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Hitatchi 3 TB: $7,999.99

Western Digital 2TB: $5,499.99
It's almost as if products vary in price based on more than a single metric. \

Those are a bulk multi-pack of hard drives.
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or the best.

Who has a more simple ecosystem, then?

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Hackintosh. people sell those even

Not since Psystar was sued into oblivion.

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, so no reason to say "i can't make one"

Make? Sure. Sell? Illegal.

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you can talk about how "but sometimes it windows" but aren't there computer SET UP to be able to run windows fine...?

I don't recall ever having such bad grammar or ever talking about that subject.

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or as i sum it up, if Steve Job's could have Apple design a computer/tablet that when you turned it sideways it would be impossible to see, he would.

So would I. I'm fine with my electronic devices being the width of one electron. That just means they can be larger, rolled up, embedded anywhere, or more portable.
post #43 of 78
Apple Store appears to have completed updating. All references I've seen now refer to 2TB and 3TB. And pricing is $299/$499 for 2TB/3TB.
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Originally Posted by saarek View Post

The Time Capsules have always been a rip off.

Why not buy an Airport Extreme Base station and attach a hard drive of your choosing via USB, granted it's not as elegant but you still get the excellent base station hardware and software whilst saving lots of cash.

Works well for me.

2nd that. I have a time capsule. 2nd one, first melted its capacitors as they often do. Apple may have replaced it but hey it was their design fault and no offer to save my data. Ok no big deal this time but all they have to do was pull out the drive and mirror it. The least they could do after designing such a junkheap. I would and will go the separate drive and router way next time. Elegant is not worth it is your data isn't safe!
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I think $299 is not a bad price for the 2GB one. I wonder if there is any difference between this model and the previous model (except the part number).
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Those are tech sexy!

http://www.qnap.com/USEng/Products.asp
Do any of them act as a wireless router base station or even have WiFi access, or do they require being connected via ethernet?

Apple could do a lot of business here with a zero-config device that is milled from a block of aluminium using the new Mac mini footprint, but 3.5x the height.

From what I have seen, iTunes servers only work with non-DRM content, so no video. The product spec page for the QNAP product says nothing about video, only music. Chances are, for most people, something like this would not work for their entire iTunes library.

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post #47 of 78
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I would just love for the new TC to run iTunes. I wouldn't have to leave my computers on just to stream movies. And hopefully a thunderbolt port for additional storage.

If you have newer Macs, set them to Wake on Wifi. The Airport and TC have Bonjour proxy, so it'll wake your Mac up automatically.
post #48 of 78
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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

There is a market out there for the Time Capsule but I doubt any of us are in that group of customers. Those who buy a Time Capsule are not tech savvy and just need somewhere to back files up to through their Macs.

Careful about your assumptions there tech boy!

Thanks, but I get all the technical stimulation I need taking care of the server at work, not to mention the router and its lovely and intuitive web browser interface.

I'm more than happy to have a TimeCapsule for our home network. Range and throughput are quite good, cable management needs are reduced, and the TimeMachine backups from my MBP are always there with no effort on my part. That's all worth money to me. If my TC died today I'd be home with a replacement before cocktail hour.

Not the high capacity version though. Apple thinks a bit too much of itself with that one.
post #49 of 78
everyone here complaining about costs, i can share some 'real world' experience.

I have had terastations, readyNas's and windows home servers from HP. they have all come and gone , however, the 2 TB Time Capsule always remains.

why?

because it works perfectly with my 3 macs in my house. nothing else even comes close if you want to use Time capsule for backing up and restoring a mac.

all the others advertise they will work... well they don't. just try to restore a mac book pro booting from a DVD looking for a time capsule that is not really a REAL time capsule.

I will pay $500 seven days a week and twice on Sundays for a real backup solution.
post #50 of 78
I have the original 1TB Time Capsule and haven't had a single issue with it. I love it. Super easy to set up and I don't ever have to think about it. If I was in the market for another, I'd have no worries jumping on one of these new models. Does that make me a tech illiterate or an Apple fan boy? I don't know, but it sure gives me ease of mind with no worry.
post #51 of 78
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I do hope the rumours about an iOS based Time Capsule-like product are true, but I hope they are as an Apple Home Server where it being iOS-based makes a lot more sense.

the time capsule was created for a singular purpose -- backups. Yes some more tech savvy folks have figured out they can use it a file server but that is not what it was made for. And it doesn't need iOS etc for its intended purpose.

If you want a server, you get a server and proper server software. Especially now that it is only $50 rather than $500 (or will be in a few more weeks). You'll have proper server software and not something cobbled by iOS's lack of a universal file system or direct file access.

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post #52 of 78
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From what I have seen, iTunes servers only work with non-DRM content, so no video. The product spec page for the QNAP product says nothing about video, only music. Chances are, for most people, something like this would not work for their entire iTunes library.

