Originally Posted by tonton
I show you where socialism has been an utter success, and you come up with 'socialism is a cesspool of a failure'... gotta love hyperbole.
Don't mix my words. I said above the cesspool statement that socialism can work when everyone pays in a "premuim" which will sustain and ensure that which is being socialized. (roads, bridges, schools, hospitals etc.) When you fail to have everyone pay in a decent portion of a "premium" then the programs start to have cracks in the funding and you see stories of teachers being laid off and entire schools that have been built not able to be opened due to funding shortages. California in the US anyway has higher taxes than most of the US yet they have so many funding problems. Higher taxes does not solve all problems in fact sometimes higher taxes only drives people out of the state. I just read a story I think from the NYTimes that said "Blacks" are leaving New York for the south because the cost of living is too high in NY. The New York Times mind you....
Sure. Sweden is a success because there are no immigrants there. That's not racism. Right.
It has nothing to do with race. It has to do with economics. If you want to make it racial than you are being intellectually lazy. I stated facts.
France isn't a success because... why exactly?
If I did not live in the US I could see myself living in France thank you very much. This said. I have never had so many street people harrass me and my wife as I have in Paris France. I have been to many large US cities and yes there are poor and homeless. But with your argument about how wonderful things are in "socialized" countries I would expect Paris France to be a bit less congested with so many people that are in hard times on the street. Yet they are there and it is a very sad way to live and I feel bad for them.
Stock markets in socialized democracies have outperformed the US since the Reagan era. Scaremongers say socialism has the opposite effect, and they are obviously wrong. Can we address the point, or shall we carry on with hyperbole (socialism is a cesspool of failure!) non-sequitur (but it's not fair, we have to educate those illegal immigrants!) or excuses (but... But... Sweden doesn't have immigrants! Sweden has oil... Canada has er... Nevermind.)?
Europe has many SOLID companies. I could compile a list of all of the very high quality companies that are within Europe and it does not surprise me that their stocks have done well. Siemens, BMW, Total / Fina, Novartis, Alcatel, Vivendi, VW, Pernod-Ricard Where to stop?
I am not surprised that Europe has quality stocks and stock performance. The european country that I am most impressed with for economic reasons is Germany. They have low unemployment. They export well that which they produce. This builds their prosperiety and is why I argue that America needs to do more to export more of a percentage of our overall GDP.
I never said America was better than Europe. I just think we have different situations and problems to work through.
I am not against socialism that works. I am for it. I am against socialism that is doomed to fail.
I would rather pay taxes to drive on roads than pay a toll on every damn road I drive on.
One thing I am SICK of subsidizing however are all of the military ventures that the US has decided to embark on over the last soooo many years....
It is overkill pardon the pun.