Rumor: Suppliers preparing for October launch of Apple's iPhone 5, iPad 3 - Page 3

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Yes, but that doesn't mean the iPad 2S (2R, 2HD, 2louselautrec) can't come out in [insert fall month here] and give us [insert pointless new feature being screamed about here].

Or so they'd have you believe.

Originally Posted by pmz

just go away. Your ability to deliver ad hominem attacks without getting banned should earn you a trophy on your way out the door.

If you honestly believe that a high resolution screen on the iPad is at all "pointless"

as you're incapable of understanding why a mid-year iPad refresh is likely.

Apple, certainly does NOT think its "pointless".

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

I probably am, but not for the reasons you stated. I believe it's entirely unlikely since Apple does one iDevice model per year and has since 2007.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

I probably am, but not for the reasons you stated. I believe it's entirely unlikely since Apple does one iDevice model per year and has since 2007.

Originally Posted by asdasd

Heres whats certain to happen in the future: Apple will have more than one model of iPhone, and will release more than one model every year. Whether it is this year is the only thing up for debate.

Originally Posted by asdasd

I am not being sarcastic: The argument to past behaviour is not a acceptable argument.

That said, none of us can be certain; however in this case given that Apple are at best stagnating in market share in the phone market, because of massive competition by Android, it makes sense to have more than one model iPhone which can be updated at different times in the year. Think iBook and Mac Book Pro.

As for September - i dont know. I think they will just keep the 3GS and make it the cheap model for now. And the iPad I am 50/50 on. But I except a new iPhone model next year in March - the iPhone 5 with LTE, and possibly a cheap model. Then September sees an upgrade to the standard models.

Originally Posted by asdasd

I am not being sarcastic: The argument to past behaviour is not a acceptable argument.

That said, none of us can be certain; however in this case given that Apple are at best stagnating in market share in the phone market, because of massive competition by Android, it makes sense to have more than one model iPhone which can be updated at different times in the year. Think iBook and Mac Book Pro.

As for September - i dont know. I think they will just keep the 3GS and make it the cheap model for now. And the iPad I am 50/50 on. But I except a new iPhone model next year in March - the iPhone 5 with LTE, and possibly a cheap model. Then September sees an upgrade to the standard models.

Originally Posted by cloudgazer

This is what I meant by 'Shock and awe', Apple just rained down updates so that every time competitors thought they had a point of differentiation or a price advantage they found that they didn't, and had to go back to the drawing board, invest a load of money on a new product and lose a ton of money on product that they couldn't get out of channel.

Edit:

Just saw this graphic on The Register and it kinda blew my mind

Originally Posted by nvidia2008

This is probably the most efficient way Apple can split the next-generation iPhone line, ie. as mentioned iPhone 5 world-mode glass type and iPhone 4GS world-mode old plastic type. This also buys Apple time to come out with a mind-blowing iPhone 6 which supports LTE in October 2012. You see in this strategy I mention they would preserve the manufacturing capacity having been churning out iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 for quite a while now, iPhone 5 and iPhone 4GS would not need radically new manufacturing processes... Leaving Apple to focus fully on *the* space where radical new thought, design and battery architecture is needed, namely an LTE iPhone for US, China (TD-LTE) and global markets.
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Originally Posted by NinjaBladeMastery

Dude, wtf!? Doesn't the Blackberry have free web browsing and messaging? This is madness. What would happen if iCloud provided a similar service to BB services? (I know there's an iMessage, but will we still be subject to data charges and the like?)

Originally Posted by asdasd

Why do people who think that "Apple comes out with a model every year" not think it wil take 15 months for the next one?

Originally Posted by Alfiejr

6. one last thing - will there be an iPhone Nano, or will Apple just keep selling the 3GS very cheap? with the emphasis on FaceTime, I think Apple would like to sunset the 3GS.

Originally Posted by Alfiejr

2. Certainly the iPhone 5. like most I expect a spec bumped iPhone 4 with a bigger screen and better camera.

3. a new 5.5" iPod touch model,

...just blown up...

...Apple can't give a whole market segment away to the competition...

4. I really can't figure out what will happen to the iPod Nano and Shuffle. Apple keeps fiddling with both a lot every year, and probably will again. link with iCloud somehow?

I don't expect an Apple HDTV, probably never.

will there be an iPhone Nano, or will Apple just keep selling the 3GS very cheap?

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

There IS no competition. No one wants to buy anything but an iPad. All the 7" tablets are TERRIBLE. No one wants a 5.5" device. It's too big for any pocket and too small to subconsciously carry.

Originally Posted by cloudgazer

I heard that these are strange creatures called women, who carry peculiar fetishes known as handbags or purses in which they place all manner of devices, powders, ointments and who knows what else. Apparently some of these fair creatures have been known to buy consumer electronics.

Originally Posted by cloudgazer

I heard that these are strange creatures called women, who carry peculiar fetishes known as handbags or purses in which they place all manner of devices, powders, ointments and who knows what else. Apparently some of these fair creatures have been known to buy consumer electronics.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

That's a very strange use for a tablet, though.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

A5 chip. 3.5" screen. Camera goes either way.



