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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Sure. $299.99.

How about upgrade pricing for those of us who own FC Express?
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Originally Posted by vinney57 View Post

I think most people will be very receptive to this update. The shitstorm that is about to erupt on the cinematography blogs will be a sight to behold however. They really don't like change those geezers.

FCS already has almost 50% of all the pro editing market. This will just mean that it will go over 50% this year, or early next. The upgrade is so vast in scope. The only thing I'm wondering about is how the color correction tools compare to Color in my older version. I'll find out later today, after I get this and have some time to play with it.
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I would assume that it does based on the statements that FCP X won't open old FCP files, but was just curious if both the old and new program operated as separate "stand alone" programs.

Thanks.
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I have qualms about its value for those that know they need it. My position on this is that Apple and 3rd party devs could benefit financially from allowing App Store trial versions.

For instance, I bet a lot of people just don't know how great TomTom for iPhone really is because they aren't willing to fork over the $50+ to try it. Yet if they were given a grab period I bet a good portion of those buyers would keep the app. Since your purchases are recorded on their servers Apple would know if you attempt to "try" it again for free with that user account. I think it's a win-win for Apple, devs and consumers.

Sol, this is a very well known, and very popular pro grade program. It isn't for playing around with. There are numerous books on all the older versions, and will soon be for this. There are already a couple out. In order to learn what this program can do, you really need to go to a seminar at Apple, or a third party, buy at least one book, and preferably, join the FCP user group.

Don't compare this to the Tom Tom app in the app store. Heavy duty professional programs aren't "tried out" before buying. You find out what program you are expected to need, and you go and learn how to use it. Then you do. This is awfully cheap for a program at this level, much cheaper than any other program that's in any way comparable. Most video editing Pro's wouldn't even think before laying down the cash for this sight unseen.
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Any upgrade pricing?

From what? FCS had cost $999, as Apple had lowered the price several times over the years. The upgrade from one version to the next had cost even more than this early on, and then dropped to $300. That makes this price an upgrade price, and all the later versions, if Apple keeps this pricing, the same price as an upgrade.if they later decide to integrate Motion and Compressor, then it will be an even better bargain.but this price is already a stunning drop.
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Originally Posted by WeatherguyNH View Post

How about upgrade pricing for those of us who own FC Express?

Just like the auto industry does.

You could sell your FX Express. Used is going for $120. If you get anyone to buy it, I have a bridge for sale.
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$399 for FP, Motion and Compressor is a super price! I don't know why so many complainers! I can see more and more kids creating some neat stuff! good equipment is less expensive to get, hardware is getting more powerful at reasonable prices,and software like this is coming down in prices...

I have a studio, my associates and I give a huge standing ovation to apple for another great decision!!

:-)
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Thanks. As I've been reading on other sites, this is not an upgrade anyway. It's a totally separate program. Supposedly, project files from earlier versions cannot be opened with FCP X. It's early, but initial indications are that there is no RS422 support or 'log and capture'. According to the MacWorld site, this version is "not for Pros".

That's incorrect. Where did you read that in Macworld. I didn't see it. But several older standards have been going by the wayside recently. One of those is RS422. I don't know about log and capture yet.
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Any upgrade pricing?

$299US.

Which oddly enough is roughly what a previous FCP update would have been.

Or $99 more than the old version of FCE.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Playing around....

Looks intuitive -- FCP with an iMovie-style UI -- haven't used help or docs, yet!

Real plus: FCPX can now view and selectively import AVCHD Archives (Copy of the AVCHD card) ala iMovie -- instead of expanding/importing first. This one thing allows you to store an 8 GB AVCHD card on HDD as 8 GB -- as opposed to expanding it to about 57 GB (saves time and HDD storage)

One no-like: When you import Events (clips) as above, you can't use a "/" in the title -- just like in iMovie... Hey guys, Apple resolved the "/" conflict in filenames in OS X 10.1.

Out of curiosity, what are the specs of the machine you are running it on?
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Hopefully FCP express will become an option.

Nope. As per the last public preview exposition of FCPX, there will be no Express version.

iMovie for amateurs, FCPX for serious work.

