Apple releases Mac OS X 10.6.8 with Mac App Store enhancements for Lion - Page 2

It killed my iMac, after update the machine rebooted and never started up after that - I am stuck with white screen after reboot, not even apple logo. Help!

Again, What has he disclosed that Apple has not already disclosed? Once Apple discloses something it is no longer restricted by the NDA!

So one person has trouble and you say "do not install"? Yeah, we'll heed that warning.

You did something wrong. Pop in your Snow Leopard disc and repair it.

Why shouldn't AirPlay be in QT on Mac OS X, when it already is on iOS?! Why would I want to add files to my iTunes library just to send it to Apple TV and then the trash?

I should be able to use airplay from the QT web plugin as well! Apple's Mac AirPlay support is half-ass, and appears NO BETTER on 10.7 either!

I did nothing wrong, I have instalked the update same way as all other updates and then bammmm. I googled that more people had similar problems and no known reason was discovered so far, in my case removing bootcamp partition solved the problem (I wasn't using Windows anyway).

Just be careful before updating. :-)

Is OS X Lion bloated? On another forum I visit we were discussing different Linux distributions and some more experienced Mac users think the Mac software is becoming a bit bloated. It isn't a lightning fast OS compared to some Linux distributions.

I suppose it all depends on the point of view of the user. Is an app store really needed? Why not just continue to acquire programs the same way as before? This adds another layer of stuff to the OS. Is communicating with another proprietary IM system needed? That's more stuff.

It is too bad that the OS X software is getting so specialized that it won't work on some older machines, yet Linux distros work great on older machines and make them blazing fast. I have a 2.3 GHz AMD LE 1300 Sempron with 2 GB RAM and it is running things faster than Leopard OS X using 10.5.8. My Mac Book has a 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo with 2 GB RAM.

On the Ubuntu machine I can scroll down a page of photos and nearly all of them appear instantly as I do it. On my Mac Book as I scroll at that same speed I mostly see icons in place of the thumbnail images. Often the scrolling freezes for a moment. It just doesn't seem right that my $255.00 HP desktop with a free OS runs faster than an $1150.00 Mac Book.

I'm not sure I'll buy another Mac. I do want to buy an iPod Touch now that it can exist independently of a computer. That is good news because it will be another reason I'll be able to switch to Linux. Once Netflix works on Linux there will be no real reason for me to continue to use Vista or Leopard.

As iOS gets more powerful with more programs/apps, how many ordinary people will be abandoning their Macs? That day is coming sooner than you might think.

re. the comments about download sizing

10.6.8 Combo updater, for any release of 10.6 Snow Leopard (10.6.0 through 10.6.7), if download as a file from Apple, is 1.09 GB.
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1399

10.6.8 Delta updater, the 'delta' update, only for 10.6.7 users, if download as a file from Apple is 474 MB.
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1400

And if you use Software Update, then it makes a scan of your current system and components, and downloads only the necessary subset of pieces for your particular system. Which is almost always less than the single file download (this applies whether you are a 'delta' updater or a 'combo' updater).

Though, based on past experiences, many technical users choose the Combo updater to be sure that all pieces are refreshed. (And with the usual repair permissions step before the update, then again after the update...)

But these Combo updaters are sure gettin' mighty big thar...

Backup your shit and install Lion from scratch when it is released. Just buy it on the App store, download it, burn it off then backup and do a fresh install. Best way to upgrade from any version of OSX in my experience.

Linux as a desktop OS is terrible and purely the realm of the sadomasochistic user. Its fine as a base for Xen in servers or for firewalls but thats where its universal usability ends.

If you were to roll linux out as a desktop OS in an office environment your customer would shoot you.

Lion, even in beta form is smaller and faster than Leopard and Snow leopard ever were on the same hardware. Its also waaay more user friendly than linux.

The drivers in Lion make a HUGE difference in World of Warcraft allowing you to use ultra water and lighting effects without killing the fps. Pity there is a mouse freeze bug in WoW on lion which loses the mouse input for a second when you rotate the camera.

So the gist of your commentary has very little to do with the recent update and everything (it seems) to do with running Linux? Your technorati bias is showing through clearly. The heavy majority of Mac users is skewed towards the average consumer (TAC) - who ARE the "ordinary people" who sure as heck AREN'T going to be installing Linux desktop anytime soon. Just because your distros in Linux are spartan and long-tailed to the extreme doesn't mean that it is anymore attractive to TAC. Your Linux lib and services of course are going to run faster on the HP desktop because it is built to do that, less stuff installed, less overhead to manage - one would think that for someone who is messing around with Linux you would be savvy enough to recognize the inherent differences between the platforms and understand the whys and wherefores of your performance differences without coming here to plant your rant in this thread.

Most of us here get it - Linux runs very nicely. Yep. No doubt there. But here's the deal. You like (by way of analogy) to run around with a basic build no frills truck to do your hauling - that's fantastic and I'm happy for you. But the average person WANTS amenities like nice seats, air conditioning, satellite radio, sun roof, power steering, etc. What suits you, suits you, but your needs wants and desires in this case are categorically NOT the needs wants and desires of an average consumer. And that's OK. But to complain about it here is rather silly I think...

So. Downloaded this update through software update and now my MacBook Pro is unresponsive. I get all the way through the boot process and to the desktop. But at that point, nothing is responsive. My cursor moves, but I can't click on anything. Visually, the only thing that looks out of the norm is my volume icon is grayed out. How do I fix my computer?

Edit: After just letting the computer sit for about 10 minutes, it just started working. The volume icon was still grayed out and the mail app wouldn't open though. I downloaded the full combo update and ran that instead. Everything seems to be working great now.