-kpluck

I purchased a 2x1TB Dlink NAS for just over $200. it wasn't plug and play but really not that difficult to set up. I can access it from my IPad but I have never got the Itunes server to work.

The connected PCs on the other hand are a PITA. They attempt to mount network drives before connecting to the network (both hardwired and WiFi). Google found lots of people with the same problem but no solution.
post #53 of 78
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Originally Posted by saarek View Post

The Time Capsules have always been a rip off.

Why not buy an Airport Extreme Base station and attach a hard drive of your choosing via USB, granted it's not as elegant but you still get the excellent base station hardware and software whilst saving lots of cash.

Works well for me.

Plus the power supplies had a horrible record of dying.
Apple give you a new TC but you lose your backup history.

I would not upgrade my 500GB to a higher size TC, just plug in a hard drive and be happier that the next power supply that goes won't take my data with it.

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post #54 of 78
I have a hunch that there may be some hidden features in Time Capsules, waiting to be unlocked with 10.7...
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Careful about your assumptions there tech boy!

Thanks, but I get all the technical stimulation I need taking care of the server at work, not to mention the router and its lovely and intuitive web browser interface.

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I'm with you there.

When I'm done working for the day, the last thing I need is tech problems to solve at home.

My consumer tech should just work and that includes best practice such as backup.

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post #56 of 78
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I think $299 is not a bad price for the 2GB one. I wonder if there is any difference between this model and the previous model (except the part number).

I have tried to upgrade the old 1 GB version with a 3 GB hard drive and it didn't work out. So I suppose the new models feature a firmware/chipset that can cope with hard drives >2,2 TB.
post #57 of 78
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Plus the power supplies had a horrible record of dying.
Apple give you a new TC but you lose your backup history.

I would not upgrade my 500GB to a higher size TC, just plug in a hard drive and be happier that the next power supply that goes won't take my data with it.

You can back up your Time Capsule to another drive which, if you don't have an off site back up, you should probably be doing anyway. Back the TC up a couple of times per month and move the drive to another location in case of theft or fire, etc.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1281

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post #58 of 78
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There is a market out there for the Time Capsule but I doubt any of us are in that group of customers. Those who buy a Time Capsule are not tech savvy and just need somewhere to back files up to through their Macs.

+1

Apple will have to pry my Raid-5 array out of my cold dead hands, but if I was going to setup a backup solution for a totaly clueless friend who used mac I'd probably give recommend the time-capsule thingy.
post #59 of 78
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From what I have seen, iTunes servers only work with non-DRM content, so no video. The product spec page for the QNAP product says nothing about video, only music. Chances are, for most people, something like this would not work for their entire iTunes library.

-kpluck

Works fine, it actually appears in iTunes as a shard library. If you have DRM content you just have to authorise your machines to play it. It works fine but for DRM content you still have the 5 machine limitation.
post #60 of 78
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I have a hunch that there may be some hidden features in Time Capsules, waiting to be unlocked with 10.7...

I agree!!!!
post #61 of 78
I would love to buy one, and I will just as soon as they add a bandwidth monitor to their software. Honestly, with the prevalence of data caps, even with so-called "unlimited" plans, I cannot understand why this is not a standard feature in all routers and other such devices. I regularly make use of my entire monthly allotment of bandwidth, and my Linksys router flashed with Tomato firmware is the only way I can know how close I am to my limit.
post #62 of 78
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Originally Posted by wvmb99 View Post

I second this. An Apple branded full featured home server would be handy - something I can replace my old power sucking G3 with...

http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/
The Mini makes a GREAT server. I have a multi drive RAID system attached to it for backups and I've been 100% happy with it.

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Does anyone here have a feeling for the wireless range of these (assuming that the new ones have no updates)? I find myself in the market for a new one, but have avoided the Apple wireless stations after the first one I bought - first or second gen with pathetic range and no easy way to add an antenna.

WTF are you talking about? I have an original Airport Extreme and a Time Capsule and both of them cover my entire 3200 ft2 house with ease - as well as a good bit of the yard.

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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

Just pickup a QNAP NAS box, it has a built in media server and iTunes server, around $350 for a 4 drive housing.

Except it doesn't work very well. I sold mine because it was always dropping connections and wouldn't handle iTunes properly (a lot of things wouldn't play). Not to mention that configuration was a mess.

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Originally Posted by Jexus View Post

3TB for $500?! Now I KNOW I'm never buying Apple drives.

Do you REALLY need someone to explain why the Time Capsule is not simply an Apple Drive or are you just trolling?

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Originally Posted by franktinsley View Post

I get what you're saying and in principle I completely agree but dude you posted prices for packs of TWENTY HARD DRIVES.

