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Apple on Friday released the second private beta of iOS 5.0 which enables wireless syncing of iOS devices to a new beta of iTunes 10.5.

Both pieces of software are available only to registered Apple developers. The new builds of iOS 5.0 were made available in nine separate distributions, each referenced as build 9A5248d, while the required iTunes beta is listed as iTunes 10.5 beta 2.

Also released Friday was Xcode 4.2 Developer Preview 2 (build 4C114 for Snow Leopard and 4D58 for Lion), which includes updates to both the iOS 5 and Lion software development kits, as well as a second beta of Apple TV 2.0 software for testing AirPlay functionality with apps.

Those developers looking to try out wireless syncing on a test device running iOS 5.0 beta 2 will be required to install iTunes 10.5 beta 2 on a Mac running either Mac OS X 10.6.8 or Mac OS X Lion.

Once developers install both pieces of software and connect their iOS device to a Mac running iTunes, they'll see an option to enable wireless syncing, though Apple currently recommends that developers perform their initial sync with a cable after restoring your device.



Also introduced in the WebKit distribution included with iOS 5.0 beta 2 is a new inherited CSS property dubbed WebKit Overflow Scrolling, which allows web developers to enable native-style scrolling in an overflow scroll element.

Aside from those changes, Apple reportedly told developers that a new version of iMessage included with iOS 5.0 beta 2 will not be able to communicate with iMessage on devices running the initial beta.

Update:BGR has posted a full change-log for the second iOS 5 beta release. Notable changes and known issues include:
When creating an iCloud account you can use any Apple ID provided it is a full email address and not a MobileMe account. If you have a MobileMe account, you can copy data from that account to an iCloud account to use during testing. You can find more information on iCloud at: http://developer.apple.com/icloud
Starting in iOS 5.0, video content in applications and websites are AirPlay-enabled by default.
When signing in with a Classic MobileMe account via iOS 5.0 Setup Assistant, it offers iCloud Backup.
As this is beta software it is recommended that you do not use the iCloud services to store any critical data or information. If you enable iCloud Backup, automatic backup with iTunes when syncing will be disabled. We suggest you also manually back up your device with iTunes.
In the iOS 5 beta, support for data protection in iCloud Backup is unavailable. Apps that have protected files will not have any of their data or metadata backed up as a result.
Starting in iOS 5.0, video content in applications and websites are AirPlay-enabled by default.
Apple TV Software beta enables users to mirror the contents of an iPad 2 to an Apple TV (2nd generation) using AirPlay. This beta software also enables Photo Stream on Apple TV so users can access photos stored in iCloud. Apple TV Software beta is being provided to test the latest AirPlay functionality with your iOS 5 apps and web sites. If you wish to install Apple TV Software beta on your device, you must first register your device UDID in the iOS Developer Program Portal.
FIXED: In an iMessage conversation, video/audio attachments cannot be viewed in the transcript on either side of the conversation.
NEW: Sending an MMS of large videos does not work.
Push and local notifications for apps appear in the new Notification Center in iOS 5.0. Notification Center displays notifications that are considered unread. In order to accommodate push and local notifications that have no unread status, developers can use their application badge count to trigger a clearing of notifications from Notification Center. When an application clears its badge count (by setting it to zero), iOS 5 will clear its notifications from Notification Center.
(WebKit) Touch events are now supported on input fields.
Wireless syncing is triggered automatically when the device is connected to power and on the same network as the paired computer. Or, you can manually trigger a sync from iTunes or from Settings -> General -> iTunes Sync (same network as paired computer required). Be sure your device is plugged into a power source when performing Wireless syncs.
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i'm glad that apple is FINALLY employing this. People can save money so they don't have to buy wires (i had to buy at least 3 or 4 of them because of wear and tear and they aren't cheap!!).
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i'm glad that apple is FINALLY employing this. People can save money so they don't have to buy wires (i had to buy at least 3 or 4 of them because of wear and tear and they aren't cheap!!).

