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Hewlett Packard's entry into the tablet market has drawn praise for its external beauty and criticism as reviewers dug beneath the surface, with one journalist calling the device a "mediocre tablet."

The TouchPad, which arrives Friday, features a 9.7-inch touchscreen with a 1,024 x 768 pixel display and a Qualcomm Snapdragon dual-core 1.2GHz processor. The device is Wi-Fi only for now with 16GB and 32GB models that sell for $499 and $599 respectively.

A 3G version of the device is scheduled to arrive on AT&T later this summer. HP announced the Touchpad in February as the beginning of a "new era" of WebOS.

HP's WebOS has been much-anticipated for its potential to break up Apple's lock on the tablet market. The world's largest PC maker acquired the mobile operating system when it bought Palm last year for $1.2 billion, promising to "double down" on WebOS.

However, early reviewers see the TouchPad as arriving late to the tablet party. In general, they were enthusiastic about the device's impressive looks, but took issue with the weight, bugs and lack of applications.



The Wall Street Journal

After testing the device for about a week, Walt Mossberg described the TouchPad as "simply no match for the iPad." He praised the tablet's user interface as "attractive and different," but noted that the UI didn't make up for "poor battery life, a paucity of apps and other deficits."

Mossberg found the device's hardware to be "bulbous and heavy" compared to the iPad 2 and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. He also criticized HP for leaving out key features such as a rear camera or a camera app for taking videos and still pictures. The Touchpad has a 1.3 megapixel front-facing camera that can be used only for video chats.

Using his standard video test, Mossberg found the device's battery to last only 60 percent as long as Apple's latest tablet. With the screen brightness set to 75 percent, the TouchPad played videos non-stop for 6 hours and 5 minutes, compared to 10 hours and 9 minutes for the iPad 2.

The review also took issue with the just 300 tablet-optimized apps for the TouchPad. Though the tablet can run roughly 70 percent of the 6,200 total webOS apps, it runs them "in a small, phone-size window that can't be expanded."

Noticeably missing were apps for streaming TV shows or movies and editing documents, as well as stores for directly downloading TV shows, movies and music. HP has promised a music store at launch and a video download store "shortly" after launch.

"I also ran into plenty of bugs in my tests, even though H-P said I was testing a production unit," Mossberg wrote. He had trouble with the email app, photos app and the "Angry Birds" game. He also found that he had to reboot the device periodically to keep it from getting too sluggish. HP acknowledged the problems and said an over-the-air update fixing the bugs would arrive in three to six weeks.

The TouchPad's ability to run Adobe Flash sets it apart from the iPad, but Mossberg found Flash performance on the device uneven. "Most Flash videos played fine, but some froze or stuttered badly, even on a fast Internet connection. A site written entirely in Flash wouldnt even load, he wrote."

Despite the range of issues, the reviewer found the device a "joy to use," while concluding that, "at least for now, [he] cant recommend the TouchPad over the iPad 2."



The New York Times

David Pogue characterized the TouchPad as "late for the ball," especially because the device's "biggest distinguishing component" is its operating system. According to him, the tablet "doesn't get off to a good start" from a hardware perspective because it's 40 percent thicker and 20 percent heavier than the iPad.

"It supposedly has a blazing-fast chip inside, but you wouldnt know it. When you rotate the screen, it takes the screen two seconds to match an eternity in tablet time," he wrote. "Apps can take a long time to open; the built-in chat app, for example, takes seven seconds to appear. Animations are sometimes jerky, reactions to your finger swipes sometimes uncertain."

Pogue also complained that the TouchPad's battery life lasts only eight hours, compared to the iPad's 10.

To HP's credit, the reviewer did note that both the device and WebOS are beautiful. Pogue also praised the company's Synergy feature that consolidates contacts and calendars from multiple online accounts. The TouchPad boasts changes to the virtual keyboard, adding a number row at the top and adjustable key heights.

HP has also brought over innovations from Palm, such as magnetic charing and close integration with the upcoming Palm Pre 3 smartphone.

