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post #41 of 114
7/7/11 at 12:33am
Oh yeah.

As for you, Frank. all you ever do is come here to write provocative posts about 'the Left'.

In practically every post you make, you snipe away at people you disagree with in a sour, mean-sprited way.

So kindly don't pretend you don't contribute to the bad atmosphere here. Don't pretend you come here to enter into reasoned debate. You give out more foul air and meanness than anyone. Apart from trumptman.

I'd say this was evidence of the genetic hypocrisy of the Right. But that's the kind of thing you'd write.
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post #42 of 114
7/7/11 at 4:06am
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So you'd be a liberal if I were nicer. Yeah fucking right.

Ah, so because it wouldn't persuade one, it would persuade no one.

Interesting reasoning there.

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post #43 of 114
7/7/11 at 7:16am
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Okay you win the internet for today. Congratulations on the demise of your nuptials.

I am not winning anything I tell the truth and not bullshit like other people do.
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post #44 of 114
7/7/11 at 8:32am
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I am not winning anything I tell the truth and not bullshit like other people do.

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post #45 of 114
7/7/11 at 9:21am
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So you'd be a liberal if I were nicer.

No, you'd still probably fail to convert anyone here. But we'd at least have enjoyable conversations.
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post #46 of 114
7/7/11 at 9:26am
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No, you'd still probably fail to convert anyone here. But we'd at least have enjoyable conversations.

BR could learn a thing or two from us Mormons about effective proselyting methods.

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post #47 of 114
7/7/11 at 9:28am
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Oh yeah.

As for you, Frank. all you ever do is come here to write provocative posts about 'the Left'.

In practically every post you make, you snipe away at people you disagree with in a sour, mean-sprited way.

So kindly don't pretend you don't contribute to the bad atmosphere here. Don't pretend you come here to enter into reasoned debate. You give out more foul air and meanness than anyone. Apart from trumptman.

I'd say this was evidence of the genetic hypocrisy of the Right. But that's the kind of thing you'd write.

No one is complaining about provocative posts. Provocative posting is what makes things interesting.

But that's just it: I complain about "the left" in general and the issues they engage on. I don't go after atheists by randomly accusing them of being complicit in Stalin's murders or openly mock and target people just because they are a different religion than me.

It's one thing to argue passionately over a thread topic. It's entirely another thing to follow Jazz from thread to thread mocking Mormonism. And I say this being no particular friend of the theology behind that religion.
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post #48 of 114
7/7/11 at 10:41am
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No one is complaining about provocative posts. Provocative posting is what makes things interesting.

But that's just it: I complain about "the left" in general and the issues they engage on. I don't go after atheists by randomly accusing them of being complicit in Stalin's murders or openly mock and target people just because they are a different religion than me.

It's one thing to argue passionately over a thread topic. It's entirely another thing to follow Jazz from thread to thread mocking Mormonism. And I say this being no particular friend of the theology behind that religion.

But he is complaining about provocative posting and he really has no choice since there isn't morality, reasoning or anything else for him to stand on.

A friend of mine recently finished Atlas Shrugged at my prompting and I went back into the book and reviewed a bit so we could discuss it. Though fiction, what she manages to capture so well is the language of folks like Mumbo Jumbo. He is a mob, or a consensus of one. You note this yet none of his language will change. He, alone, is always the group, the mob and knows what they think. You aren't right or wrong or good or bad. You are controversial, provocative or perhaps the new word du jour, extreme.

He is the unelected leader of the unspoken and unseen group that you must yield to for the good of all. By that of course he means for the good of him and his unpersuasive attempts at argument.

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post #49 of 114
7/7/11 at 2:21pm
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BR could learn a thing or two from us Mormons about effective proselyting methods.

Sure. And you could learn a thing or two about REALITY from us rationalists/secular humanists/naturalists.

 

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post #50 of 114
7/7/11 at 2:39pm
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Sure. And you could learn a thing or two about REALITY from us rationalists/secular humanists/naturalists.

See, this is a prime example of what not to do when attempting to proselytize.