Nice to see Apple finally trying to catch up with Google on environmental issues like this.
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btw the iPhone must be connected to a power source for wireless sync, so not wireless-wireless.
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btw the iPhone must be connected to a power source for wireless sync, so not wireless-wireless.

Joking??
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Originally Posted by akf2000 View Post

btw the iPhone must be connected to a power source for wireless sync, so not wireless-wireless.

Yes and no.
It will automatically sync when connected to a power source, but you can manually start the sync whenever it is not, unless that idea has been changed in this release (downloading b2 now, so not 100% sure).
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Yes and no.
It will automatically sync when connected to a power source, but you can manually start the sync whenever it is not, unless that idea has been changed in this release (downloading b2 now, so not 100% sure).

same here, I read that it needed to be connected but will find out in about 20 mins..
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Nice to see Apple finally trying to catch up with Google on environmental issues like this.

Thank goodness google is doing that. I thought I was doing it by myself.
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Originally Posted by akf2000 View Post

same here, I read that it needed to be connected but will find out in about 20 mins..

Reading the release notes, I was correct about what I said. It will automatically sync whenever plugged into a power source and you can manually start it whenever it is not.

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Wireless syncing is triggered automatically when the device is connected to power and on the same network as the paired computer. Or, you can manually trigger a sync from iTunes or from Settings -> General -> iTunes Sync (same network as paired computer required). Be sure your device is plugged into a power source when performing Wireless syncs.
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Reading the release notes, I was correct about what I said. It will automatically sync whenever plugged into a power source and you can manually start it whenever it is not.

So at night when I plug my phone in to charge on my night stand, it will sync automatically? Good!
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I'm curious how the manual wireless sync will work and how the untethered iPhone appears in itunes. And does this mean you'll be able to manually drag and drop music to it over wifi? Or only sync / backup? It would be nice if whenever on the same network the phone would simply appear in itunes as a connected device.
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Here's hoping Apple have sorted all of the iMessage bugs.
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i'm glad that apple is FINALLY employing this. People can save money so they don't have to buy wires (i had to buy at least 3 or 4 of them because of wear and tear and they aren't cheap!!).

So, what do you use to charge it then?

Seriously..
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Also introduced in the WebKit distribution included with iOS 5.0 beta 2 is a new inherited CSS property dubbed WebKit Overflow Scrolling, which allows web developers to enable native-style scrolling in an overflow scroll element.

Anyone else excited about this?!? I was wondering when they were going to implement something versus the very unintuitive method of two-finger scrolling.

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...versus the very unintuitive method of two-finger scrolling.

You haven't used a Mac laptop since 2005, have you?
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I currently have my MBP connect to my AirPort Extreme via the 5GHz band and my iPhone 4 via the 2.4 GHz band, can iTunes sync work across those two networks or does my MBP need to be connected via 2.4? I use the 5 GHz band because no one in my apartment building uses any computer in that range and I don't want to have them siphoning off my connection. I can't use AirPlay through my AirPort unless it's plugged into an ethernet port and the wifi is off. Will I have to change bands on my MBP or can I plug it into it with a LAN cable and sync that way?

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So, what do you use to charge it then?

I have three cords too. One for my MBP, one for my bedroom and one for the car (since unused after installing a charger and connector to my head unit). It's easy to have multiple cords and wireless syncing can mitigate the need for more cords.
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You haven't used a Mac laptop since 2005, have you?

MacBook trackpad (Ã* la cursor) interactions are a lot different than iOS touch-based interactions; in iOS you don't expect the need to use two fingers to scroll.
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A MacBook trackpad (cursor) interactions are a lot different than iOS touch-based interactions; in iOS you don't expect the need to use two fingers to scroll.

But it makes a lot of sense inside a scrollable frame on an also-scrollable page.
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For some reason, I can sync my iPad without it being plugged into a power source. And no, I'm not complaining.
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But it makes a lot of sense inside a scrollable frame on an also-scrollable page.

