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post #41 of 90
I'm really quite disappointed at the loss of Gallery, especially since there's no clear alternative that offers the same seamless integration and polished appearance. And this comes only two years after Apple pulled the rug out from under HomePage users when it shut down that service and made no effort to aid in the transition of data to Gallery.
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post #42 of 90
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Apple manages to delete people's data with almost every transition they do ....

This is almost the textbook definition of hyperbole.

They transferred data once, and there was some minor data loss with some people.
You can't tell anything from that. You're being ridiculous.
post #43 of 90
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Originally Posted by woolie View Post

They fixed Mobile Me by loping off the things that WORKED!!!! I failing to see the beauty of iCloud when hundreds of hours of work are tossed in the trash...

Thank you! I agree 100%

Having Web Gallery, iWeb hosting and iDisk all under one roof was an awesome service. MobileMe was great at grouping ones digital life into one integrated package. Now Apple is turning it's back on integration and is promoting fragmentation. Have they forgotten that integration is one of the HUGE reasons we love Apple?

I was anticipating iCloud dropping iWeb hosting and started using an FTP site to host my site. Of course doing that has already cost me as much as my MobileMe subscription. Now Apple is telling me I have to pay Flick for my picture hosting and pay DropBox for my file sharing. How is this a good thing?

iCloud offers some good features, but why did it have to drop the best of MobileMe to get them?
post #44 of 90
Maybe I'm being naive, but is there a Apple consumer complaint email addy that anyone can write to in matters like this. We have almost a year to bombard them with complaints. Doesn't anyone remember when SJ got rid of Matte screens only to reintroduce them after Pro and non-pro complaints? My point is, it can't hurt. Just complaining here may get us nowhere, but I know it's good to vent.
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post #45 of 90
This is turning out to be another one of those many times as an Apple user that decisions by Apple are going to force me to fix something that isn't broke. I use, on a near daily basis, most of the services being cut from MoMe. I just uploaded a large PDF, too large to e-mail, so my colleague could access it. I use iWeb and MoMe to host my site. I sync my keychains etc across all my computers. Bummer bummer bummer.
post #46 of 90
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Maybe I'm being naive, but is there a Apple consumer complaint email addy that anyone can write to in matters like this. We have almost a year to bombard them with complaints. Doesn't anyone remember when SJ got rid of Matte screens only to reintroduce them after Pro and non-pro complaints? My point is, it can't hurt. Just complaining here may get us nowhere, but I know it's good to vent.

The best place to vent is at Apple's Feedback page.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Here's a direct link to the MobileMe Feedback page:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/mobileme.html

I've already sent two responses through this page regarding the MobileMe losses. It really stinks.
post #47 of 90
Let me add that I use iDisk across a number of older computers and laptops that still have life left in them. The new iCloud appears like it will only work with Macs running the latest OS. My older machines can't even upgrade to the new OS (G4 chips).
post #48 of 90
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Sadly I am one of those 15. Loved iWeb for ease of maintaining blog on own domain. Hmmm might be time to finally migrate to a "real" web site builder app...

Just use the built in FTP option on a Network Solutions web host or similar, it works like a treat.
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post #49 of 90
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Apple on Friday offered some additional transparency on its MobileMe to iCloud transition, specifying which features will safely make the jump to the new service and which will be lost forever -- namely iDisk, Gallery and iWeb.

So basically, Apple is confirming that iCloud is NOT a replacement for MobileMe. In the same way that Quicken Essentials is not a replacement for Quicken. They are two entirely different products. One of which is being abandoned...not upgraded, replaced, or superseded by the other, totally different, product.

And yes, I am placing Apple with the likes of Intuit. Both companies have or are abandoning users of their products without a credible replacement in the new product.
post #50 of 90
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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

Apple is making a laughing stock out of themselves - how do you have an "iCloud" service with no iDisk or iWeb? It's just a poor man's version of Sugar Sync except you only get to sync a few selected proprietary file formats.

