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According to one of Facebook's early employees, founder Mark Zuckerberg admired Apple CEO Steve Jobs and modeled his early management style after Jobs' "aggressive" style.

Former Facebook designer Bryan Veloso described Zuckerberg's respect for Jobs while explaining the origin of his notorious "I'm CEO, bitch" business cards. "It's no secret that [Zuckerberg] looked up to Steve Jobs at the time," Veloso wrote of the early days of Facebook.

"When Aaron Sittig and I were the only designers in late 2005, he would hold his design meetings with us in that classic "aggressive" Steve Jobs-style," he continued. "It was during one of those meetings where I remember him first uttering the phrase, "I'm CEO, bitch""

When designing Zuckerberg's business card, Veloso "felt comfortable" having fun with the tagline and added the quote. "Quite simply, it was a phrase I typed in that stuck," he said. According to Veloso, the cards represented the company culture at the time, but were eventually replaced as the company grew.

Zuckerberg's quick rise to success and idiosyncratic style have drawn comparisons to Jobs. Last December, Zuckerberg beat out Jobs for the honor of Time magazine's annual "Person of the Year" title. Jobs was instead listed as one of the magazine's "People Who Mattered."



The Facebook founder also topped Jobs on Forbes magazine's list of the wealthiest Americans last year. Zuckerberg came in 35th place with an estimated net worth of $6.9 billion, while Jobs placed 42nd with a net worth of $6.1 billion.

Last fall, Jobs hosted Zuckerberg at his house to discuss Apple's Ping social music service.

Recent rumors have suggested that Facebook is looking to work around Apple's App Store with a secretive HTML5 project in order to maintain control over its platform. However, Apple is reportedly aware of the project and is believed to have lent some "minor support" to it.
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Contrary to popular opinion, I happen to think that the "Social Network" movie was pretty boring and extremely overrated. I didn't find anybody to be likeable in that movie and I was secretly wishing that it turned into a disaster flick from the 70's and that everybody ended up dying a horrible death so that it would be done quicker. That would at least have made it more exciting. I don't see what's so great or innovative about Facebook, and I wouldn't compare the kid from Facebook to Steve Jobs. Facebook is one thing only, it's a social networking site, big deal. Apple and Steve Jobs have innovated in so many more ways. Some kid walking around muttering "I'm CEO bitch" doesn't sound like a good emulation of Steve Jobs.
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I don't see what's so great or innovative about Facebook, and I wouldn't compare the kid from Facebook to Steve Jobs. Facebook is one thing only, it's a social networking site, big deal. Apple and Steve Jobs have innovated in so many more ways. Some kid walking around muttering "I'm CEO bitch" doesn't sound like a good emulation of Steve Jobs.

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I don't see what's so great or innovative about Apple, and I wouldn't compare the kids from Apple to Henry Ford. Apple is one thing only, it's an expensive typewriter, big deal. Ford Motor Company have innovated in so many more ways. Some kids walking around muttering ""Byte into an Apple" doesn't sound like a good emulation of Henry Ford.


PS: I'm not a Facebook user but I can still see how social networking has a very real effect on facilitating communication and by extension shaping culture.

PPS: I find it interesting that the most anti-social people in this world seem most responsible for shaping our social habits.
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This is what I would think you'd have said circa 1976

I definitely wouldn't have said that. I hadn't touched an Apple computer yet in 1976, but by 1980-81 I had, and I quickly knew what the deal was.

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PS: I'm not a Facebook user but I can still see how social networking has a very real effect on facilitating communication and by extension shaping culture.

PPS: I find it interesting that the most anti-social people in this world seem most responsible for shaping our social habits.

I don't deny that Facebook is huge and has a gazillion members. Who was their main competitor before they became big? MySpace? They were lucky with that because MySpace was disgusting looking and their design and layout was pukeworthy.

Like you, I'm not a Facebook member either, so I'm probably biased here. I just don't like broadcasting my private details and putting it on the net for all to see. And besides, I have too many enemies, and I'd rather that they didn't know what I was up to either.
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Steve Jobs has influenced more people over the years than we can imagine. Jobs owns Silicon Valley and has since day one. I look forward to reading his authorized biography when it is published.
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Mark Zuckerberg wishes he had one-tenth of the innovation, charisma and talent that Steve Jobs has in his left pinky.