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post #51 of 114
7/7/11 at 6:58pm
And I am still wondering why my omission of directly saying Mormon was so hilarious? Was that simply to give BR a handle to completely derail the thread? Obviously it was not hilarious for any good reason... \
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post #52 of 114
7/7/11 at 7:34pm
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And I am still wondering why my omission of directly saying Mormon was so hilarious? Was that simply to give BR a handle to completely derail the thread? Obviously it was not hilarious for any good reason... \

Frank made a crack about polygamy. Jazzguru vehemently defended his cult by trying to distance it from its history. I merely continued the conversation from there explaining how their marriage practices were discriminated against for a long time until they abandoned them--and how ironic it is now that they themselves discriminate against gays.

It wasn't a fucking derailment at all. I continued the conversation that evolved. You may not like what I have to say, but too fucking bad.

 

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post #53 of 114
7/7/11 at 11:04pm
Be honest. How many Mormon families do you know with less than four kids after a ten year marriage? After Catholicism, LDS is well known as the second most procreative reasonably common religion in the world.

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post #54 of 114
7/8/11 at 2:27am
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Frank made a crack about polygamy. Jazzguru vehemently defended his cult by trying to distance it from its history. I merely continued the conversation from there explaining how their marriage practices were discriminated against for a long time until they abandoned them--and how ironic it is now that they themselves discriminate against gays.

This is like a sick joke. Vehemently has a definition. It reflects what you do with religion with every post regardless of topic. JG is just the opposite basically trying to ignore your harassment but finally caving because it is incessant and irrational like most forms of hatred.

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It wasn't a fucking derailment at all. I continued the conversation that evolved. You may not like what I have to say, but too fucking bad.

Your first post involved labeling religious beliefs as fairy tales. There's a big difference between disagreement and hate. You practice the latter. People are tired of your hatred. It's not justified and people don't have to tolerate you treating them the way you do.

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Be honest. How many Mormon families do you know with less than four kids after a ten year marriage? After Catholicism, LDS is well known as the second most procreative reasonably common religion in the world.

Stereotyping. It's what's for dinner when you practice hate from the left.

If we wanted to discuss fairy tales that people believe, we could ask you to repeat your favorite story, one that has less proof than any religion, and one you take completely on faith. It's that nice story you both keep telling about the Tea Party being racist and violent. It has less proof than any religion and yet you both have no problem believing it.

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post #55 of 114
7/8/11 at 6:25am
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post #56 of 114
7/8/11 at 8:07am
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Be honest. How many Mormon families do you know with less than four kids after a ten year marriage? After Catholicism, LDS is well known as the second most procreative reasonably common religion in the world.

Ironically, the Duggars (the family in that picture) are neither Catholic nor LDS.

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post #57 of 114
7/8/11 at 8:12am
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Ironically, the Duggars (the family in that picture) are neither Catholic nor LDS.

That won't stopping those who apparently hate children or large families from mocking them.

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post #58 of 114
7/8/11 at 9:07am
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But he is complaining about provocative posting and he really has no choice since there isn't morality, reasoning or anything else for him to stand on.

A friend of mine recently finished Atlas Shrugged at my prompting and I went back into the book and reviewed a bit so we could discuss it. Though fiction, what she manages to capture so well is the language of folks like Mumbo Jumbo. He is a mob, or a consensus of one. You note this yet none of his language will change. He, alone, is always the group, the mob and knows what they think. You aren't right or wrong or good or bad. You are controversial, provocative or perhaps the new word du jour, extreme.

He is the unelected leader of the unspoken and unseen group that you must yield to for the good of all. By that of course he means for the good of him and his unpersuasive attempts at argument.

Watching you put on your grown-up, sombre face to defend Decent Argument is funny.

You're the guy who started this classic and many, many more like it. You're the guy who started a thread arguing that Democrats were mentally ill. And dozens of other equally sour and provocative posts and threads, basically designed to piss people off.

I'm not taking any fucking lessons in rhetoric from you. No matter how grave your face is all of a sudden.