The 3 TB was $400 per drive. Obviously, the point is that $499 for a Time Capsule (which includes not only a 3 TB drive, but all the hardware and software needed for remote backups and so on) is not necessarily out of line.
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post #63 of 78
Was the problem with Time Capsules dying after short time resolved? I've read a lot of stories about hard drives burning out and complete data loss with only slight use and therefore I have Airport Extreme with external usb HDD.
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post #64 of 78
I'm wondering if this one will actually work? That would be great if it actually worked.
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I'm wondering if this one will actually work? That would be great if it actually worked.

How about some context so that we don't completely ignore your nonsense?
post #66 of 78
I posted this in another thread about the Airport Extreme, but I believe this will probably carry over to the new Time Capsule as well...


According to the FCC reports, there is a significant difference in the power output of the g/n radios at both 2.4 and 5ghz...

Previous Version...(follow the link, then click on the "Report" link)
http://goo.gl/B8PIu

New Version...
http://goo.gl/3yKRl


Previous Version...

freqency range mode output power dbm output power watts
2412-2462 802.11b 24.57 286.42
2412-2462 802.11g 21.56 143.22
2412-2462 802.11n(ht20) 21.17 130.92

5745-5825 802.11a 23.07 202.77
5745-5805 802.11n(ht20) 22.17 164.82
5755-5795 802.11n(ht40) 21.44 139.32


New Version...

2412-2462 802.11b 24.10 257.04
2412-2462 802.11g 24.88 307.61
2412-2462 802.11n(ht20) 24.11 257.63

5745-5825 802.11a 25.14 326.59
5745-5805 802.11n(ht20) 25.28 337.29
5755-5795 802.11n(ht40) 25.94 392.64



This should mean a fairly significant increase in range with the new model.
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Except it doesn't work very well. I sold mine because it was always dropping connections and wouldn't handle iTunes properly (a lot of things wouldn't play). Not to mention that configuration was a mess

Don't know which firmware you were running or on which box but v3 is cracking. Configuration is a doddle and once configured it runs superbly. I have only used the 4 drive and 8 drive units and currently have a 4 drive unit at home which has 4 2TB drives in a RAID5. All of my home systems backup to it at night and I also use it as a time machine drive (you can allocate any amount of space to TM in the configuration).

The iTunes shared library displays as if it were on another computer on the network and as long as the computer is authorised for your iTunes account the content plays. Works with both audio and digital copy videos (not bought any vids from Apple, but the digital copies from blu-rays are signed to your iTunes account)

It streams all of my media to my Xbox 360 (3 of them), PS3, Macs, windows7 boxes and my iPhones and IPad without a hitch.

We usually just have these boxes hanging off a domain for storage and backup so it was good to see just how simple it was to get the media sharing configured.

Oh, and the 3tb drives are $130-$200 each not $400
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Jexus: Thanks for the link to B&H. I have bought a number of computer- and photography-related items from them and can state that their prices and service have been top notch.

As much as I like and support Apple, it's foolish not to do some research WRT these kinds of peripherals. When ordering Macs I've always ordered from the Apple Store and have ordered the least amount of RAM and HDD that I can as I go to B&H or OWC and buy larger capacities. I know the average consumer might find doing such upgrades at home daunting, I've been doing it since monkeying around with the original 1978 Apple II computers and am comfortable doing it. I just lay my anti-static mat down on the kitchen counter, attach my anti-static wrist band to the ground on a nearby outlet, get out my odd tools for opening devices, and off I go.
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http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/
The 3 TB was $400 per drive. Obviously, the point is that $499 for a Time Capsule (which includes not only a 3 TB drive, but all the hardware and software needed for remote backups and so on) is not necessarily out of line.

3 TB drives cost nowhere near $400. A high-quality external 3 TB drive from OWC is around $300. The bare drive inside of it is around $200, retail. The Airport Extreme costs $180. That's over $100 markup for Apple to combine the two devices into one. Excessive.

I'd rather save the $100 and have full access to the hard drive to connect directly to a computer if necessary for drive maintenance or if you just have a huge amount of data transfer and want to use FW800 to do the job. And when bigger drives come along, or I want to go to a RAID, I can do it without repurchasing the router part. (Or repurchasing the drive part if the router dies).
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Complaining about TC prices? They are backup drive + wifi base station and printer server all in one box. The prices justified that plus you get a proper and tested hardware/software integration with your Macs.

Having said that, if you want a cheap backup drive + server but w/o the wifi bit, consider D-Link DNS-320 bare NAS with slot for 2x SATA HDD of your choosing for less than £65.00. It has media server, FTP, file server, iTunes server (so you don't have to put every single music on your iTunes library) and it also has AFP which mean if you have Airport utility installed, you can use the drive as your cheap Time Capsule even from a PC!