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This is what I would think you'd have said circa 1976


PS: I'm not a Facebook user but I can still see how social networking has a very real effect on facilitating communication and by extension shaping culture.

PPS: I find it interesting that the most anti-social people in this world seem most responsible for shaping our social habits.

I'm getting tired of this "it's about communication" and "it's influencing culture" argument. Social networking isn't about communication, it's about advertising. Saying social networking is a cultural revelation makes it sound altruistic, when it's really about selling crap.
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According to one of Facebook's early employees, founder Mark Zuckerberg admired Apple CEO Steve Jobs and modeled his early management style after Jobs' "aggressive" style.

Former Facebook designer Bryan Veloso described Zuckerberg's respect for Jobs while explaining the origin of his notorious "I'm CEO, bitch" business cards. "It's no secret that [Zuckerberg] looked up to Steve Jobs at the time," Veloso wrote of the early days of Facebook.

"When Aaron Sittig and I were the only designers in late 2005, he would hold his design meetings with us in that classic "aggressive" Steve Jobs-style," he continued. "It was during one of those meetings where I remember him first uttering the phrase, "I'm CEO, bitch""

When designing Zuckerberg's business card, Veloso "felt comfortable" having fun with the tagline and added the quote. "Quite simply, it was a phrase I typed in that stuck," he said. According to Veloso, the cards represented the company culture at the time, but were eventually replaced as the company grew.

Zuckerberg's quick rise to success and idiosyncratic style have drawn comparisons to Jobs. Last December, Zuckerberg beat out Jobs for the honor of Time magazine's annual "Person of the Year" title. Jobs was instead listed as one of the magazine's "People Who Mattered."



The Facebook founder also topped Jobs on Forbes magazine's list of the wealthiest Americans last year. Zuckerberg came in 35th place with an estimated net worth of $6.9 billion, while Jobs placed 42nd with a net worth of $6.1 billion.

Last fall, Jobs hosted Zuckerberg at his house to discuss Apple's Ping social music service.

Recent rumors have suggested that Facebook is looking to work around Apple's App Store with a secretive HTML5 project in order to maintain control over its platform. However, Apple is reportedly aware of the project and is believed to have lent some "minor support" to it.

If Jobs was all about the money I don't think he would only take a $1 a year as his salary, so I don't think he is too concerned about his Forbes ranking either.
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I don't see what's so great or innovative about Facebook, and I wouldn't compare the kid from Facebook to Steve Jobs. Facebook is one thing only, it's a social networking site, big deal. Apple and Steve Jobs have innovated in so many more ways.

Way to jump on the "I hate Facebook" bandwagon.

Zuckerberg said he based his management style on Steve Jobs... not his company.

You're right... Apple is a hardware company and Facebook is a website.... but that's not what this article is about.
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Someone else copying Apple? Whaaaa... no way!
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Zuckerberg said he based his management style on Steve Jobs... not his company.

I saw this coming. If it's so great that Steve behaves the way he does, then why shouldn't everyone behave the same way? After all, shouldn't everyone aspire to greatness? So let's have every manager and CEO start behaving like Steve Jobs and Dr. House.
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then why shouldn't everyone behave the same way? After all, shouldn't everyone aspire to greatness?

I dunno.... not everyone can be sweet and cuddly... or rule with an iron fist... or any of the other management styles.

Zuck liked Jobs' style... maybe it worked best for him.
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this guy is a fucking moron, he 'd wished he 'd take after Steve, but...lol...everyone who knows anything, knows enough not to compare this spoilt narrow minded shit with Steve.

Lol, Steve compared to Zuckerberg, it;s like comparing Jesus to some, well, unimportant shit.

Every interview with Steve, shows a visionary, a guy inspiring other people, but Zuckerberg.... is someone almost all people who know what's going on wouldn't hire him to empty a trash bin, every interview of his, shows a colossal moron. And when I say colossal, I mean COLOSSAL. No art, no flair, no brains, no panache, no nothing.
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I'm getting tired of this "it's about communication" and "it's influencing culture" argument. Social networking isn't about communication, it's about advertising. Saying social networking is a cultural revelation makes it sound altruistic, when it's really about selling crap.

exactly, i am so glad i read your post, that's why i like ai, unlike other places most people here think beyond the trite hype. bravo brother.
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Way to jump on the "I hate Facebook" bandwagon.