Nope not file formats. They'll put access to iCloud in Xcode and developers will have to use the framework to implement it. The end user likely won't even know what iCloud is or that it exists. The app will open up the iCloud data store and all the user will see is that their data is synced across machines.

Apple has never been a fan of files and directories (I remember comments on this line when Spotlight was introduced).
post #51 of 90
but praytell why in the world does it need an Administrator password? This makes it very hard to implement on managed clients.

With iDisk my clients were able to use theirs without bugging me for administrator access.
post #52 of 90
I know that iweb will keep working with idisk, and I can use it to post my site somewhere else via FTP, but of course, that hosting won't be free. However, my main concern isn't really hosting a "site" persay, as much as hosting web-accessible files that I (or someone else) can access via your basic web link. I guess the dropbox thing requires that you access your files with some sort of app, regardless of platform, right? (correct me if I'm wrong on that, I'm not a dropbox user currently, so I don't know the ins and outs).

My main thing is that I want to be able to easily put files of any type (not just certain media types associated with specific aps like doc, jpg and gif, mp3 and aif, etc) up on a server and be able to access them via a standard HTTP connection from wherever on whatever platform WITHOUT any special client app, just a browser. So, web hosting, without the website. iDisk has worked great for me for a long time, so it's really irritating that they're going to just drop it. I mean, they just finished their GIANT data center in N Carolina for the icloud stuff, I would think that the iweb/idisk users' data storage and server-side bandwidth requirements would be a tiny drop in the bucket compared to what they're preparing for with icloud, so why not just leave it alone, roll it into icloud, maybe lower the storage amount given for free if necessary, charging a bit for more GB.

Blah, the whole thing irritates the hell out of me. I suppose I'm just going to move to regular old web hosting somewhere else, which will inevitably require me to do my uploading via ye olde ancient FTP, totally UN-integrating the whole situation for me.
post #53 of 90
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Originally Posted by EmperorsNewClothes View Post

Check out Dropbox. You can host websites on there and a free account with unlimited bandwidth gives you 2 GB of space. That's more than enough for most websites.

Yes. We get it. You get more space if you refer people. But that's what we call spamming in these here hills. This town ain't big enough for a spammer.

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post #54 of 90
Just pay to colocate a server or a hosting service. Everything is on your terms and can be migrated wherever you wish. My @mac.com address is the only reason I'm sticking around at this point.
post #55 of 90
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Originally Posted by yensid98 View Post

The best place to vent is at Apple's Feedback page.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Here's a direct link to the MobileMe Feedback page:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/mobileme.html

I've already sent two responses through this page regarding the MobileMe losses. It really stinks.

Thanks yensid98. Sent mine. I kept it civil, hopefully someone will actually read it.
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post #56 of 90
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So I iCloud has no way of storing arbitrary files? I imagine the sync services are wrapped behind some kind of Cocoa framework bummer.

What the hell is an "arbitrary file?"
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post #57 of 90
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Originally Posted by stevetim View Post

iDisk gone. So how do we get large un-emailable non-apple files like powerpoint presentations into keynote for iPad/iPhone?

My understanding of Documents in the the Cloud is only apple files will use the feature. iPad for keynote currently can access ppt files on iDisk. I wonder how they will handle non-apple files now that you can't store data directly in the cloud view a cloud disk?

I am a huge fan of Dropbox. I hardly ever use idisk anymore.
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post #58 of 90
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What the hell is an "arbitrary file?"

Oh, you know, one of those in the corner. Go ahead and pick one. Sure, that one, why not.

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post #59 of 90
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Originally Posted by macadam212 View Post

I guess Back To My Mac is on the scrap heap too.

The article clearly states that Back to my Mac is sticking around.
post #60 of 90
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Originally Posted by jlandd View Post

All a good idea except for the Mac Mini part.

Better that than an Xserve!
post #61 of 90
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Originally Posted by EmperorsNewClothes View Post

Check out Dropbox. You can host websites on there and a free account with unlimited bandwidth gives you 2 GB of space. That's more than enough for most websites.