Heck, FCE 4 was $200 (and you can get it from Amazon now for $180). It's gone from the Apple Store already.
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Or worse, they buy Tom Tom and find out for fifty bucks it doesn't work nearly as well as cheaper competitors like Navagon. The Dark Vader and Homer Simpson voices are cool though.

I use Motion X Drive on my iPad2. Fantastic app, and really cheap too.
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Ok, so we know what the minimum system requirement is for running FCP-X, but what about a recommended setting? The only "recommended" spec they mention is 4GB of RAM. Besides that, there's nothing. I take this to mean that the sky is the limit when it comes hardware configurations and the software will just use whatever is available. What I'm trying to decide is whether to get a top-of-the-line iMac (will 4 cores and 16GB of RAM give good performance?) or do I wait until after Lion and new Mac Pros are released. Decisions, decisions.

As it uses Open CL and Grand Central, it will be able to use whatever you've got. The more the better. A really fast storage subsystem will be helpful for projects with HD.
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What I'm wondering about is what's happening with their $299 FCE? There is no place for it in the pricing schedule now, and I haven't read if they're continuing it at a lower price, or just letting it go.

It's gone. The recent public demo mentioned that it won't exist; iMovie at the bottom, FCPX for the high end.
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how about upgrade pricing for those of us who own fc express?

$299.
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Originally Posted by WeatherguyNH View Post

How about upgrade pricing for those of us who own FC Express?

I don't think that's an upgrade path. I don't even know if they will keep FCE in the product line, or if they do, at what price. They may have more information on that in the coming days.
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As it uses Open CL and Grand Central, it will be able to use whatever you've got. The more the better.

Thanks for the reply, that's what I figured.

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A really fast storage subsystem will be helpful for projects with HD.

A Drobo with Thunderbolt would be nice.
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It's gone. The recent public demo mentioned that it won't exist; iMovie at the bottom, FCPX for the high end.

Yeah? Too bad. They should have kept it at $79, the same price as Aperture in the App Store is now. There would have been a market for it.
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I don't think that's an upgrade path. I don't even know if they will keep FCE in the product line, or if they do, at what price. They may have more information on that in the coming days.

Just checked the Apple online store.

It's gone. Mentions of it are being expunged, too.
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I am disappointed Apple still has no provisions for trial periods in apps even though their FairPlay DRM already has the ability to kill content (e.g., iTunes movie rentals) after a set time. This isn't a big deal on a 99¢ or $4.99 app, but for $299 I would like to test it out first.

How is this any different than their $999 software with a 'no returns on open software' policy.

It's not. So you do what you did then. You go hang out at the Apple Store for a hour or so and try out the software.

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post #61 of 206
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

That's incorrect. Where did you read that in Macworld. I didn't see it. But several older standards have been going by the wayside recently. One of those is RS422. I don't know about log and capture yet.

Which of my statements is incorrect? I assume you mean the statement about the program not being "pro". You are correct, Gary Adcock did not say that in his piece found on MacWorld.com

http://www.macworld.com/article/1606...1/06/fcpx.html

He said it later in this forum

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/2522

Sorry about the mixup.
post #62 of 206
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

Thanks for the reply, that's what I figured.



A Drobo with Thunderbolt would be nice.

Yup! But the Drobo isn't the fastest. From what I've seen, we should soon see several storage systems coming out using Thunderbolt. Bearfeats recently did a story on a multiple SSD system doing over 2000 MBS.

http://www.barefeats.com/ssd6g05.html

A bit excessive for most people, but for pro editing, not so much. I remember the days of being frustrated by the HDD raids we needed, and the pricing. At one time, Fuji came out with the first 9GB 5.25" scsi drives. Right at the computer show, I ordered four of them directly from Fuji. They cost $3,000 apiece, but I didn't blink, because it was cheap at the price.

Drive pricing will never be at those levels again, but expectations have changed. Today, that drive would be, at today's dollar, about $6,000 each. You can get a terabyte SSD for $1,500. That's really cheap comparatively. If you're a pro, and need the speed and capacity, it's nothing.
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Which of my statements is incorrect? I assume you mean the statement about the program not being "pro". You are correct, Gary Adcock did not say that in his piece found on MacWorld.com

http://www.macworld.com/article/1606...1/06/fcpx.html

He said it later in this forum

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/2522

Sorry about the mixup.