Hypocrisy, maybe. Rhetoric, no.
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post #59 of 114
7/8/11 at 9:35am
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Your first post involved labeling religious beliefs as fairy tales. There's a big difference between disagreement and hate. You practice the latter. People are tired of your hatred. It's not justified and people don't have to tolerate you treating them the way you do.

I don't hate Rapunzel. I don't hate the Tooth Fairy. I don't hate Zeus. I don't hate Christ. There's nothing hateful about calling fiction, fiction. It's time we simply stop coddling adults and letting their imaginary friends rule many of the laws this society implements.

You are free to believe whatever wacky, wild shit you want. You aren't free from being laughed at as a result. If we had people here espousing homeopathy, I'd be railing against that pseudoscientific nonsense as well. We just don't. We happen to have an abundance of cultist nutcases on this board.

 

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post #60 of 114
7/8/11 at 9:38am
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I don't hate Rapunzel. I don't hate the Tooth Fairy. I don't hate Zeus. I don't hate Christ. There's nothing hateful about calling fiction, fiction. It's time we simply stop coddling adults and letting their imaginary friends rule many of the laws this society implements.

Strip government of the immoral power it has over us and you don't have to worry about people who believe differently than you using it to force you to live your life a certain way.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

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7/8/11 at 9:40am
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Or admit that government can and does work well in every other successful developed first world nation and stop clamoring for a Randian dystopia. When we keep electing people whose platform is that government doesn't work...and then government doesn't work...MAYBE IT'S THE FUCKERS WHO WE ELECTED WHO WERE THE PROBLEM, NOT THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF.

A republican in office is like having me run your local church.

 

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7/8/11 at 9:48am
  1. Or you can admit that every other "successful, developed first-world nation" is on the brink of bankruptcy and that people are burning cars in the streets.
  2. Quote me where I have advocated anything close to a "Randian dystopia".
  3. Ron Paul or Gary Johnson are the only Republicans I would vote for.
  4. Please explain how the people running government, on the government payroll, or in positions of leadership or responsibility in government are not the government itself. We keep electing people who believe it's okay to use their position in government to force people to do what they want. That's the problem.

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7/8/11 at 9:54am
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  1. Or you can admit that every other "successful, developed first-world nation" is on the brink of bankruptcy and that people are burning cars in the streets.



Every other developed first world nation?

You've been listening to too much Alex Jones.

You don't, actually, know very much about the real world do you?

Buy a plane ticket. Come with me to eat sausages in Germany and look at the views in Norway. We'll go by taxpayer-funded train.

I'll buy you a plane ticket to Nigeria, but you'll have to go on your own. You'll love it. There's a church on every single street corner and no one pays taxes.

You'll need an armed escort, but that should be fine. You'll be giving someone a job that the state doesn't provide.
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post #64 of 114
7/8/11 at 9:58am
You mean my statement was just as absurd as BR's? Naw...really?

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7/8/11 at 10:03am
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You mean my statement was just as absurd as BR's? Naw...really?

No, BR's right.

When you say "government is immoral" that's... well, I'd call that *extreme", but apparently no-one's extreme apart from the evil communist Barack Obama and his economic advisory team from Goldman Sachs, so you have to be right wing to be able to use that word.

In my experience, countries with no government tend to be really difficult, violent places to live.

There is no magic in establishing minimal government. It's an absurd, reductive and, yes, extremist argument.

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7/8/11 at 10:05am
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Jazz, your statement was absurd, but mine was not. Look at successful, first world nations in this world. ALL of them are MUCH farther to the left economically than the US.

 

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7/8/11 at 10:05am
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No, BR's right.

When you say "government is immoral" that's... well, I'd call that *extreme", but apparently no-one's extreme apart from the evil communist Barack Obama and his economic advisory team from Goldman Sachs, so you have to be right wing to be able to use that word.

In my experience, countries with no government tend to be really difficult, violent places to live.

There is no magic in establishing minimal government. It's an absurd, reductive and, yes, extremist argument.


Ding.

 

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7/8/11 at 10:07am
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No, BR's right.

