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My IQ is 143 and I think it's awesome

I wish, I knew what my IQ is. But I can't count that far.
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This is when torrents rock

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The worst part about this statement?

Not that your conduct is deplorable.

Not that you have no moral fiber.

But that you haven't broken the forum rules, so I can't report it.

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post #83 of 150
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Right, but isn't that what phones are for? Why do I need "glance and go" on my laptop or desktop computer? Do I whip out my laptop every time I want to check the weather or see if I have a new tweet?

I'm really not quite understanding what MS is doing here. Apple makes a clear distinction between iOS and OS X because they run on very different hardware that engenders different UI solutions. MS allows itself to fall way behind on touch interfaces, then abruptly goes all in by slapping a "touch friendly" UI on an OS that's likely to be mostly run on devices that strongly mitigate against that solution.

And then they further muddy the waters by declaring that their phones will continue to run a different but similar OS while reserving Win 8 for tablets.

Apple: purpose built mobile iOS on mobile devices, OS X on laptops and desktops. MS: WM7 on phones, Win8 with a touch skin on tablets, Win8 with a touch skin that probably will get quickly dismissed to get at Win7 on laptops and desktops.

I don't think that's "efficient" at all, and "glance and go" makes no sense whatsoever for a desktop UI.

I'm with you on all that! But I don't even find that their WP7 interface works well on a phone - in the 10 minutes or so I spent playing with one, the most impressive thing to my mind was the interface they had already had in the Zune for a while (had never seen one of those here in NZ). For the rest of it, I couldn't see much logic to the layout, and I couldn't for the life of me get past the total lack of aesthetic value - those tiles I just could not abide.
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Haha. Windows 8 looks like it's made for really stupid and simple people.

And Lion doesn't?

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You can still report it...

Pirating commercial software is illegal. There's really no other way you can swing it.

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The worst part about this statement?

Not that your conduct is deplorable.

Not that you have no moral fiber.

But that you haven't broken the forum rules, so I can't report it.

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You can still report it to imafuckingpussywithastickupmyass.com.

lol Was thinking of the same link to give to the ol' timer. Oh well, let him have his fun downloading all the Beatles CDs on iTunes (maybe he uses Limewire) before he reads up on how to install Lion from a flash drive or that you can install from the DMG itself.
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Pirating commercial software is illegal. There's really no other way you can swing it.

1) Why even respond to him when you know he's just trolling?

2) I'm a paid Mac and iOS dev and torrented Preview 3 and Preview 4 because the Mac App Store process was somehow corrupting my download even though it said it was okay. Even the initial installer reported no issues but about 70% through the installation they would fail. By mounting the InstallESD.dmg I was able to tell if the installer was corrupted. It wasn't until the last Software Update fort Lion that my Mac App Store correctly downloaded Lion as discovered by the recent Lion release. But I digress, am I evil for using torrents or am I allowed because I had no other recourse even though I was a paid dev?
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post #88 of 150
Cool it with the personal attack.
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post #89 of 150
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Originally Posted by stonefingers View Post

If I'm not mistaken, you'll have to pay $29 like the rest of us.

You are mistaken.
post #90 of 150
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Originally Posted by samwell View Post

And Lion doesn't?


No it doesn't. Lion looks like a natural evolution of Snow Leopard.
post #91 of 150
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The worst part about this statement?
But that you haven't broken the forum rules, so I can't report it.

Oh yes you can. There's a lady in AI customer service named Helen Waite. If you have a problem with a poster, just go to Helen Waite.
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I can't befuckinglieve we ar not getting resolution independence even with lion...
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Originally Posted by RKRick View Post

So let's say your hard drive dies and you install a new one or you just want to upgrade to an SSD, I guess you would have to install SL first to access the download then do your clean install... what a hassle.

Godd thing then, isn't it, that you don't have to do it that way.

Google around a bit; there are a number of sites outlining how to generate a bootable install DVD from the Lion download.

Burn your disc, or two, and you're set for the scenario you have in mind.
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Originally Posted by Half Nelson View Post

So, does anyone have any feedback on how someone might navigate Lion if they have a traditional mouse or a trackball?