Zuckerberg said he based his management style on Steve Jobs... not his company.

You're right... Apple is a hardware company and Facebook is a website.... but that's not what this article is about.

yeah so wtf is your argument? cause I got some vapid shit out of what you said, absolutely vapid. Spare us the bullshit...just cause this guy says he based his style off of Steve, so what? Should we take this word for it, hahahaha, I based my style off of Einstein, and just cause I said so you got to believe me...grow a brain, you facebook kids are a big embarrassment.
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If Jobs was all about the money I don't think he would only take a $1 a year as his salary, so I don't think he is too concerned about his Forbes ranking either.

Just chiming in here.. When Steve Jobs asked for $1 salary, he was at a position where money doesn't really matter for him, and so is now.

If, just if you're being offered for a position like Jobs with that kinda salary, will you take it?
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The question is not about current imaginary market worth, it's about staying power. In 10 years, will FaceBook still be as important? Will Apple matter in 10 years either?
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I'm getting tired of this "it's about communication" and "it's influencing culture" argument. Social networking isn't about communication, it's about advertising. Saying social networking is a cultural revelation makes it sound altruistic, when it's really about selling crap.

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I would agree. All those things, is just one of the medium. It will get replaced but the end product will still be the same; crap and d'oh!


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If Jobs was all about the money I don't think he would only take a $1 a year as his salary, so I don't think he is too concerned about his Forbes ranking either.

Maybe not. But ranking, might be in secret. Who knows? The $1 salary does not matter when you already have stock options not mentioning he was already on Pixar and NeXT.
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yeah so wtf is your argument? cause I got some vapid shit out of what you said, absolutely vapid. Spare us the bullshit...just cause this guy says he based his style off of Steve, so what? Should we take this word for it, hahahaha, I based my style off of Einstein, and just cause I said so you got to believe me...grow a brain, you facebook kids are a big embarrassment.

If you look... I was replying to someone who basically said "Facebook is just a website... Apple is more innovative."

That's not what this article is about at all... it's about management style.

But you just replied with "so what?" to the entire topic... so maybe this article shouldn't have been written at all.
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this guy is a fucking moron, he 'd wished he 'd take after Steve, but...lol...everyone who knows anything, knows enough not to compare this spoilt narrow minded shit with Steve.

Lol, Steve compared to Zuckerberg, it;s like comparing Jesus to some, well, unimportant shit.

Every interview with Steve, shows a visionary, a guy inspiring other people, but Zuckerberg.... is someone almost all people who know what's going on wouldn't hire him to empty a trash bin, every interview of his, shows a colossal moron. And when I say colossal, I mean COLOSSAL. No art, no flair, no brains, no panache, no nothing.

I agree with that. I'm not sure where the evaluations come from either. How can Zuckerberg be valued at $6.9b and Jobs at $6.1b when Facebook made $1.8b in 2010 vs Apple making $3.5b profit per quarter in 2010 and currently $6b. I guess it's personal accumulated wealth but if you run a company generating $25b a year vs one generating $2b a year, I'd say you're worth more, especially if you don't just make money from advertising other people's products.

It's also tiring to see so many people try to mimic Steve Jobs. By all means follow an example but people take it too far. It's clear to see why because they might end up with product launches like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqjoRMHyYQc

but still, individuality is everything when it comes to becoming an icon instead of an iCon.
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A fundamental difference between Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg is, Jobs doesn't have a "management style". He is the way he is because he can't be any other way, for better or worse. Zuckerberg, on the other hand, is a punk-ass kid who scores a -3 on the 0-10 social graces scale. Facebook is successful because Zuckerberg understood how to make datapoints connect to each other. And people and their interests are datapoints. And once he and his friends figured this out, they also realized that they could make TONS of money off of this. But their vision does not go any further than that. Sure Steve is tough and aggressive, but that's because he cares deeply about his way of doing things, but he is also a visionary who wanted to do something "insanely great". Steve wanted to change the worldmaking money in the process was a bonus. Zuckerberg is no visionary. He's a computer genius for sure, but no visionary.