"In this 1.0 incarnation, the TouchPad doesnt come close to being as complete or mature as the iPad or the best Android tablets; youd be shortchanging yourself by buying one right now, unless youre some kind of rabid A.B.A. nut (Anything but Apple)," Pogue concluded, adding that HP has shown "signs of greatness," but is "tilting at windmills."

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The Associated Press

Rachel Metz found the TouchPad to be just a "mediocre tablet," and not the triumph for HP that it should have been. "Yet while the TouchPad's software is beautiful and intuitive, overall the tablet is more of a "meh-sterpiece" than a masterpiece," she wrote.

Metz said the WebOS software made "perfect sense" on a tablet and navigating around the device was "a breeze." Video performance was excellent, and the device was good for surfing the web, although some websites would not load properly.

However, the reviewer also noted "plenty of fumbles" on the device. For example, IM conversations would sometimes mysteriously stop sending text. Other times, the tablet would stutter and freeze. Metz tested the video chat feature and found it to be "dismal." According to a colleague, the video from the TouchPad looked "like a Monet painting" and the audio sounded crackly.

"Sadly, the TouchPad is more blah than brilliant. The software is great, though, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that HP can come up with a stronger tablet next time around," she concluded.

Bloomberg

Rich Jaroslovsky, a self-professed fan of "the polished, easy-to-use webOS software," wrote that the operating system made the leap from phone to tablet "beautifully." However, he was surprised at some of HP's struggles in the hardware department. In particular, Jaroslovsky took issue with the TouchPad's weight, which is even heavier than Apple's original iPad.

The reviewer appreciated aspects of the experience that, like Apple, arose from HP's control of both the software and the hardware. For instance, the TouchPad can be paired with the Palm Pre 3 to pass information and even answer incoming calls and receive and send text messages.

But, the tablet "sometimes struggles with the basics," often feeling "sluggish and underpowered," according to Jaroslovsky. He was also disappointed by battery life, getting only 4 1/2 hours during stress testing.

"Especially given the TouchPads hardware shortcomings, youre probably better off waiting for a TouchPad 2," he wrote.
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Must keep.... brow... furrowed.... at.... non... Apple.... products!
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Even as a die-hard webOS user I agree with these reviews. webOS is more intuitive and beautiful than iOS, but HP really should have just waited and optimized it for another month.
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Can you believe that there exists delusional fools and mentally ill people out there who have been calling this an iPad killer? And if these people are not mentally ill, then they are surely smoking much better weed than I am, and I'd like to know where I can get me some of that.

I read a few of those HP tablet reviews and this tablet is a complete joke. It's fat and grotesquely obese. It weighs too much. It's made from cheap materials. It takes more than a minute to turn on! It has shoddy battery life. It fares terrible in performance tests, such as javascript. It suffers from many bugs. The video camera, of which it only has one, seems like complete crap, not even good enough for Skype. Flash is horrible, buggy and laggy on it, not that I really give a damn about Flash. When you tear the tablet apart, it looks like the insides of a cheap pc, not a tablet. There are hardly any apps available for it. They hilariously priced it at the exact same price as the undisputed #1 tablet which rules the universe.

The modern tablet era, which was ushered in by the arrival of the groundbreaking iPad is still pretty young, but the tablet graveyard has already begun to fill up with the corpses of tablets which have already met their early demise. I imagine that in 6 months time, the corpse of the HP Touchpad will be feeling pretty comfortable lying 6 feet underground, next to his neighbor, Mr. Xoom and all of the other poor, unfortunate bastards.
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OMG Walt Mossberg didn't like a non iProduct!? Really? I can't beleive it. Oh wait...
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OMG Walt Mossberg didn't like a non iProduct!? Really? I can't beleive it. Oh wait...

You mean to be more credible he has to lie once in a while and pretend that a crappy product is great and a great product is crappy? :-)
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You mean to be more credible he has to lie once in a while and pretend that a crappy product is great and a great product is crappy? :-)

I think you know what I mean. If you want an unbiased opinion when an iSomething is envolved, Walt is not the tree to climb. I don't know if this HP thing is any good, but you will not find out by asking Walt :-)
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That's too bad. I really like webOS. I don't need a tablet anyways, but I was really hoping hPalm would produce something better then just average.
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I think you know what I mean. If you want an unbiased opinion when an iSomething is envolved, Walt is not the tree to climb. I don't know if this HP thing is any good, but you will not find out by asking Walt :-)

Actually, when describing things like battery life, number of available apps, and websites that flat didn't load, it'd be a stretch to say he's being biased. He's just reporting the facts.