Exactly the way that you'd navigate in Snow Leopard now with a mouse or trackpad.

You just don't get to use the gestures. You can even turn them off in System Preferences if you prefer.
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Oh yes you can. There's a lady in AI customer service named Helen Waite. If you have a problem with a poster, just go to Helen Waite.

Is that your mommy?
post #96 of 150
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Originally Posted by success View Post

Is that [Helen Waite} your mommy?

+1

No but in an outfit where I used to work the project manager would always use that line on newcomer engineers and managers who were frustrated by slow code testing by the QA folks. QA by necessity is a slow process if you want a quality product out there. Our product was a computerized telephone exchange that had to have near 100% uptime.
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Haha. Windows 8 looks like it's made for really stupid and simple people. It just looks like a bunch of big widgets shaped like tiles on your desktop, providing real useful info such as the weather.

And how much is that crap going to cost? As we all know, Lion will be $29. Only a fool would shell out good money to downgrade their OS and get a couple of tiles on their desktop instead. We all know how much MS charges for their operating systems.

$12 if you're a student? That's how much I paid for Windows 7.
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I can't befuckinglieve we ar not getting resolution independence even with lion...

Apparently, Mac OS X is not designed for stupid and simple people, unlike Windows 8, which does have resolution independence.
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Until you mentioned this I couldn't put my finger on where I'd seen that "tiled" display before.

I remember back in the System 8 and OS 9 cays there was something called IIRC the Simple Finder was for youngsters and had no text but these huge icons all lined up like W8 does.

Actually, I believe what you're referring to was Apple's "AtEase," which was basically a kid-friendly GUI atop the standard System GUI. We had Macs in our grade school and they all had this interface to prevent kids from actually accessing the main desktop and messing things up.
post #100 of 150
Apple better get that data center online before they release Lion. The download speed is is really slow for the GM seed. I have a 5 Mbps connection but I'm only getting around 1 from Apple. It has taken literally all day and still not done with a 3.74 GB download. This will really be a an issue for many people which is clearly why they are waiting to release any new hardware updates until they can ship it with Lion installed. A new switcher would be very upset if they had to go through what is now a multi-hour download just to get the latest OS. We Apple veterans tend to be a little more forgiving.

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Wow, you could get a job as an Apple genius, although I'm sure you are also a bizillionaire.

He's probably too busy writing riddles for Batman.

The sad thing is due to the dumbing down of this country, an IQ of 150 is what used to be pretty average. I certainly wouldn't brag about it any more than a SAT score of 1300
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Originally Posted by Quillz View Post

Apparently, Mac OS X is not designed for stupid and simple people, unlike Windows 8, which does have resolution independence.

Well o wouldn't go as far with the irony, but of course I can't blame you for being sarcastic here.

What the hell is going on with ri apple?
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Originally Posted by strobe View Post

He's probably too busy writing riddles for Batman.

The sad thing is due to the dumbing down of this country, an IQ of 150 is what used to be pretty average. I certainly wouldn't brag about it any more than a SAT score of 1300

Sorry mods: Way off topic... I had to laugh at your post and you didn't even see the irony of it I guess.

In the land of statistics the intelligence quotient, IQ, is represented on a distribution curve graphically. The result is a gaussian or bell curve, i.e. shaped like a bell with both the + and - sides the same shape only mirrored when the distribution of a large enough sample population's test results are displayed.

The median point is by definition 100, i.e. that is the dead center of the bell curve. That it to say, most people in a sample have a result of 100 so is the 'average' and always has been. Since the shape of the graph is a bell, for every test result of 110 there is one of 90 and so on. A result of 150 would be well down the right side of the distribution curve i.e. few tests would reflect that high and for every one that did there would be the same number with 50. The very shape of the graph demonstrates how few there are at 150 or 50 since the vast majority are up around 100.

I make no claims to the validity of such tests, I simply wanted to point out your misunderstanding of the term IQ .


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I wish, I knew what my IQ is. But I can't count that far.


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Cool it with the personal attack.