Really?
To me I feel like it's something I would just be like "oh, scrolling frames on an also scrollable page doesn't work." In fact, I think that I've always thought it never worked, I didn't realize until now you needed to use two fingers. It just isn't obvious because there is no interaction (besides that) in iOS that requires a user to use two fingers to scroll or move content.
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But it makes a lot of sense inside a scrollable frame on an also-scrollable page.

The whole point is that right now there is nothing inside that div that reflects that it should scroll. Unlike on my desktop machine which has scrollbars. Honestly, I should have been more clear about that when I originally posted. My whole grievance with the current method is that there is nothing there that shows that it can scroll. Two-finger scrolling isn't that big of a deal, it is trying to explain to someone for the umpteenth time that there comments didn't disappear, and that they can be seen by scrolling in the box.

It is about usability.

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btw the iPhone must be connected to a power source for wireless sync, so not wireless-wireless.

That's not true. I can sync without a power source connection. My MB Pro uses 802.11n and of course the iPhone is limited to 802.11g. They even have different network names and it works fine. I use an AEBS. Not the one that came out last week, the previous one.
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That's not true. I can sync without a power source connection. My MB Pro uses 802.11n and of course the iPhone is limited to 802.11g. They even have different network names and it works fine. I use an AEBS. Not the one that came out last week, the previous one.

What? The iphone 4 is 802.11n.....
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What? The iphone 4 is 802.11n.....

Maybe he has a 3GS or something cause the 4 is definitely "N" capable.
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I'm curious how the manual wireless sync will work and how the untethered iPhone appears in itunes. And does this mean you'll be able to manually drag and drop music to it over wifi? Or only sync / backup? It would be nice if whenever on the same network the phone would simply appear in itunes as a connected device.

That's exactly how it works. When on the same network, your iOS device shows up in iTunes. You can drag and drop or make whatever changes you like and hit sync.... As long as you're on the same network, your device will start syncing. And contrary to popular belief, your phone doesn't have to be connected to a power source.

I just walked over to my computer, added a few games and music, hit sync and never had to bother my phone in the other room. Sweet!
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The whole point is that right now there is nothing inside that div that reflects that it should scroll. Unlike on my desktop machine which has scrollbars. Honestly, I should have been more clear about that when I originally posted. My whole grievance with the current method is that there is nothing there that shows that it can scroll. Two-finger scrolling isn't that big of a deal, it is trying to explain to someone for the umpteenth time that there comments didn't disappear, and that they can be seen by scrolling in the box.

It is about usability.

woah! could u give me an example site to visit... i feel like i'm the perfect example of someone who should have known this, but doesn't cuz it is NOT intuitive in an iOS setting... iOS =/= OSX
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they've fixed the bluetooth track display, works perfectly now.
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woah! could u give me an example site to visit... i feel like i'm the perfect example of someone who should have known this, but doesn't cuz it is NOT intuitive in an iOS setting... iOS =/= OSX

http://training.apple.com/#certification

It has a frame within a frame. If you're on an iOS device, it will pop up once the page loads and tell you what to do.
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Too lazy to read the thread so my apologies if it's already been answered... does iTunes need to be running for this wireless sync to work or does your Mac or Windows PC maintain a process for listening to and conducting the sync when a device on the LAN manually requests it or is done automatically whilst charging?
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Too lazy to read the thread so my apologies if it's already been answered... does iTunes need to be running for this wireless sync to work or does your Mac or Windows PC maintain a process for listening to and conducting the sync when a device on the LAN manually requests it or is done automatically whilst charging?

Once I finish this large USB sync, I'll try out a smaller wireless one to see.

My guess? It absolutely has to be open. Heck, the Apple TV demands it.
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Once I finish this large USB sync, I'll try out a smaller wireless one to see.

My guess? It absolutely has to be open. Heck, the Apple TV demands it.

Yeah, I don't see any other way to do it.

Looking at the iTunes 10.5b2 installation files the AirTrafficHost.framework might be new.
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i'm glad that apple is FINALLY employing this. People can save money so they don't have to buy wires (i had to buy at least 3 or 4 of them because of wear and tear and they aren't cheap!!).