Edit: Yeah, I know iOS wouldn't load the flash-based sites either. I'm just saying that if it has the player installed and it doesn't work, that's just Walt reporting his findings on how well it does at what it tries to be.

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Here we are at version 3 of WebOS, on its fastest hardware yet, and it's still slow, buggy, and power hungry.

The UI is pretty, as usual, but it's still a mess under the surface.

WebOS was a hail mary attempt from Palm; after years of trying to develop the next generation Palm OS they whipped together "WebOS" from a Linux kernel and WebKit in only a matter of months, and it appears there are serious architectural problems as a result. I'll be surprised if there are any WebOS devices in the market in a few years. Its flaws are just too deep.
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just give them some time to polish the thing...
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I am curious to see what WebOS looks and feels like. I have heard a lot of positive hopes and comments on Apple boards regarding it, so I would love to see it.

I am also very curious to see the second generation versions of all these non-iTablets. What will Xoom offer in the next version? What about RIM Playbook and of course, the HP Touchpad? They have a benchmark in sight, which is set by iPad and now they have one iteration of their products in the market. I'm sure that with this experience, they should make better ones next time around.

Finally, maybe it's just me but the moment a reviewer uses something like "meh-sterpiece" in their review, I cannot take the rest of it seriously. It's not what I'd expect a reviewer to use. I mean this isn't AintItCool.com.
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Even if the TouchPad was brilliant, which is it apparently not, the lack of a complete 'ecosystem' will probably doom it to failure. It takes a lot of time and effort to build a complete ecosystem (devices, accessories, applications, etc) and Apple is definitely in the driver's seat with Google following way behind for now. While HP is obviously following Apple's approach, I am not sure if the market can support two 'closed' designs as well as the 'open' one from Google. I welcome HP if for no other reason it spurs the other players to keep innovating and evolving their platforms...
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just give them some time to polish the thing...

Butthead once told Beavis that "you can't polish a turd", and he was spot-on. Even if they manage to optimize the OS and add missing features, and gain a reasonable number of available tablet-optimized apps, the hardware is still a disaster. TouchPad 2 had better be badass, or the whole concept is doomed.
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OMG Walt Mossberg didn't like a non iProduct!? Really? I can't beleive it. Oh wait...

Yeah surprising. I started to dislike him when I saw his interview with Steve Jobs. He feels like he's elite and he makes annoying, criticizing laughs toward Steve Jobs.
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A lot of the critique is actually high praise...
if you compare this device to Android tablets like the Xoom or Galaxy 10.1.

The battery life is probably on-par, the WebOS is much better than Honeycomb, and 300 apps? that's like 3x as many as when the Xoom (or even Galaxy 10.1) had on release.

There is no tablet market, only an iPad market.
However, if I was going to anoint one halway-decent competitor to the iPad it would be the Touchpad.
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HP + Palm is not equal to more than the sum of its parts, but less.

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just like the Samsung Galaxy, the reviewers all list major problems for the first version of the TouchPad, while praising its good points. but the problems are fatal! which they just don't come out and say. instead they hopefully suggest they can be fixed ... in the indefinite future. even the obviously DOA RIM PlayBook.

yeah, maybe. but an honest review would conclude you'd be foolish to buy one now, until they do. either buy an iPad, or just wait, would be the message.

what these iPad wannabes are accomplishing, tho, is to quickly fragment the not-Apple tablet market into a confusing mess in the public mind (and just wait until MS joins the pack - if you can hang on that long). which confusion will push most buyers to the one product they know they can count on to deliver a polished good experience now - the iPad. and iOS 5 will be very, very popular.

so what will be the next iPad killer hype? the Amazon tablet? or Sony? i guess Nokia has thrown in the towel ...
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OMG Walt Mossberg didn't like a non iProduct!? Really? I can't beleive it. Oh wait...