Soli, does iLife 11 work OK in the GM? I see it isn't included in Lion's GM itself. I may be dreaming but didn't all previous OS X releases include iLife. I'm guessing it is split due to downloading sizes and users will be lead to the App Store to add them for free? Or are they now additional costs albeit low. Sorry I've been away for weeks and out of touch
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Sorry mods: Way off topic... I had to laugh at your post and you didn't even see the irony of it I guess.

In the land of statistics the intelligence quotient, IQ, is represented on a distribution curve graphically. The result is a gaussian or bell curve, i.e. shaped like a bell with both the + and - sides the same shape only mirrored when the distribution of a large enough sample population's test results are displayed.

The median point is by definition 100, i.e. that is the dead center of the bell curve. That it to say, most people in a sample have a result of 100 so is the 'average' and always has been. Since the shape of the graph is a bell, for every test result of 110 there is one of 90 and so on. A result of 150 would be well down the right side of the distribution curve i.e. few tests would reflect that high and for every one that did there would be the same number with 50. The very shape of the graph demonstrates how few there are at 150 or 50 since the vast majority are up around 100.

I'll add a few things:

0) I believe Mensa (<== not an acronym) takes the top 3% from each time they test, not those with a certain score or better.

1) Anyone who uses an IQ test to justify their own intelligence isn't very bright.

1) French psychologist Alfred Binot's design of the test wasn't to find those who are "more intelligent" but to locate those that were naturally disadvantaged. He clearly noted the limitations of his test and wrote extensively about the potential for it to be abused.

2) Can you guess what happened when it came to the US via Henry Goddard and then further bastardized by Standford's Lewis Terman as the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Test? Yep, eugenics movement. Binet was pissed as his test wasn't designed for and not suited for that purpose.

3) I can't wait for the BBC show Q.I. (Quite Interesting) hosted by Stephen Fry to start back up. Love that show. Too bad it's the kind of show that would never work in the US market.
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Soli, does iLife 11 work OK in the GM? I see it isn't included in Lion's GM itself. I may be dreaming but didn't all previous OS X releases include iLife. I'm guessing it is split due to downloading sizes and users will be lead to the App Store to add them for free? Or are they now additional costs albeit low. Sorry I've been away for weeks and out of touch

5) Yeah, my iPhoto and Garageband seem to work fine. I haven't tested the other apps.

8) iLife isn't part of Mac OS X unless you are buying a new Mac, then it comes bundled. Otherwise it's a separate purchase and install. It's been this way since the start, unless you bought one of the boxed sets that included both (or all, if go to when iWork was added to the mix).
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5) Yeah, my iPhoto and Garageband seem to work fine. I haven't tested the other apps.

8) iLife isn't part of Mac OS X unless you are buying a new Mac, then it comes bundled. Otherwise it's a separate purchase and install. It's been this way since the start, unless you bought one of the boxed sets that included both (or all if go to when iWork was added to the mix).

Oh right, I am mixing up new Mac with new OS. Thanks, I'll give it a whirl on a clone with hundreds of apps and start testing ... .
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I'll add a few things:

0) I believe Mensa (<== not an acronym) takes the top 3% from each time they test, not those with a certain score or better.

1) Anyone who uses an IQ test to justify their own intelligence isn't very bright.

1) French psychologist Alfred Binot's design of the test wasn't to find those who are "more intelligent" but to locate those that were naturally disadvantaged. He clearly noted the limitations of his test and wrote extensively about the potential for it to be abused.

2) Can you guess what happened when it came to the US via Henry Goddard and then further bastardized by Standford's Lewis Terman as the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Test? Yep, eugenics movement. Binet was pissed as his test wasn't designed for and not suited for that purpose.

3) I can't wait for the BBC show Q.I. (Quite Interesting) hosted by Stephen Fry to start back up. Love that show. Too bad it's the kind of show that would never work in the US market.


