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Originally Posted by foxhunter101 View Post

I think they'll (Apple) get into the TV business with a "whole' Apple TV, not just a set top box.
Running iOS and having iCloud and the interface with your iPhone and iPad seems a natural evolution to me. Imagine the possibilities.....

But Apple could do ALL of that with an update to the $99 AppleTV.
post #82 of 104
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post

But Apple could do ALL of that with an update to the $99 AppleTV.

They won't. They'll put out an A5 Apple TV with software that handles third-party apps (read: CHANNELS), and it won't be available to the A4 Apple TV.

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post #83 of 104
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post

But Apple could do ALL of that with an update to the $99 AppleTV.

because - and I can't say it better so I'm just gonna quote -

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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

If Apple only has an add-on device, and a consumer buys a new TV with GoogleTV built-in, why should they spend more on aTV add-on?
post #84 of 104
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

If Apple only has an add-on device, and a consumer buys a new TV with GoogleTV built-in, why should they spend more on aTV add-on?

More replying to cloudgazer than the actual author of this quote but...

When Apple makes the Apple TV into what it SHOULD be, no one will waste their money on a TV with GoogleTV built in.

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post #85 of 104
This entire "homeshare" thing is pointless until Apple makes it a background service in OS X and extends the functionality to time capsule shares.

I don't want to make sure my computer is on and iTunes is open to be able to access my media.

Oh I wish I could add SMB shares and have it interface like XBMC right out of the FrontRow interface.
post #86 of 104
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

More replying to cloudgazer than the actual author of this quote but...

When Apple makes the Apple TV into what it SHOULD be, no one will waste their money on a TV with GoogleTV built in.

Of course they will, the same way that they bought phones that could play MP3s even if they owned iPods - because you couldn't find a nice model that didn't.

I'm quite sure Google are working on getting partners for Chrome on TV.
post #87 of 104
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Originally Posted by dagamer34 View Post

Please, some one answer me what an Apple-branded TV would do which my current HDTV and AppleTV couldn't do?

Volume control (edit: from the apple remote)

Also rather than switching the TV between AppleTV, DVD, regular TV - the AppleTV would have to have TV channels on it, and connections to DVD players etc.
The iPHone as a remote could also do some brilliant things, perhaps..

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Honestly, I buy a TV for it's picture quality and nothing else. If I want to play games or watch TV, I'll use a dedicated device!

While I tend to agree, as TVs start to integrate YouTube and media playback, Apple will have to either make the AppleTV do something MONUMENTALLY better to justify being an extra box, or have a strategy that involves being inside TVs.
post #88 of 104
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Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post

Even if Apple decided that they couldn't achieve large margins in the TV market they might still choose to enter it

It's possible they could go for the high end market that Pioneer gave up on. Those pioneers had such great quality. People could lust after the high end products for their quality, and Apple could be recognised and lauded for their interface and their hardware quality - then most people would buy the cheaper AppleTV add-on box to get the content.
post #89 of 104
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Originally Posted by Patranus View Post

This entire "homeshare" thing is pointless until Apple makes it a background service in OS X and extends the functionality to time capsule shares.

I don't want to make sure my computer is on and iTunes is open to be able to access my media.

Oh I wish I could add SMB shares and have it interface like XBMC right out of the FrontRow interface.

I would imagine iCloud would replace this. You will be able to accss your iTunes content from
any iOS device.
post #90 of 104
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Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post

Of course they will, the same way that they bought phones that could play MP3s even if they owned iPods - because you couldn't find a nice model that didn't.

I'm quite sure Google are working on getting partners for Chrome on TV.

You know, companies way more powerful than Google have tried to get the whole "web tv" thing going for YEARS.

It has never taken off. The interfaces are too clunky, and... maybe people just don't want to browse the web on their TV?

GoogleTV hasn't really taken off either.
post #91 of 104
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

They won't. They'll put out an A5 Apple TV with software that handles third-party apps (read: CHANNELS), and it won't be available to the A4 Apple TV.

This is what I meant by "update".

Although as the A4 runs iOS, I wouldn't be surprised at it getting some new features, like iCloud and other apps. But I expect the A5 to have more features.
post #92 of 104
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post

I would imagine iCloud would replace [homeshare]. You will be able to accss your iTunes content from any iOS device.

You'd hope so, but I don't think it will.

Obviously homeshare lets you get content between your devices, using AppleID to identify and connect between those devices. iCloud should supercede that - and even allow devices to think they're getting content from the cloud, when in reality they get pointed to a nearby device that has that content and pull it sideways within your own network.

In fact, you could replace any homeshare options with "iCloud", and when you look at your homeshare/iCloud get an amalgamated list of content available in the cloud and local homeshares. Or even not differentiate the cloud from the actual device, and have that full list of your content automatically shown on the AppleTV, without ever knowing what is on the AppleTV, what is on a nearby computer sharing your AppleID, and what is in the cloud.

But if they'd actually done something so far reaching, surely we'd have heard about it at this point?
post #93 of 104
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post

You know, companies way more powerful than Google have tried to get the whole "web tv" thing going for YEARS.