I have been following Mossberg for years. I can honestly say he is one of the best. Moreover, he is a highly respected journalist with credibility and integrity.

Let's face it, the iPad 2 is the tablet to beat. In order to compete with Apple, your product needs to be PERFECT right out of the gate. Unfortunately, all of Apple's competitors, for some reason or another, have stumbled out of the gate.

Want proof? Remember the XOOM? Remember the PlayBook? Both of these tablets had a lot of promise. Unfortunately, they both stumbled out of the gate (Price/Missing Features/Lack of Apps). If you are competing against a juggernaut like Apple, you can't afford to produce a product that's half baked or else it will die a slow death.

Having said that, I still think HP is a dark horse.

Still, I was hoping their first effort would be a worthy competitor to the iPad. Sadly, it also stumbled out of the gate.
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I think you know what I mean. If you want an unbiased opinion when an iSomething is envolved, Walt is not the tree to climb. I don't know if this HP thing is any good, but you will not find out by asking Walt :-)

Walt didn't write all three of those reviews, my friend.

Maybe you would like 'best out of five', perhaps?
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Well, out of every non-iPad delivered to consumers over the last year, it appears that the Samsung 10.1 was the best... probably because they copied the iPad as best they could... and that's not saying much for non-iPad's. Too bad.
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Well, out of every non-iPad delivered to consumers over the last year, it appears that the Samsung 10.1 was the best... probably because they copied the iPad as best they could... and that's not saying much for non-iPad's. Too bad.

The galaxy tab (the 7 inch) actually sold the best of the non-iPads.
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The galaxy tab (the 7 inch) actually sold the best of the non-iPads.

While the 7" may have "reportedly" sold 2 million to stores (not customers), the Tab 10.1 hasn't been out long and will sell more than 2 million to customers by the end of this year, I have no doubt. The 7" Tab was pure junk. The 10.1 at least is a semi-clone of the iPad and I think the best option for those not wanting an iPad. In 2 iterations of Honeycomb, I believe this will be the best non-iPad on the market and will take 20-30% of the global tablet pie, with Apple eating 55-60% and then the rest made up of white box clones and Xoom/HP/discount bin garbage.
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OMG Walt Mossberg didn't like a non iProduct!? Really? I can't beleive it. Oh wait...

It's not like he's an outlier on this one.

thisismynext's review:

Still, the bottom line here is that the stability and smoothness of the user experience is not up to par with the iPad or something like the Galaxy Tab 10.1, even if many of the underlying ideas are actually a lot better.


Engadget's review:

Oh, happy day, when one first receives a device that's been eagerly anticipated for months. Sad, sad day when that device fails to live up to one's expectations. We all wanted the TouchPad to really compete, to give us a compelling third party to join the iOS and Android boxes on the ballot. But, alas, this isn't quite it.

Gizmodo is heartbroken:

I am so goddamned tired of the iPad. Which is why I was so excited for the TouchPad. And that's why I feel so completely crushed right now.


Slashgear is a lone voice of love, and even they can't help but snipe about the hardware:

Uninspiring hardware, perhaps, but well happily look past that based on webOS charms.
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I believe this will be the best non-iPad on the market and will take 20-30% of the global tablet pie, with Apple eating 55-60% and then the rest made up of white box clones and Xoom/HP/discount bin garbage.

So Windows 8 ends up with market share in the low single digits or Windows 8 counts as a PC not a media tablet?
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While the 7" may have "reportedly" sold 2 million to stores (not customers), the Tab 10.1 hasn't been out long and will sell more than 2 million to customers by the end of this year, I have no doubt.

I'm not going off Samsung's dodgy shipment numbers, I'm going off the Android app market's data.

http://developer.android.com/resourc...d/screens.html

3% of devices have large screens, meaning 7inch, thats around 3.5mil - the largest part would seem likely to be the galaxy tab, at least I can't think of another 7inch that actually made it into the wild in any numbers yet.

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The 7" Tab was pure junk. The 10.1 at least is a semi-clone of the iPad and I think the best option for those not wanting an iPad. In 2 iterations of Honeycomb, I believe this will be the best non-iPad on the market and will take 20-30% of the global tablet pie, with Apple eating 55-60% and then the rest made up of white box clones and Xoom/HP/discount bin garbage.