Hmmm.....if you had no wire how do you recharge the phone?

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Nice to see Apple finally trying to catch up with Google on environmental issues like this.

What does this have to do with the environment? You need a wire regardless of how you sync the phone.
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I can see this logic if the cord is "only" being used to sync. You would still have to either carry a spare cord with you or have multiple cords for recharging. So I still don't see how you get around that one.

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Hey asshole, I have three cords too. One for my MBP, one for my bedroom and one for the car (since unused after installing a charger and connector to my head unit). It's easy to have multiple cords and wireless syncing can mitigate the need for more cords. Fuckwit. The pretentious assholes on here, sheeesh.
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Once I finish this large USB sync, I'll try out a smaller wireless one to see.

My guess? It absolutely has to be open. Heck, the Apple TV demands it.

So is that what the iTunesHelper process in my login items does? I've always wondered.
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So is that what the iTunesHelper process in my login items does? I've always wondered.

That's for when you connect iDevices. I think I noticed a new process in my Activity Monitor today. Something about mobilewirelesssync or something of that sort.
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So is that what the iTunesHelper process in my login items does? I've always wondered.

iTunesHelper is actually GONE in 10.5 beta 2. I use a custom icon for iTunes and have since... oh... at least since the pair of eighth notes was GREEN, even. I have to replace it for every update, and I keep two identical ones (iTunes.icns and iTunesHelper.icns) for convenience in doing that. When I went to replace the icons this time, iTunesHelper (it's its own application INSIDE iTunes itself, so it gets its own icon) wasn't even in the iTunes bundle.

I just looked in my Login Items and iTunesHelper was listed, but with no icon and a warning triangle, meaning it's definitely gone for good and that was just a placeholder from the login's .plist. GOOD. I never liked iTunesHelper, anyway.
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Sorry for the double post, but I was lookingout of idle curiosityat the list of iTunes visualizers, and I see that in 10.5 they've removed Lathe, Jelly, and Stix. All that remain are the original iTunes visualizer and the new one they added in iTunes 9 (it was nine, right?) that is based off of the (originally) add-on visualizer called Magnetosphere.

Makes a lot of sense. Stix was just embarrassing, Lathe was weird and only "looked good" on stuff with ghetto beats, and Jelly... well, was okay.
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But it makes a lot of sense inside a scrollable frame on an also-scrollable page.

It makes some sense, but I wasn't aware of it until someone told me. iOS is largely a one finger scroll environment for just about everything everywhere, I never thought to use two for say, scrolling in a comment field. And yes, I do have a two finger scroll MBP, but that's still a different context.

Given how scrolling works on an MBP, touching a scrollable object in a scrollable page should mean that you scroll within the sub object. Touch outside that sub object, then you scroll the bigger page. I think that makes more sense.
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It makes some sense, but I wasn't aware of it until someone told me. iOS is largely a one finger scroll environment for just about everything everywhere, I never thought to use two for say, scrolling in a comment field. And yes, I do have a two finger scroll MBP, but that's still a different context.

I don't know when that was feature added or if it was there since version 1.0 but I think it was only last year I "discovered" that was possible. Before I accidentally happened upon it I was putting my finger at the bottom of the comment field and letting it slowly skip if I were to say reply to AI.
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Looks like if you enable iTunes WiFi sync then WiFi remains on all the time. I've used the airport extreme "Wireless Clients" screen to confirm this. Turn off WiFi sync and when the phone goes to standby it drops the WiFi connection.
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Looks like if you enable iTunes WiFi sync then WiFi remains on all the time. I've used the airport extreme "Wireless Clients" screen to confirm this. Turn off WiFi sync and when the phone goes to standby it drops the WiFi connection.

iTunes 10.5b2 also needs to be running for WiFi sync to work, at least in manual mode. I had hoped they had a background process run this independently of the app proper.

In Apple's defense, they are trying to get uses to never turn off an app by mirroring iOS apps and even removing the dots from active apps in the Dock as the default setting.
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