It has never taken off. The interfaces are too clunky, and... maybe people just don't want to browse the web on their TV?

GoogleTV hasn't really taken off either.

I never listened to music on my old feature phone, because the interface was clunky compared to my iPod, and the battery life was horrible, and the sound was tinny. But Apple could see that eventually phones would get good enough and the MP3 player market would dwindle - as it has.
post #94 of 104
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

You'd hope so, but I don't think it will.

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But if they'd actually done something so far reaching, surely we'd have heard about it at this point?

They haven't done it. Yet. From what we know of the Cloud so far it doesn't support streaming, perhaps due to licensing constraints. It also doesn't support your video purchases from iTunes, nevermind any kind of matching there. iCloud isn't done yet, it's clearly very much iCloud-1.0.

I'm sure they're negotiating as fast as they can with content providers to be able to extend iCloud to the point that it does what we all want - ie. makes the whole experience of owning/renting content seamless.
post #95 of 104
This old rumor again

I still think the best option is a hybrid.

Think of an Apple TV with a Thunderbolt port (i.e. data + video).

Apple then design a specification for 3rd parties that outlines control of the TV via the attached Apple TV as well as data exchange between the TV and the Apple TV.

The Apple TV can then start doing a whole bunch of fun stuff like popping up overlays over whatever you are watching or taking over the screen when someone AirPlays to it.

If the TV is able to feed information to the Apple TV, such as the current channel or program, then the Apple TV could pop up related overlays when you wanted.
post #96 of 104
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Originally Posted by OllieWallieWhiskers View Post

Apple will make a TV with zero inputs & one optical audio output. and it will be glorious.
bring it home, plug in the power, plug in the audio, turn it on, enter your appleid/password, done.

I for one would never buy a TV that wouldn't let me attach game consoles and a surround system. iOS for games? Let's see....will Skyrim be able to play on it? No? Not interested.
post #97 of 104
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post

I would imagine iCloud would replace this. You will be able to accss your iTunes content from
any iOS device.

How does the iCloud help me with my 300 DVDs, 250 blu-rays, and 50+ seasons of TV and I have spend countless hours turning into MP4?

I can already stream them over the internet to my iOS device from home. I can already access them on my AppleTV via XBMC.

What I want is an out of the box solution for my home network.

Hell, iCloud doesn't even stream content, it just pushes it to each device.
post #98 of 104
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post #99 of 104
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

-Why would anyone ever buy a massively overpriced Apple television screen? It's just a screen, and most it can be is 1080p with a frigging webcam. Stupid!

-let's see, $5,000 for an Apple 50" Display (with internals that will be obsolete/refreshed in 12 months, LOL)

Where are you getting this from? Apple learned their "overpriced" lesson years ago. The original 22" Cinema Display was $3999 when it came out. Now you can get the 27" LED Cinema Display (with more than twice as many pixels) for $999. There's no good reason to infer that Apple would charge $5000 for a 50" TV. I'd bet that Apple could scale up the 27" LED Display, (same resolution, but with TV guts) to 45" or 50" for somewhere between $1500 and $2000.

I mean, I'm not sure how marketable an Apple-branded TV is, but wasn't the same said for the iPhone (Apple should not get into the mobile phone business!) and the iPad (meh, it's just a large iPod touch!)? It's good to maintain a healthy skepticism in any context, but sheesh, give Apple a little credit!
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post #100 of 104
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

More replying to cloudgazer than the actual author of this quote but...

When Apple makes the Apple TV into what it SHOULD be, no one will waste their money on a TV with GoogleTV built in.

No one is wasting their money on Google TV now, it was pretty much DOA.
post #101 of 104
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No one is wasting their money on Google TV now, it was pretty much DOA.

Oh, good. That's what I thought, too, but I hadn't heard any outside opinions about it.

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post #102 of 104
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Originally Posted by dagamer34 View Post

Please, some one answer me what an Apple-branded TV would do which my current HDTV and AppleTV couldn't do?

If you were due for a new TV and one was available with Apple TV on board, why would you buy two separate devices.

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Honestly, I buy a TV for it's picture quality and nothing else. If I want to play games or watch TV, I'll use a dedicated device!

You should check out the iPhone 4. It has a calculator!!!
post #103 of 104
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Originally Posted by Porchland View Post

If you were due for a new TV and one was available with Apple TV on board, why would you buy two separate devices.

So that I could update my iOS+A[number] hardware without wasting money on a brand new TV when my existing panel (because that's all a TV will be once the Apple TV really gets rolling) is perfectly fine.

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post #104 of 104
  • U.S. consumers are content.
  • The TVs they have are big enough.
  • They have enough TVs.
  • They are not interested in buying a 3D TV.
  • They are not interested in buying a smart TV.
  • They want to watch less TV.
  • They would rather spend money on something else.

83% of 45000+ randomly polled U.S. households in the second quarter of 2011 had no intention of buying a new TV in the next 12 months.

US Consumers Unwilling to Buy New TVs Now at All-Time High of 83 Percent, Citing Economic Fears
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