I signed up with that link and never got an extra 250MB.
post #62 of 90
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Originally Posted by mactoid View Post

iDisk was the main reason I subscribed to MobileMe. It's good iCloud is going to be free cause I wouldn't pay for a service that didn't allow me to stash files for access nearly anywhere.

I definitely use iDisk, but it was the 'share your albums from iPhoto with family anywhere' thing that was compelling for me. Now, from what I gather, I won't even be able to share the albums with myself anymore - I don't want to try to load/manage all the photo storage on my portable devices, being able to use the MobileMe gallery app and/or web interface was just perfect, and being able to share high-quality one-click-download galleries was great too.

I know there are alternatives (though thanks to the person giving me the 1password tip), I just liked having the disk storage / photo albums / keychains / email / etc. all in 1 package, and it really feels like the iCloud rollout will force things to get more complicated unless you really don't want to see your filesystem or share photo albums anymore. I really don't get it.
post #63 of 90
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I am a huge fan of Dropbox. I hardly ever use idisk anymore.

I use Dropbox for work (need to share with Windows users as well), iDisk as a not-remotely-tied-in-to-work home & personal fileshare. But the hope would have been that iDisk is cleaned up to be as good as Dropbox with at least a Windows client integration as well, Mac side improved with status badges, etc.

Apps could have defaulted to saving into some known location & structure in there for the 'easy' case, you could still browse/add/remove from the filesystem cleanly, as well as set up your own structure if you felt like it. Toss in better support for versioning (for a single end user it would almost NEVER be an issue, and for a team it would have been useful).

There's no 'we' in iCloud, that's for sure, at least not based on the keynote. Instead, iDisk is dead. Hmmm.
post #64 of 90
what if i want to use my itunes/mobileme account for itunes....AND and old itunes(non mobileme) account for itunes? i have apps purchased with the old, and the new. I'm guessing I'll probably have to use my mobileme account for everything, and then when I need to update apps, just sign out/in, then back out/in. Pain, but that's how it is now ...
post #65 of 90
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what if i want to use my itunes/mobileme account for itunes....AND and old itunes(non mobileme) account for itunes? i have apps purchased with the old, and the new. I'm guessing I'll probably have to use my mobileme account for everything, and then when I need to update apps, just sign out/in, then back out/in. Pain, but that's how it is now ...

I could have sworn the app store did this for me. For example, if I have two accounts and have app updates from both accounts, I'll get a popup asking for my first password, and then a second popup asking for the other. Maybe I was wrong though, I dont know.
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All indications are yes.

Thanks Robin!
post #67 of 90
I'm really going to miss iDisk and MobileMe in general. Like most people who stuck with it, it only got better and more stable with each upgrade. In fact, the current incarnation of MobileMe is an amazing feat of Web 2.0 magic...almost hard to believe it's HTML5/Ajax/Javascript. And in my opinion, far more attractive than Google's web applications.

My hope is that iCloud will eventually match or surpass iDisk as a cloud service, and elevate Apple to a leadership position in this new cloud thing by basically wrapping their new operating systems (Lion, iOS 5) around that cloud in a most seamless way. If they are going where I think they are going, then I won't miss iDisk, because I won't need it. I'll have my documents on my Mac and they'll also exist in the cloud. (Of course I don't know if that's how it will work. And will I want to sync the 800GB of HD video that I'm cutting on the Mac Pro with the 128GB available on the MacBook Air? Probably not.)

But that might be the true beauty of iCloud: deep OS integration. Whereas Google tries to wrap a thin browser shell around Google's web apps, and Microsoft tries to clumsily extend Windows into the cloud with Windows Live, Apple might move to the front of the future of personal computing with iCloud. Bold, risky move. But I'll give it a chance to succeed.

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post #68 of 90
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Originally Posted by stevetim View Post

iDisk gone. So how do we get large un-emailable non-apple files like powerpoint presentations into keynote for iPad/iPhone?