We have to understand that this is Ver 1 of a completely new application. Apple has stated that features will be added quickly.

I don't know if you remember FCP when it first came out. There were the same complaints about the lack of specific needed pro features. Apple barraged us with updates for the first 6 months, and by the time it was up to 1.5, we had pretty much all we needed to really get to work. Then 2.0 came out six months or so after that, adding major features again.

It looks like we can expect the same.

In fact, from the thread you posted, we get this, backing up what I'm saying.

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/2529
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I've never purchased anything from the App Store before on a Mac, so this may be a "stupid" question but currently when I used to purchase FCP I would be able to install it on two computers and both would work. Is there such limitations with FCP X now that it is through the App Store? Will I need to purchase it multiple times to use it on more than one computer or will it be similar to how the iPhone works that it recognizes I purchased it once already and will re-download and any device that I long into with my apple id?

Thanks
post #65 of 206
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If you don't know that you need or want FCP, a trial period won't help. This isn't meant for an amateur to toodle around with, even at its really low price.

What I'm wondering about is what's happening with their $299 FCE? There is no place for it in the pricing schedule now, and I haven't read if they're continuing it at a lower price, or just letting it go.

I didn't think my comment would only get regulated to just being about FCP, and not what I see as an inherent shortcoming of the App Store model. :sigh:
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FCS already has almost 50% of all the pro editing market. This will just mean that it will go over 50% this year, or early next. The upgrade is so vast in scope. The only thing I'm wondering about is how the color correction tools compare to Color in my older version. I'll find out later today, after I get this and have some time to play with it.

Yeah!

I think network news and sports, as well as short video and commercial editors will eat this up. Don't know about "pro" film editors tho -- read a lot of comments that suggested FCPX was beneath them.

I have some rather expensive plugins for FCP -- I suspect that these will not be compatible with FCPX... I don't even know if FCPX allows plugins.

Also, I believe it is true that you can run FCPX, concurrently, on several machines! That will be a great boon -- especially for my granddaughter who's pretty comfortable with iMovie.

i am under the impression, after 20 minutes playtime with FCPX, that someone comfortable with iMovie could hit the deck running with FCPX -- just using it as an iMovie with a lot of extra stuff.
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Or worse, they buy Tom Tom and find out for fifty bucks it doesn't work nearly as well as cheaper competitors like Navagon. The Dark Vader and Homer Simpson voices are cool though.

Not at $5.99 for a new "voice".
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Since FCPX is on the Mac App Store, are all the files contained in a single icon? Or will it install things in various locations on your hard drive, something Apple tells other app developers not to do?
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All professionals will get this without a second thought (I'd think).

Ehhhhh, no. It's missing too many features that pros need. No deck control is the biggest shortcoming, although both AJA and Black Magic have alternative ways of getting around this. Apparently Apple realizes they need to get some of these features released and have told various editors who were given advance copies that improvements will come quickly. We can only hope.

As a hedge I just ought two copies of FCP 7 upgrade for later Ebay sale at a huge markup. Or I just bought a couple of expensive bookends.
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What I'm wondering about is what's happening with their $299 FCE? There is no place for it in the pricing schedule now, and I haven't read if they're continuing it at a lower price, or just letting it go.

All URLs that led to FCE now resolve to FCP-X.
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Both impressed and disappointed if CP1's info is correct, especially the lack of support for legacy projects. We often reference past projects for footage and edits for use in current projects. It would inconvenient at best to have to keep both copies of FCP around just to open old projects. Even then one couldn't bring in old edits that just need a GFX update for example.

Thanks for the cites BTW Cp1. Despite what prosumers believe Rs422 isn't going to vanish overnight in the professional realm. There are still allot of HDCAM decks (for example) in use; When you spend $50k on a deck and another $50k on the cameras etc etc you're not going to flip them all that soon.

Does anyone know what will happen to Color? Are all of Colors features integrated into FCP now? Doesn't sound like it. Not that I like to upgrade every time a new version comes out, but these issues will slow adoption amongst pro's for sure.

