Say it ain't so, Steve.

Nope I use iWeb as well. I was hoping for some serious updates, but I guess, I shall have to find another way to host.
post #34 of 40
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Originally Posted by troehl View Post

Can someone explain to me how they can make and sell the iPod Touch (with a healthy margin) at $229 and an unlocked iPhone will sell for $649? Surely the iPhone doesn't need another ~$400 worth of added parts to support making phone calls!

Simply because the market for cellphone providers is one with limited competition which means monthly rates are much higher than they would be in a highly competitive market. These high rates allow the phone manufacturers (at the high end) to charge obscenely high prices for their handsets to the carriers.
And since a lot of phones (in the US the vast majority of phones, including almost all smartphones) are sold with a carrier subsidy, few people realise that high-end phones are sold with huge margins. It is essentially the carrier subsidy which allows for the hiding of these high hardware margins. 99% of the US are only now waking up to this, though Apple was selling unlocked iPhones alongside iPod touches in a number of countries already for a while.

Yes, the cell radio costs extra (as does the slightly better screen and the metal chassis) and some patent deals (HTC has been estimated to pay $10 per handset in licensing fees to MS) but one reason Apple has been making colossal profits in the last couple of years is the success of the iPhone. And I have thinking for a while that once handset hardware stops improving rapidly prices will come down noticeably, and so will Apple's profits.
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Originally Posted by Dunks View Post

Why can Americans reach a critical mass over something as inconsequential as Weiner-gate but are incapable of putting the energy into fixing a broken system? One of the many mysteries of life.

Because infidelity and any sort of 'sexual' activity outside a couple's bedroom is more serious sin in the US than screwing somebody in a commercial transaction (by abusing a position of power).
post #36 of 40
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Which carrier discounts the cost of the iPhone off the monthly charges if it is purchased unlocked?If the carrier does not offer such a discount what on earth is the point?

Most carriers in markets where phones can run on multiple carriers do so. In Germany you can get a 1 GB/month data-only contract for 10/month (add any voice plan of your choice to that or keep voice as prepaid). Most often, the carrier with the smallest network is offering these deals or mobile virtual network providers (MVNP), including those operated as a secondary brand by the main providers.

In the US only T-Mobile offers discounts when not purchasing a handset to my knowledge, as do MVNPs like Virgin.
http://www.9to5mac.com/51533/what-do...one-look-like/
post #37 of 40
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Am I the only one on these boards who actually uses iWeb? I know it has its limits, but for a non-coder it is invaluable. I started out on PageMill, and when that died I was forced to use Dreamweaver which was way too much--I learned just enough to update my old PageMill site. I hated it. When iWeb came along I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Like PageMill of old, but updated and better. Tight integration to all things Mac was wonderful. I cannot believe they are just going to tell those of us who have all this time and effort invested: tough luck, find some other solution.

I am a dyed in the wool Apple loyalist, but I am very upset if what they are saying is true. I supported Apple through thick and thin. I'd like to see a little compassion for those of us who wouldn't let you die. It can't cost that much to keep iWeb/hosting functionality going. There should be plenty of capacity with the new NC server farm.
Say it ain't so, Steve.

I don't use the iWeb program, but I do use MM web hosting. The big problem with "finding another host" is that lots of sites point into mine using MM-graded URLs which will break when I move to another host. Alas, these links are out of my control so I can't fix them.
post #38 of 40
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Originally Posted by 2 cents View Post

I think iWeb will bite the dust because it does not fit into apple's future and I understand that.

I agree with your comment that iWeb will, and probably already has "bit the dust".

I am curious thought, why you feel that iWeb, or a similar product, does not fit into Apple's future??

For someone who needs to knock out a couple of quick & dirty web pages, iWeb does a great job. For (semi)professional web developers, there are any number of tools to advance to.
post #39 of 40
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Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post

All I care about is iDisk. My life depends on it. I use it to backup all of my most important documents and keep them in sync between my Macs which are separated by thousands of miles.

I hope iDisk remains even after iCloud.

I do the same thing (although my macs are not separated by as much distance) and use the 'share' function to send out certain documents on a daily basis. My documents include all manner of origin: photos, pdfs, Word docs, Excel docs....not just Apple app generated documents.
post #40 of 40
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Which carrier discounts the cost of the iPhone off the monthly charges if it is purchased unlocked?If the carrier does not offer such a discount what on earth is the point?

Most do. Just not in the US.

Often a Separate Phone + Monthly service only contract = 2 year contract + (phone - X%).

In addition, due to competition, the monthly contracts often come down in price so frequently that if you update your monthly contract frequently it will be cheaper than the 24mo contract in the long run. So not only are you saving in the phone price by paying up front, you also save on your contract over the 24 month period.

This works when there is competition in the mobile provider market. Which is one of the reasons you don't see it as much the US, especially when the TMO merger goes through.

Regs, Jarkko
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