Some strange folk seem to actually want a 7inch - lord knows why, also since it runs Froyo it actually has some apps.

The galaxy 10.1 is almost certainly a better device, but it's far harder to justify in the face of an iPad-2.
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Yeah surprising. I started to dislike him when I saw his interview with Steve Jobs. He feels like he's elite and he makes annoying, criticizing laughs toward Steve Jobs.

People forget the decade of more of criticism levelled at Apple by Mossberg. Now he approves of Apple's superior hardware, software and eco-system. Why was he a hero when he didn't approve of Apple's offerings and a villain now that he does? Could it not be that Apple's done some things right that meet Mossberg's criteria?


As for his inteviewing style, I'd rather he be somewhat deferential than come off as a know-it-all blowhard out to prove he could run a big IT operation better than the CEO. We have enough of these obnoxious cretins on mainstream TV. Everybody know Mossberg writes from the hip and isn't afraid to call a duck a duck.
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So Windows 8 ends up with market share in the low single digits or Windows 8 counts as a PC not a media tablet?

You "assume" a Windows 8 tablet will be out before 2013. I think you are being quite optimistic.
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The galaxy 10.1 is almost certainly a better device, but it's far harder to justify in the face of an iPad-2.

It's easy to justify. There are a lot of people that simply refuse to buy Apple or want a smaller footprint tablet. These are the folks that will buy the best tablet that doesn't start with an "i". In this case, and IMO, that's the Samsung Galaxy 10.1 or 8.9.
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Criticising a new platform for a lack of apps at launch is beyond stupid.
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Criticising a new platform for a lack of apps at launch is beyond stupid.

Really? Not having apps available has shown to be the death of every tablet so far. I would think it to be stupid to NOT have apps, and lots of quality ones, at launch.
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If the iPad OS looked like this then no one would say HP's webOS looked more beautiful and elegant.

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It's easy to justify. There are a lot of people that simply refuse to buy Apple or want a smaller footprint tablet. These are the folks that will buy the best tablet that doesn't start with an "i". In this case, and IMO, that's the Samsung Galaxy 10.1 or 8.9.

So far we haven't seen large numbers of such people willing to fork out 500bucks for a tablet. Maybe the next time google release data we'll see an uptick though.
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Criticising a new platform for a lack of apps at launch is beyond stupid.

Yip, like Mac.World said. It's not stupid if the device it's competing against, the device that is the measuring stick, is the iPad2, with 80,000 apps. That figure cannot be ignored. Sure we can't expect the platform to have 80,000 apps at launch, but that just shows how behind the competition is. That too, is not a good sign for them. How many apps? How many quality apps? How fast are apps showing up on the store? How many developers? If I'm in the market, I'm going to look at all these stats and facts.
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La HP libro estas malperfekta. Ne sxoko! Kiam ekis kredi HP sukcesus per verkas la unua provo? HP verkos.

I'm sure we all agree 100%?

Might try english - it is a bit more universal. I did get the gist of what you were saying and no disrespect intended - it is simply easier to communicate using english than your native tongue (Portuguese, Spanish?)

Welcome aboard.
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So far we haven't seen large numbers of such people willing to fork out 500bucks for a tablet. Maybe the next time google release data we'll see an uptick though.

Tens of millions of people have forked out $500 for a tablet, it's called the iPad.
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Finally, maybe it's just me but the moment a reviewer uses something like "meh-sterpiece" in their review, I cannot take the rest of it seriously. It's not what I'd expect a reviewer to use. I mean this isn't AintItCool.com.

Well, I don't require that reviewers/editors write like Charles Dickens. On the contrary, I'm always amused/entertained by interesting twists on language and colloquialisms (though, I will grant that "meh-sterpiece" is kinda uninspiredbut at least the writer tried! Kudos for effort. )
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Butthead once told Beavis that "you can't polish a turd", and he was spot-on. Even if they manage to optimize the OS and add missing features, and gain a reasonable number of available tablet-optimized apps, the hardware is still a disaster. TouchPad 2 had better be badass, or the whole concept is doomed.

You can polish a turd.
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