My understanding of Documents in the the Cloud is only apple files will use the feature. iPad for keynote currently can access ppt files on iDisk. I wonder how they will handle non-apple files now that you can't store data directly in the cloud view a cloud disk?

DropBox.
post #69 of 90
I like iCloud and agree to stop iDisk which did not work anyway as Dropbox e.g. does this way better, but I dont like they skip iWeb. This will force me to redo my website I have in iWeb now. I dont like this at all....I am pissed off by this!!! KEEP iWEB AND INNOVATE THIS !!!!
Moreover, good features like keychain sync are axed also. Why? Why cant iCloud sync keychains?
Wrong way Apple....
post #70 of 90
Please people, complain to Apple *LOUDLY*. iWeb, iDisk, Gallery all are like a good service I can use once I subscribe to iCloud.
post #71 of 90
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Originally Posted by jabohn View Post

I signed up with that link and never got an extra 250MB.

You have to install the Dropbox app on your computer, or mobile device. That's how Dropbox seamlessly syncs to your machine.
post #72 of 90
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Originally Posted by EmperorsNewClothes View Post

Get yourself a Dropbox account.

Hotlink a Dropbox hosted image here and I might.
post #73 of 90
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

DropBox.

As far as I know, DropBox requires the receiver of the file to either use the DropBox app, or use a web app interface to retrieve the file. You can't just send them a direct link to the file. This is useless for me. MobileMe was much better.

An MP3 file.
An image file.
A .zip file.
An MS Word file.
etc.

Can DropBox do this, or not? Where can I do this on the cheap, without serious bandwidth restrictions?

Actually, my suspicion is that there are legal problems for Apple offering iDisk services (hosting of copyright or otherwise illegal files), and they've just decided to cut the service entirely in order to avoid these problems.
post #74 of 90
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As far as I know, DropBox requires the receiver of the file to either use the DropBox app, or use a web app interface to retrieve the file. You can't just send them a direct link to the file. This is useless for me. MobileMe was much better.

The receiver of the file doesn't need to install Dropbox. It's just a link. The sender need to install Dropbpx though.
post #75 of 90
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

The receiver of the file doesn't need to install Dropbox. It's just a link. The sender need to install Dropbpx though.

Read what I said again. The receiver has to either install Dropbox or receive the file through a web app interface. Yes or no. If no, then please hotlink an image here to prove it.
post #76 of 90
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Originally Posted by EmperorsNewClothes View Post

Get yourself a Dropbox account.

I have one. I cannot open for example open keynote for iPad files on the iPad. I have to sync via iTunes. Keynot let's you open mobile me files and WebDAV accounts. dropbox is not WebDAV.
post #77 of 90
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Originally Posted by RobRoy View Post

Sadly I am one of those 15. Loved iWeb for ease of maintaining blog on own domain. Hmmm might be time to finally migrate to a "real" web site builder app...

I use iWeb with extra storage to maintain our website and podcasts which has worked like a charm and seamlessly when exporting from GarageBand. THIS SUCKS!
post #78 of 90
Add me to the list of people who will miss the Keychain syncing. I hope Apple monitors forums like this.
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Originally Posted by Grouty2 View Post

I hope Apple monitors forums like this.

I wouldn't depend on that. More importantly, in addition to AI and other forums, please make a statement directly to Apple if you want any possible resolution. If enough people do, you never know.

Try to keep it civil and educated. Tell them how important it is to you/your business. I did and it only took a few minutes. If Apple doesn't get an overwhelming amount of complaints they couldn't even reconsider it. It's up to you to make a difference.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/mobileme.html
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

... or receive the file through a web app interface...

Like I said, it's just a link. Just right click the link and save file, or open it and save. Who cares where you receive it through? You don't have to go to Dropbox website just to download the file someone sent to you, if that's what you meant.

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Yes or no. If no, then please hotlink an image here to prove it.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5437895/amelie%20f.jpg
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