Putting "I'm CEO, bitch!" on your business card is funny in a tongue-in-cheek sorta way, but ultimately it shows a fundamental lack of maturity and won't earn you a lot of respect. It's even worse if that's the way he carries himself in his day-to-day business. And it explains a lot about why Facebook is the way it ishow it has no respect for users' privacy or security. On the contrary, it uses users, precisely for their value as targets for advertising. Its architecture is designed in such a way that users gladly reveal all sorts of information about themselves, so that advertisers know how to target them as potential sources of revenue. Genius, but also slimy.
There's another fundamental difference between Facebook and Apple: Nobody loves Facebook. Which is to say, most of its 500,000,000 users perhaps love that Facebook gives them a nice environment in which to connect with friends and family both close and far away. But I can't imagine that anybody loves the Facebook brand. In contrast, Steve, with his vision and charisma has managed to create a "cult" of Apple userspeople who react to the Apple brand on an emotional level (I include myself in this "cult"). It's not unusual to hear someone say "I love my Mac!" It's highly unlikely that you'll hear anyone say "I love my [insert Wintel brand-name here]!" I'm not as fanatic as some, I'm sure, but I've been a Mac-only guy since the original 128k Macactually even before then, I thought Apple IIe's were pretty special.

I am also a Facebook user, though a cautious one. Even though I have my privacy settings set to maximum, I harbor no illusions that anything I post or connect to is actually private. So, I'm careful what I post and with whom I connect.

I'm a loyal and happy Mac user and likely always will be. But I'm only on Facebook until a better alternative comes along.

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Sorry, Mark; We aren't gonna like you just because of that. You must try harder.
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Just chiming in here.. When Steve Jobs asked for $1 salary, he was at a position where money doesn't really matter for him, and so is now.

If, just if you're being offered for a position like Jobs with that kinda salary, will you take it?

Yes I would and I'm not in a position really. There are more important things than money or power. To work with incredible people to create tools of change that remove barriers in usability, creativity and communication.. Well, i would do it for no money.

I already do so in my small business. There was a time when it was about me and my income, I grew out of that. I build business now for itself and turn the surplus back in to provide more growth and opportunity to others through that growth.

In fact I ask people going for a job if they would do it for no money. Quite frankly if they are there for the money, then no amount of money will feel adequate. They have to be in a role because it is them, it is the role, the task that they love. (this is not to say that I wouldn't pay them, the starving homeless cannot focus on their work)

I also don't feel that pretending to behave like someone i had never met and didn't understand the nuance of would be really poor form. I don't know steve jobs but I do know that his full success was not found in his youth and sudden attainment of a few wins but tempered after some rather trying times and hard yards.

I'd say contrary to popular opinion, jobs isn't into it for his own increasing greatness which is totally useless and inevitably short lived but for Apple itself, to draw out the capability of the staff and to build an enduring engine to support them by doing so. The result, something he enjoys using, perhaps nothing more.
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Since Zuckergerg never worked at Apple, and didn't know Jobs when he started Facebook, it's unlikely he modeled his management style after Steve Jobs. He may have modeled it after some idea he had about what Steve Jobs' management style is or was, but that's not really the same thing: in that instance, he's modeling his management style after himself and just telling himself it's based on Steve Jobs' style to lend it some cred.
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I saw this coming. If it's so great that Steve behaves the way he does, then why shouldn't everyone behave the same way? After all, shouldn't everyone aspire to greatness? So let's have every manager and CEO start behaving like Steve Jobs and Dr. House.

There have always been people who think that to be boss means to be an a$$. Of course, if that's his takeaway of how to emulate Steve Jobs does, he really missed the point entirely anyway.

Jobs pushes a vision of what he thinks are elegant products and where he sees the industry going. As far as I can tell, Zuckerberg is an a-hole working out how to sell more of people's data every day who had a business card with "Suck it, bitch" (ooops, sorry, that was another techie...).
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A fundamental difference between Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg is, Jobs doesn't have a "management style". He is the way he is because he can't be any other way, for better or worse. Zuckerberg, on the other hand, is a punk-ass kid who scores a -3 on the 0-10 social graces scale.