I've been looking into Avid MC 5.5 and I think we might just pick up a copy or two especially since we have to start projects over anyway. MC is allot more expensive though and definitely not for prosumers. I have to see what auto duck is up to these days for converting the projects from Avid to FCP, but at least there's a known avenue for getting old projects into a new workflow.

The Avid demo is full functioning BTW for 30 days. I was thoroughly impressed with the update and it was nice (like a Bentley is "nice" compared to the monstrous A8 ) to be in the Avid drivers seat again. MC is definitely for pro's . Phrase find for example is an incredible feature and its mixed and 'RAW" media support is unmatched in FCP IMO.
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Since FCPX is on the Mac App Store, are all the files contained in a single icon? Or will it install things in various locations on your hard drive, something Apple tells other app developers not to do?

It appears to be a self-contained -- It saves its files in ~/Movies/Final Cut Events

I moved the app to another computer and it appear to regenerate any missing? support files -- then runs fine with no conflict with FCPX running on another Mac on the same network.
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Despite what prosumers believe Rs422 isn't going to vanish overnight in the professional realm. There are still allot of HDCAM decks (for example) in use; When you spend $50k on a deck

Well for an HDCAM SR deck it is over $100k. I have a machine room full of decks and we use them every single day. Clients still want tapes and they will for a long time. Until Internet 2 comes out so we can upload huge HD files to the networks and distribution houses, tape is still king.
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All URLs that led to FCE now resolve to FCP-X.

This makes me wonder if Final Cut Pro X will replace FCE and maybe we'll see another version of Final cut for pro's. Maybe Apple only cares about consumers and prosumers now though. The pricing seems to suggest as much.
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This makes me wonder if Final Cut Pro X will replace FCE and maybe we'll see another version of Final cut for pro's. Maybe Apple only cares about consumers and prosumers now though. The pricing seems to suggest as much.

FCE is dead. Official.
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FCE is dead. Official.

So's Server.

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Well for an HDCAM SR deck it is over $100k. I have a machine room full of decks and we use them every single day. Clients still want tapes and they will for a long time. Until Internet 2 comes out so we can upload huge HD files to the networks and distribution houses, tape is still king.

Exactly! I'm sure clients would love to hear how an uncompressed file transfer repeatedly failed or took two weeks because you had to upload it to a web server. I guess one could just start shipping hard disks.

PS sorry about the misquoted pricing. If you have multiple decks you surely won't be upgrading any time soon.

To put it into perspective for others we have 2 deck for 4-6 editors/ 4-6 night crew assistants, (depending on how busy we are) so our deck stays busy too. They're too damned expensive especially when the networks won't comp you (even on a percentage) of the hardware. Profit margins can be surprisingly slim for some cable networks especially when it comes to post.
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I use Motion X Drive on my iPad2. Fantastic app, and really cheap too.

I have both the TomTom and Motion X Drive HD.

The TomTom cost me $69 and it is on my iPhone, my son's iPhone and my wife's iPhone and iPad. When I get my iPad, it will be on there as well. And at no extra costs even if we were all using the app at the same time. In addition, there is no data usage if I use it across the border.

At $3 a month or $25 a year, the Motion X Drive HD is a pretty cheap price, particularly if you have an unlimited data plan. Great looking app otherwise.
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It appears to be a self-contained -- It saves its files in ~/Movies/Final Cut Events

I moved the app to another computer and it appear to regenerate any missing? support files -- then runs fine with no conflict with FCPX running on another Mac on the same network.

So it does install other support files outside of its own app location? Isn't this forbidden in the app store developer guidelines? Whether those external support files are installed by running an installer or installed automatically when the app is first run, it should not make a difference.
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$399 for FP, Motion and Compressor is a super price! I don't know why so many complainers! I can see more and more kids creating some neat stuff! good equipment is less expensive to get, hardware is getting more powerful at reasonable prices,and software like this is coming down in prices...

I have a studio, my associates and I give a huge standing ovation to apple for another great decision!!

:-)

I do agree it's a super price. But for those of us (you included) who have been using FCS since the beginning, and have paid for all the upgrades as they came out, to now pay the same has someone who is buying his first station leaves a bit of a sour note. Upgrades to FCS should be 299$ including Motion/Compressor.
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