Originally Posted by solipsism
Why are you still on this? You want to know about suffering, consider a dual-layer Blu-ray disc in your Mac portable on a plane trying to get through a movie. Not only will you have noise and vibration from the drive on your setback tray you'll also get a very poor battery life. Hopefully you can watch the whole movie before your system dies or you're lucky enough to be on a flight/seating class with plugs.
But you don't mean Macs notebooks, you mean Mac desktops? As Schiller showed not two weeks ago 3/4 Macs sold are Mac notebooks. Then factor in the number that are Mac Minis, their cheapest Mac. Now consider that the drives for all those machines didn't exist in the market 2 years ago and a 9.5mm ultra-slim slot-loading Blu-ray drive is still going for around $500 from other vendors last time I checked.
So tell me why Blu-ray in a Mac notebook at a $500+ price or Blu-ray in one of the lesser selling Macs Apple sells is so damn important?! Blu-ray is great for a HOME THEATER. I bet everyone of those guys on stage last week at WWDC, including Jobs, have Blu-ray players in their homes but they have them on their big ass HDTVs, not pointless in their Macs computers, right where they belong.
What sort of fool would bring optical disc to watch a movie on a plane ride?
On the other hand, if you're at home and using your laptop as a desktop replacement, clearly watching a Blu-ray would be viable. More importantly, it's rather bizarre logic to suggest that a company turn its back on a group of consumers who are being offered a product. By that I mean, either you do desktops right or you don't do them at all. It is absurd to argue that only one's top-selling product should be given engineering consideration and that any technology that is not best suited to your top-selling form factor should be ignored.
Look, there is no question that the vast majority of us will buy blu-rays with the intention of using them with a home-theatre set-up. This is what one would expect. Yet, once you have purchased said blu-ray, is it some outrageous crime to want to be able to use that blu-ray in a device attached to a high-dev monitor capable of properly displaying the data on the disc?
I get the impression that some are offended by those who want to use their equipment in any manner differently from what they intend. You don't want to play back blu-rays on a Mac. Great. Don't. Others would like to have that capability under certain circumstances and with equipment that you evidently have no interest in, namely a desktop system.
It is not up to you, me, or even Mr. Jobs to dictate to others how they will employ technology. It is the place of a company like Apple to determine what its customers, all of its customers, not just you alone, would like to have and accommodate as many as the company reasonably can. No one can force Apple to do so but to be truly successful. Apple needs to provide products that fit into the lifestyle of the most people possible.
Some want nothing to do with blu-rays but millions of consumers are turning to the technology and naturally being a high-quality standard, it's a fit within an Apple environment. I don't blame Apple for not embracing this technology to this point. On the other hand, when the time is right, and I believe that time is coming, it is natural that Apple would incorporate blu-ray playback into its equipment.
To argue against blu-ray because you apparently only use Macs when travelling by plane is rather a weak argument. Macs come in many forms and are employed in assorted environments by a wide variety of folks with differing needs.
Naturallly no one would be OK with the price of a Mac going up by $500 to accommodate blu-ray. Initially, no doubt, blu-ray would be optional and by the time it became standard the price drop would be dramatic. There was a time when DVD cost insane amounts. I remember paying in excess of $700 for my first DVD burner and that wasn't even at the very beginning of when that technology was brought to market. Now for that price I get a computer to go with the burner and with a form factor about the same size as that burner.
It's not a case of my making any predictions about the timing of blu-ray coming to the Mac. What I am saying is that those who think that blu-ray will never come to the Mac are being extraordinarily narrow-minded. I get it. Sony is evil incarnate. DRM bothers a generation of consumers offended by having to pay for any entertainment (Granted DRM as implemented with blu-ray is a pain in the derriere but that's another matter).
My view on this is simply that blu-ray discs are being bought by millions of people and some of those are going to own Macs. At some point the number of BDs out in the wild will reach critical mass and Apple will respond accordingly. To expect otherwise is narrow-minded, short-sighted, naive, take your pick. Probably the upcoming Mini and Mac Pro updates will not incorporate blu-ray support. That doesn't mean, however, that blu-ray will never be a part of the Mac landscape.