Mensa taking the top % not a score makes perfect sense if they want a wide array of representatives but not pure high IQ since the scores are only relative to any one particular sample not across samples. One sample may have all people of below average and another above, thus their members would have a potential differential. Not that I'd ever really given that much thought before. I had to take such a test at Uni in a Psych class just so we could see what it was all about. My score was quite good but I was shocked to discover I'd turned over two pages by accident and missed a section. I was daft (and young) enough to ask if that could be taken into account and was told by the smiling lecturer ... "The pages were numbered. It already has." The entire class collapsed laughing.

I wonder if that show might make it here via the net somehow. I so wish the BBC would run a NetFlix type option for overseas viewers, all the content for a monthly fee.
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Mensa taking the top % not a score makes perfect sense if they want a wide array of representatives but not pure high IQ since the scores are only relative to any one particular sample not across samples. One sample may have all people of below average and another above, thus their members would have a potential differential. Not that I'd ever really given that much thought before. I had to take such a test at Uni in a Psych class just so we could see what it was all about. My score was quite good but I was shocked to discover I'd turned over two pages by accident and missed a section. I was daft (and young) enough to ask if that could be taken into account and was told by the smiling lecturer ... "The pages were numbered. It already has." The entire class collapsed laughing.

I wonder if that show might make it here via the net somehow. I so wish the BBC would run a NetFlix type option for overseas viewers, all the content for a monthly fee.

They need to get with the BBC on that and the BC would probably have you go to their site so unless it's been DVD for Region 1 or on BBC America I think it's unlikely.

I do, however, have access to the shows the day they air via newsgroups and torrents. Nothing will stand in the way between trivia -and- British humour.
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They need to get with the BBC on that and the BC would probably have you go to their site so unless it's been DVD for Region 1 or on BBC America I think it's unlikely.

I do, however, have access to the shows the day they air via newsgroups and torrents. Nothing will stand in the way between trivia -and- British humour.

I'm glad to hear you and other Americans get it (the humor that is)! I have had to use it far less since I moved here 22 years ago ... as the Archbishop said to the actress.
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I'm glad to hear you and other American's get it (the humor that is)! I have had to use it far less since I moved here 22 years ago ... as the Archbishop said to the actress.

The Office (US) has made the phrase "That's what she said" quite popular. Wikipedia has a decent write up on the etymology of your phrasing which I think everyone should read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Said_th..._to_the_bishop
PS: I can't help but think of Edmund Blackadder's "Black Russian" codpiece in Series 1, Episode 3 "The Archbishop."
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Actually, I believe what you're referring to was Apple's "AtEase," which was basically a kid-friendly GUI atop the standard System GUI. We had Macs in our grade school and they all had this interface to prevent kids from actually accessing the main desktop and messing things up.

yeah. AtEase predated the "simple finder" which looked very much like it. AtEase was something elementary schools used. As I recall it had some multi-machine features for making a teacher's life easier as well.

On another topic, I think it is funny that Microsoft is reported to be trying to abandon the desktop metaphor that Apple had before MS did.

Steve Jobs has been trying to get us to move to full-screen applications since OSX beta, or before with Next (I never saw a real NEXT). That's 14 to 21 years ago? The hue and cry against losing the multiple-windows-at-a-time modality was so big with Mac users that later versions of X.0 more or less simulated MacOS. I was not surprised when iPhone came out with full-screen applications. Eventually us Apple users will give in to what Steve Jobs wanted back in the Next days.

I love the whole iOS vs Android vs Windows-Mobile vs WebOS war. This harkens back to the days when every computer hardware vendor had its own OS and migrating from one hardware manufacturer to another meant changing OSs. Back in the day (doncha love that phrase?) I had my several applications running on multiple computers because the computer which did word-processing didn't compile-and-link and the neither would replace VT100 or ADM300. Getting a new computer meant servicing a need that just didn't run on one of the existing computers.

The thing I really loved about MacOS, and which Microsoft completely failed to get when they copied MacOS, and also which iOS doesn't permit! is the idea of keeping related files organized together even though the files were used and created by different applications. Further, MacOS let us have icons which showed kind of file it was. The name would tell us what the file contained, the icon would tell us what kind of file it was. Pointless glitz took away what the icon meant. Doh.

Sorry for the rant, it got away from me (I'm not sorry).
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It speeds up the time between GM and release by at least a couple weeks. If this is really the GM then it could come as early as next week.