Just update and now TRIM Support=Yes in System Profiler on a 2010 MacBook Pro with an APPLE SSD TS128B installed. Already noticing a performance boost.

I downloaded a 450GB update and now the app store app crashes on opening. Some improvement.

I have bootcamp but no issue like yours, very strange. I did however loose bluetooth, actually happens quite often with updates. SMC reset did the trick so no harm done thus far.

Highly recommend perm repair before & after any upgrade, and if you have issues PRAM & SMC resets are always a good idea. Also using a tool like Onyx to delete system caches sometimes helps.

I really wish Apple would build in some of these simple troubleshooting techniques to happen automatically when issues are encountered. Great tool for some of this stuff is AppleJack, lets you do a lot of that stuff from single user mode.

The Redhat people would disagree. Business applications is what they do. Cannonical does the same.


I only commented about how quickly my photos showed up using Ubuntu on a clearly inferior machine compared to a Mac Book that cost four times as much. I didn't specifically comment on any other operation.

In a 2009 demonstration of the newest Mac Books with a new dedicated graphics chip and a faster buss speed, it showed how fast it processed images. The demonstrator scrolled down a page full of thumbnail images and almost all of them were photos, not icons. That impressed me. I couldn't do that with my 2008 Mac Book.

That is the type of usage the ordinary person does. I'm ordinary. I do that often.

I've never been to Technorati.

I don't know much about the inner workings of Linux or the different distributions. I'm an ordinary user that got fed up with Vista and installed a Linux dual boot. I did it with plenty of help from forums. I don't know any html or any type of coding. What I can do is follow good instructions.

As far as the no frills truck; trucks are good but I like fancy things sometimes. Though I don't use all that is available for Linux or the Mac, the frilly stuff is available in Linux in abundance. Social networking is even more advanced than features in Snow Leopard.

About complaining here being silly; maybe it is in some respects. Since Lion is new and it is an OS that does things for users, it seemed the right place to ask opinions of others if they thought the newer OSs are getting too bloated (especially since the update for some people was bigger than 1 GB).

Like I said, it just seems wrong that graphics, file transfers, logon/logoff times, and the like are faster on an inferior machine using Ubuntu. I love Leopard. I rejoice in how much better it works compared to anything from Microsoft. Leopard really makes me smile when I think of that comparison.

Ten years from now I don't think I'll want to buy a super computer from Apple just so I can watch holographic movies and use voice commands while having conversations with my home system.

For those having problems with the update, it would be interesting to know what kind/year of Mac you have. I know I had problems with my 2006 MBP after some updates, but ever since I upgraded last year, I haven't had any problems with recent updates.

Permissions....

Since all Linux installs come with no iLife suite then yes, they are definitely a smaller footprint than what comes default on any Mac. On top of that OS X comes with many other fully featured system wide apps that take up space where as Linux has a few half attempts at being a professional grade application; you still often have to find & install much of the best Linux software out there just to get it to come even close to what Windows & OS X do out of the box. Comparing the 2 OSes based on total drive consumption alone is really quite worthless, especially since a difference of 10 - 20GB in systems isn't going to make any difference on a 250GB drive.


Actually many of the changes to OS X have allowed apps obtain a smaller footprint & become more powerful, the app store is somewhat of an extension of this as it simplifies all sorts of methods of packaging. So again, I don't think you fully understand what you are talking about.


Any OS can run faster on other hardware if you strip it down, why OS X can actually be so efficient it will run on phone hardware. That's right, iOS is OS X in a scaled down & more optimized form, and Lion will be a more optimized form for desktop/laptop environment. Also, comparing performance against 10.5 is worthless anyway since it is the slowest version of OS X that was ever released. It was a necessary release to help transition people from PPC to Intel so it was extra bloated.


Vista & Leopard?! You poor soul! You are certainly welcome to never buy a Mac again & if sticking with Linux makes you happy then go for it, the right choice is always what makes your personal life easier.

Love it! Boy I needed a good laugh today, thanks so much.

Where did you read this?

It's common sense.

Remembering instantly that there IS an actual book called Common Sense, that's not what I'm talking about here.

What were the bugs? I haven't used Celestia in a while but am thinking of firing it up again.

So please do tell us EXACTLY how you did your update... and I'm sure there will be at least half a dozen replies saying: YOU DID IT WRONG!

No matter that each time before you did it the same way and it worked. Consider that dumb luck. This time? Not so lucky.

Hint #1: you did do a backup and repaired permissions BEFORE you clicked update, didn't you?

So tell the class now: what did you learn by that?

Snark aside, it is always advisable IMHO to take the extra time and download the Combo update (overnight)... and then repair permissions as I mentioned above FIRST and again AFTER.

Works EVERY time for me and close to 35 systems I'm responsible for since Jaguar I believe.

Sorry. Missed your post detailing what I wrote above.

YES! Updates should include a prep-script, and a post-script, from Apple that does all of this for the user.

It would save 1000's of wasted forum posts, rants, and grey hairs. Well... too late on the grey hairs part for me

BTW: I also "cheat" by using Applejack. I'm just not sure it's a good idea to point newbies to that powerful program without knowing what they are doing. Onyx for most people is too dangerous even. No. Official Apple scripts is the answer.

OK after a few days we found there are indeed some printing issues ("breaks" some drivers) but that's more a matter of vendors being ahead of the curve and updating their drivers. On a positive note, this update resolved an issue with some third party USB drives that were previously causing panic on reboot.

Found a volume of approx 210 Mb, writable but not mounted with name disk0s1. It is new? Lion's remote installation ready?

No, it isn't. That's been there since OS X started. Leave it alone; trust me.