Nope.



Because that worked SO well on the iPad.



There IS no competition. No one wants to buy anything but an iPad. All the 7" tablets are TERRIBLE. No one wants a 5.5" device. It's too big for any pocket and too small to subconsciously carry.



Apple wouldn't stick Wi-Fi in them to kill their battery life. Apple also wouldn't stick 3G in them to connect to iCloud from anywhere.

Camera on the next nano, shuffle gets new colors in the same form factor.



Finally some sense. Good on you.



The latter.

Originally Posted by blackbook

I love your pessimism.

But seriously I think you should be more open-minded because Apple could really surprise us with a lot in the coming 6 months on the mobile front, especially with the iPhone brand maturing.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

No. They won't. Because Apple hasn't really given a surprise on any front since the Intel switch.

Originally Posted by Flaneur

I'd have to rate the Retina screen on the iPhone and touch as a surprise

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

The opposite would have been true for me. Retina Display+front camera+A[number] chip is status quo for iDevices now.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

My first surprise from Apple in the last five years was them NOT discontinuing the white MacBook when the MacBook Collector's Edition came out.

My second was them putting a Mini DVI port and Mini DisplayPort on the last-gen Mac Mini. It was abject nonsense, but at least they shipped it with an included Mini DVI adapter...

My third was when they didn't discontinue the iPod classic last September, if not the one before that.

My fourth was Apple NOT including a Retina Display on the iPad 2. That didn't make any sense given their history.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

And that's it. Everything else either equalled or undercut what I predicted or believed. Never surpassed.

Originally Posted by blackbook

He was saying Retina surprised him when the iPhone 4 came out. Retina/Facetime/A4 weren't status quo before the iPhone 4 came out, and that was his point.

Come on your nitpicking and all of your Apple "surprises" are things they didn't do, not things they did.

By the sounds of it nothing Apple does in the future will impress you

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Yes, but it was implied that the iPod touch WOULD be getting it. Wchいswhyイを鵜ldはヴェベエンすrpリセd位f位tはんd't.

And apparently I typed too fast and switched to Romaji. I'm leaving it.

Which is why I would have been surprised if it hadn't.



I'm not only not nitpicking, but the nature of the surprises also isn't the point. That they were surprises matters.

You can't tell me that the white MacBook continuing to exist doesn't matter in the "big scheme of things". Nor can you tell me that forcing 30" Cinema Display users to buy the expensive and horribly buggy Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI adapter if they wanted to buy a (then-) updated Mac Mini didn't matter. Heck yes, it did. Apple dropping the full-size DVI without a newer equivalent display solution in place was a mistake.

iPod classic, eh. If people with FLAC libraries were still buying it, more power to them. I was just surprised that enough were being sold to continue production. I will certainly be even MORE surprised if it isn't discontinued THIS year, its ten-year anniversary.

And the iPad 2's argument is the same as the iPod touch's.



Certainly not. I'd be impressed by an A5 Apple TV with apps (not actually apps... CHANNELS! A la carte TV channels packaged as downloadable apps! Get JUST The Science Channel, Discovery, History, and NASA without paying $60 a month for satellite and 400 channels you'll never watch!).

I'd be impressed by a redesigned Mac Pro with Thunderbolt PCIe graphics cards that makes the server crowd happy again.

I'd be surprised by Apple stating a data plan is no longer required to use an iPhone. I realize they're not the ones currently dictating such, but, again, it would be surprising to see them start to do so.

Most of the things I'd be surprised at Apple doing are things that they would absolutely never do. Hence the surprise. They'll stick to meeting my expectations for the time being. I don't see, say, the removal of ALL PORTS but Thunderbolt on new Macs happening any time soon, and I'd like that, but I understand why they don't do it, and I would be surprised if they did.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

A5 chip. 3.5" screen. Camera goes either way.



Nope.



Because that worked SO well on the iPad.



There IS no competition. No one wants to buy anything but an iPad. All the 7" tablets are TERRIBLE. No one wants a 5.5" device. It's too big for any pocket and too small to subconsciously carry.



Apple wouldn't stick Wi-Fi in them to kill their battery life. Apple also wouldn't stick 3G in them to connect to iCloud from anywhere.

Camera on the next nano, shuffle gets new colors in the same form factor.



Finally some sense. Good on you.



The latter.

Originally Posted by Alfiejr

it will be fun to check back after the announcements to see who was closer. i was just guessing, but you've put your pundit rep on the line.

Originally Posted by Wiggin

The only reason I see for Apple to refresh the iPad this Fall is if they think there will be a marketing challenge from Android for Holiday sales. Note, I'm not saying there will be a legit hardware or software challenge from Android. But if come Holiday shopping season there are a bunch of "greatest thing since sliced bread" marketing campaigns for new Android tablets and Apple's offering is perceived as a 9-months old dinosaur, it could take some sales away. Remember, many consumers don't appreciate the differences between devices. They will just go out and buy little Sally and Jonny whatever they think is the latest-and-greatest.