Further info: PDF data sheet
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[QUOTE=Wiggin;1886691]3 TB drives cost nowhere near $400. A high-quality external 3 TB drive from OWC is around $300. /QUOTE]

That depends on the drive - and you're missing the whole point. Someone posted a link to a 20 pack for $7999 - that's about $400 per drive.

THAT highlights the point. You can't determine the price of something merely by looking at one specification.

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The bare drive inside of it is around $200, retail. The Airport Extreme costs $180. That's over $100 markup for Apple to combine the two devices into one. Excessive.

Then you're fortunate that no one is going to make you buy one. But I don't think it's unreasonable. I could by an Airport extreme for $180 and an external 3 TB drive for $300. So for $19 more, I get them integrated and save one connection, one power supply, etc.

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I'd rather save the $100 and have full access to the hard drive to connect directly to a computer if necessary for drive maintenance or if you just have a huge amount of data transfer and want to use FW800 to do the job. And when bigger drives come along, or I want to go to a RAID, I can do it without repurchasing the router part. (Or repurchasing the drive part if the router dies).

Then don't buy one.

No one ever claimed that the product was ideal for everyone. But I love my Time Capsule. I use a MacBook Pro for most of my computing - sitting on the couch, sitting on the porch, etc. With the time capsule, Time Machine automatically backs it up all the time. With your solution, I have to periodically connect to the external backup system - or buy a different NAS which will probably not end up any less expensive than the Time Capsule
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... I just lay my anti-static mat down on the kitchen counter, attach my anti-static wrist band to the ground on a nearby outlet, get out my odd tools for opening devices, and off I go.

That's too excessive. Just open it up on the floor or table, touch the metal part of the Mac or your grounded radiator panel and off you go. Just don't move around too much generating static electricity.
post #73 of 78
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But wait, John. Why would you pay $500 for a 3TB Time Capsule when you can buy a Linksys E4200 dual band router and a Seagate 3TB NAS for the low, low price of $370. That's $130 in savings.

But that's not all We'll also throw in complex setup between devices, fragmented service and support which could be hours of fun for you and your family. Act now, supplies are limited.

So true.

The pricing on the 3TB is a bit awkward though. Buying two 2TB time capsules only costs $100 more for an additional 1TB of additional storage and basically a repeater for doubling the size of the network footprint. Considering you don't need to buy them both at the same time and I can see this down-selling customers who would otherwise consider the higher capacity model to a 2TB in the short term.
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

3 TB drives cost nowhere near $400. A high-quality external 3 TB drive from OWC is around $300. /QUOTE]

That depends on the drive - and you're missing the whole point. Someone posted a link to a 20 pack for $7999 - that's about $400 per drive.

THAT highlights the point. You can't determine the price of something merely by looking at one specification.



Then you're fortunate that no one is going to make you buy one. But I don't think it's unreasonable. I could by an Airport extreme for $180 and an external 3 TB drive for $300. So for $19 more, I get them integrated and save one connection, one power supply, etc.



Then don't buy one.

No one ever claimed that the product was ideal for everyone. But I love my Time Capsule. I use a MacBook Pro for most of my computing - sitting on the couch, sitting on the porch, etc. With the time capsule, Time Machine automatically backs it up all the time. With your solution, I have to periodically connect to the external backup system - or buy a different NAS which will probably not end up any less expensive than the Time Capsule

Don't bother giving me advice, I've already made my decision. I was simply pointing out facts that highlight the high prices Apple charges compared to alternatives and to their likely costs to include a 3 TB drive. I won't buy one. Just like I won't buy RAM from Apple. But for some people, they'd rather just have Apple install the RAM form them when they buy the computer. Like you say, evaluate your needs. My needs are to still be able to access my data if my router dies, or to only have to spend $180 vs $500 if the drive fails. Good luck with that! (BTW: If my drive does fail, I've got a 3-year warranty. What do you have?)

Considering how great Apple's prices are on things like the iPad, it's too bad they still feel the need to price some of their other products so uncompetitively.
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No info about the CPU in the new version?

The problem with the old version is that the CPU is to slow. When you connect USB drives to the device you only get 8-12 megabyte transfer rate. With an A4 CPU we would get 25-35 megabyte.
The internal disk would also speed up considerably with a faster CPU.
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No info about the CPU in the new version?

The problem with the old version is that the CPU is to slow. When you connect USB drives to the device you only get 8-12 megabyte transfer rate. With an A4 CPU we would get 25-35 megabyte.
The internal disk would also speed up considerably with a faster CPU.

According to Engadget, a teardown of the new Time Capsule revealed a minor surprise: the lack of an enterprise harddrive, seemingly a contradiction to their advertised spec's, or at the least what the general understanding of a "server-grade harddrive" is meant to be.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/u...ve-nowhere-to/
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The things you come across on the internet:
http://timecapsuledead.org/
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