Interesting point that you bring up about Jobs. More than one person has questioned whether Jobs seemingly overbearing 'style' could actually be the result of his being genuinely OCD. When I hear stories about him doing things like buying a quarry cause he insists that every store have tiles made of exactly the same tiles, getting all the stools and those funny ball seats for the kids from the same company, sending back hand railings 3 days before a store opening because they were rubbed long ways and not in circles etc, I really wonder if it is true to some degree.

At the same time, while I thought that the whole Social Network movie was rather boring, it did bring up one interesting notion. Movie Zuckerberg at times seemed like he totally wasn't getting it on a social level. Like his brain wasn't connecting to the idea that his behavior had or could upset someone. This is not unlike a friend of mine whose little brother has Aspergers. Kyle also tends to not get things, especially sarcasm etc. David calls him a 'social monotone'. Movie Zuck seemed like that as well. And I can't help wondering if that was one of the details they got right in the movie. Perhaps the real Zuckerberg really does lack social 'graces' because they weren't wired in his brain.

At least I hope so because otherwise he's a jerk who has for a great deal misinterpreted a lot of how Jobs does things and make his 'idol' out to be a real asshat to everyone. And I'm not sure that's a fair view of Jobs.He's focused, he is demanding and he expects 200% effort 200% of the time or he will call you out on it (the disaster of launching Mobile Me the same day as a new iOS and new iphone hardware is a prime example) but I don't know that anyone that has worked with him would think him an ass. But many who have worked with Zuckerberg would say that first off about him.
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I'm pretty sure Zuckerberg didn't model anything after anyone. See, those folks that are as successful and influential rarely imitate anybody, and -- whatever they claim -- they rarely have any idols. Whether they state it or not, all great men believe they're bigger than Jesus (with Jesus being a likely exception). Modesty is a virtue, but most often it's the only virtue one has.

The resemblance in style comes from being irreverent and cocky -- a prerequisite for success, albeit not the only one. However similar the behavior may be, it is neither imitation nor modeling, it simply comes from having well-functioning gonads. Only a bunch of tossers like some on this forum would think that looking up to someone and trying to imitate them will lead to anything but a well deserved oblivion, if not derision.

Having said that, I believe that all Facebook users are tools, simply because whatever value they receive from the company, they pay back with creating a much higher for the company's owners...
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Mark Zoidberg should have been named Time Magazine's Bitch of the Year.

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Mark Zoidberg should have been named Time Magazine's Bitch of the Year.

Jealous much?
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Since Zuckergerg never worked at Apple, and didn't know Jobs when he started Facebook, it's unlikely he modeled his management style after Steve Jobs. He may have modeled it after some idea he had about what Steve Jobs' management style is or was, but that's not really the same thing: in that instance, he's modeling his management style after himself and just telling himself it's based on Steve Jobs' style to lend it some cred.

If you believe that f'ing movie, he modeled his management style after Justin Timberlake.

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Interesting point that you bring up about Jobs. More than one person has questioned whether Jobs seemingly overbearing 'style' could actually be the result of his being genuinely OCD. When I hear stories about him doing things like buying a quarry cause he insists that every store have tiles made of exactly the same tiles, getting all the stools and those funny ball seats for the kids from the same company, sending back hand railings 3 days before a store opening because they were rubbed long ways and not in circles etc, I really wonder if it is true to some degree.

At the same time, while I thought that the whole Social Network movie was rather boring, it did bring up one interesting notion. Movie Zuckerberg at times seemed like he totally wasn't getting it on a social level. Like his brain wasn't connecting to the idea that his behavior had or could upset someone. This is not unlike a friend of mine whose little brother has Aspergers. Kyle also tends to not get things, especially sarcasm etc. David calls him a 'social monotone'. Movie Zuck seemed like that as well. And I can't help wondering if that was one of the details they got right in the movie. Perhaps the real Zuckerberg really does lack social 'graces' because they weren't wired in his brain.

At least I hope so because otherwise he's a jerk who has for a great deal misinterpreted a lot of how Jobs does things and make his 'idol' out to be a real asshat to everyone. And I'm not sure that's a fair view of Jobs.He's focused, he is demanding and he expects 200% effort 200% of the time or he will call you out on it (the disaster of launching Mobile Me the same day as a new iOS and new iphone hardware is a prime example) but I don't know that anyone that has worked with him would think him an ass. But many who have worked with Zuckerberg would say that first off about him.