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This lends credence to the rumours about the launch being next week then. I'm hoping that is indeed the case, I want me some OS X Lion-y goodness.

Somebody in the media said last week that they had been given an advance copy and that it was to come out to the public on the 5th or 6th. I was rather stunned that media people would GET an advance copy while being loose lipped enough to say anything that Apple hadn't said directly. I was possibly more stunned by this than the idea I would have this gem in only a couple of days
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The Office (US) has made the phrase "That's what she said" quite popular. Wikipedia has a decent write up on the etymology of your phrasing which I think everyone should read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Said_th..._to_the_bishop
PS: I can't help but think of Edmund Blackadder's "Black Russian" codpiece in Series 1, Episode 3 "The Archbishop."

Thanks. BTW reversing that phrase is not often seen and we get extra points.
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I make no claims to the validity of such tests, I simply wanted to point out your misunderstanding of the term IQ .

Oh, I understand it, but an IQ of 100 is only for the current medium of dumbasses. It's not impressive, at least not to me.
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Oh, I understand it, but an IQ of 100 is only for the current medium of dumbasses. It's not impressive, at least not to me.

I don't know any mediums, aren't they smart? A 100 score is simply the average of the people tested in any given sample (which has to be large enough to be valid). Nothing more nothing less. It is not there to impress or otherwise, it is just a statistic. Nor is IQ proven to be the be all and end all of measurements in peoples' abilities. You could for example have a person who is very 'smart' but lousy at taking tests. Or you could have a person with a high IQ that believes in Intelligent Design
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For those interested in this topic and other biological determinisms that attempt to prove "worth can be assigned to individuals and groups by measuring intelligence as a single quantity" check out Stephen Jay Gould's excellent book The Mismeasure of Man.

ISBN-10: 0393314251
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I'll add a few things:

0) I believe Mensa (<== not an acronym) takes the top 3% from each time they test, not those with a certain score or better.

Top 2% of any standardized test.

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1) Anyone who uses an IQ test to justify their own intelligence isn't very bright.

Plus they usually inflate it when they use it in such a way.

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1) French psychologist Alfred Binot's design of the test wasn't to find those who are "more intelligent" but to locate those that were naturally disadvantaged. He clearly noted the limitations of his test and wrote extensively about the potential for it to be abused.

2) Can you guess what happened when it came to the US via Henry Goddard and then further bastardized by Standford's Lewis Terman as the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Test? Yep, eugenics movement. Binet was pissed as his test wasn't designed for and not suited for that purpose.

You're absolutely right with these observations and factors. I recall briefly reading some of this back in a college Psych course. I had a non-blood-related aunt who was part of the Terman project at Stanfoo. Though bright she couldn't keep herself away from the bottle. Sad.

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3) I can't wait for the BBC show Q.I. (Quite Interesting) hosted by Stephen Fry to start back up. Love that show. Too bad it's the kind of show that would never work in the US market.

I can't believe how such shows never make it over here. It's a combination of several factors, including our Puritan hangups about sex, Federal regulations on what can or cannot be shown on TV, and the general lack of certain aspects in our sense of humor. I can recall watching "Spitting Image" in the UK in the 80s, and was thrilled to learn later that it would appear here. Trouble was, it had to be dumbed down and it wasn't funny at all. Colossal flop. I've got the entire series of Fawlty Towers, Are You Being Served, and 'Allo 'Allo, and can't get enough of them. Hopefully BBC America will distribute DVDs of QI as it sounds, um, quite interesting.
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Actually, I believe what you're referring to was Apple's "AtEase," which was basically a kid-friendly GUI atop the standard System GUI. We had Macs in our grade school and they all had this interface to prevent kids from actually accessing the main desktop and messing things up.

You're absolutely right! Thanks for fixing my memory.
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With regards to the "British humor" posts ... I watched the movie "Paul" last night.
Oh my god that was funny ... while not a British production, it had a lot of the same type of subtle humor (as well as numerous references to other Sci-Fi films.)
The Christian fundies over here would probably be offended by it though.
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