Your comment about OCD reminds me of The Aviator. Of course, if Steve Jobs has it, it's a relatively minor caseespecially when compared with Howard Hughes. But there are other similaritieshighly driven men who basically see the world from their perspective and no one else's. Both took/have taken tremendous risks but also worked their way to the top of their game. But Hughes' OCD crippled him and eventually brought him down. I don't think that will happen with Steve though. But it may drive some of his employees to madness...
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If you believe that f'ing movie, he modeled his management style after Justin Timberlake.

I haven't seen the movie (because, really, do I want to?), but I know what you mean.
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I'm pretty sure Zuckerberg didn't model anything after anyone. See, those folks that are as successful and influential rarely imitate anybody, and -- whatever they claim -- they rarely have any idols. Whether they state it or not, all great men believe they're bigger than Jesus (with Jesus being a likely exception). Modesty is a virtue, but most often it's the only virtue one has.

The resemblance in style comes from being irreverent and cocky -- a prerequisite for success, albeit not the only one. However similar the behavior may be, it is neither imitation nor modeling, it simply comes from having well-functioning gonads. Only a bunch of tossers like some on this forum would think that looking up to someone and trying to imitate them will lead to anything but a well deserved oblivion, if not derision.

Having said that, I believe that all Facebook users are tools, simply because whatever value they receive from the company, they pay back with creating a much higher for the company's owners...

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Jealous much?

I'm starting to think that Zuckerberg is your idol. ZING!! Or. Wait. Maybe you are Zuckerberg!!
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Your comment about OCD reminds me of The Aviator. Of course, if Steve Jobs has it, it's a relatively minor case—especially when compared with Howard Hughes. But there are other similarities—highly driven men who basically see the world from their perspective and no one else's. Both took/have taken tremendous risks but also worked their way to the top of their game. But Hughes' OCD crippled him and eventually brought him down. I don't think that will happen with Steve though. But it may drive some of his employees to madness...

1) I've read that Hughes may have suffered from syphilis which could affect his thinking if it was present in the brain.

2) I contend that one of the best things to happen to Jobs was his ousting from Apple so he could learn some humility. If all you know in life is success then you haven't succeeded in knowing life.

3) I wonder if obsessiveness is the human trait that makes for greatness, most of which only seems to be observed post mortem. I like to use Joseph von Fraunhofer as a prime example of such obsession.
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I'm pretty sure Zuckerberg didn't model anything after anyone. See, those folks that are as successful and influential rarely imitate anybody, and -- whatever they claim -- they rarely have any idols. Whether they state it or not, all great men believe they're bigger than Jesus (with Jesus being a likely exception). Modesty is a virtue, but most often it's the only virtue one has.

True... they may believe themselves to be bigger than Jesus (if he actually existed... I haven't read his autobiography)... but reading almost any autobiography will tell you that most, if not all, successful and influential people had a role model (or two...).
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I'm starting to think that Zuckerberg is your idol. ZING!! Or. Wait. Maybe you are Zuckerberg!!

Hehe. I wish I had his success/money, but I don't wanna be him. I'm smarter, more handsome, and a much better person overall (and I don't need to know him personally to be certain of that). I just have had other priorities in life than making a pile of money out of people's stupidity. Maybe I shouldn't have -- only time will tell...
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

True... they may believe themselves to be bigger than Jesus (if he actually existed... I haven't read his autobiography)... but reading almost any autobiography will tell you that most, if not all, successful and influential people had a role model (or two...).

Bollocks. People write autobiographies later in life, when they depend more on others' appreciation. That's why they make up stories about role models...
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2) I contend that one of the best things to happen to Jobs was his ousting from Apple so he could learn some humility.

I think you're absolutely right. Though I would add that in addition to learning humility, he also ended up taking some time to travel and see the world; broaden his horizons. His NeXT venture could be considered a "successful failure"he ultimately had to close the company, but the OS technology developed there eventually became the core of OS X. If he had stayed at Apple the whole time, I think it's highly unlikely he would have made Apple what it is today. I don't think he would have had the vision to expand into other markets/technologies.
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Bollocks. People write autobiographies later in life, when they depend more on others' appreciation. That's why they make up stories about role models...

... and you know this how?
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