When you say "government is immoral" that's... well, I'd call that *extreme", but apparently no-one's extreme apart from the evil communist Barack Obama and his economic advisory team from Goldman Sachs, so you have to be right wing to be able to use that word.

In my experience, countries with no government tend to be really difficult, violent places to live.

There is no magic in establishing minimal government. It's an absurd, reductive and, yes, extremist argument.


I said the power government has over us is immoral, not that government is immoral.

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7/8/11 at 10:09am
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Watching you put on your grown-up, sombre face to defend Decent Argument is funny.

You're the guy who started this classic and many, many more like it. You're the guy who started a thread arguing that Democrats were mentally ill. And dozens of other equally sour and provocative posts and threads, basically designed to piss people off.

I'm not taking any fucking lessons in rhetoric from you. No matter how grave your face is all of a sudden.

Hypocrisy, maybe. Rhetoric, no.

It is a classic thread. That is absolutely true and the fact that you work tirelessly to personify it makes it even more classic.

MJ, do you not consider it mentally ill when a person speaks for a mob and they are the only member? Do you not consider it mentally ill when they allege mob tactics and actions of others when no evidence exists?

See I do and perhaps that is the difference. The alleged mob, their language use and rationales are just transparent and sort of sad.

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I don't hate Rapunzel. I don't hate the Tooth Fairy. I don't hate Zeus. I don't hate Christ. There's nothing hateful about calling fiction, fiction. It's time we simply stop coddling adults and letting their imaginary friends rule many of the laws this society implements.

You are free to believe whatever wacky, wild shit you want. You aren't free from being laughed at as a result. If we had people here espousing homeopathy, I'd be railing against that pseudoscientific nonsense as well. We just don't. We happen to have an abundance of cultist nutcases on this board.

Why rail against it? Shouldn't a belief system stand or fail on it's own?

See this is where words have to mean something. You claim tolerance yet rail against has a meaning.

Roget's Thesaurus:
rail against: To attack with harsh, often insulting language: abuse, assail, revile, vituperate.

It's a verb. Your own words reveal your own actions. You don't let people believe as they want and you believe as you want. You claim the verb tolerance but practice hate. That is insane reasoning.

People can submit laws, rules and actions for this society and they don't NEED your approval for their motivations or intentions. If someone believes all people are equal under law because God said so or because a philosopher thinks so, they both have the same standing. You declare one invalid. In addition declare it your right to abuse them and on top of it, declare it not acceptable that they participate in society. You declare their participation to be "coddling" and declare they ought not be allowed to participate in the creation of the laws that govern us.

That is a scary and authoritarian sentiment and given the abuse with which you apply it, the outcome is frightening.

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post #70 of 114
7/8/11 at 10:09am
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Jazz, your statement was absurd, but mine was not. Look at successful, first world nations in this world. ALL of them are MUCH farther to the left economically than the US.

ALL "successful, first world nations" are much farther to the left economically than the US? Really?

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7/8/11 at 10:15am
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Why rail against it? Shouldn't a belief system stand or fail on it's own?

Ideally, sure. But we have a large percentage of the population who have been indoctrinated from a very early age to ignore reality and distrust sound science. I will rail against ignorance. I'm not ashamed of my verb usage. I am not ashamed to use harsh language to scold those who would put us on a path toward a new dark ages.

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Somebody here doesn't know what "or" means.

 

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7/8/11 at 10:15am
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Every other developed first world nation?

You've been listening to too much Alex Jones.

You don't, actually, know very much about the real world do you?

Buy a plane ticket. Come with me to eat sausages in Germany and look at the views in Norway. We'll go by taxpayer-funded train.

I'll buy you a plane ticket to Nigeria, but you'll have to go on your own. You'll love it. There's a church on every single street corner and no one pays taxes.

You'll need an armed escort, but that should be fine. You'll be giving someone a job that the state doesn't provide.

You are welcome to show countries in similar parts of the world that have used successful collective models. Show the shining example of of collectivism around Nigeria that is radically different from Nigeria.

As for Europe, I'm sure people were still enjoying meals and a nice round of drinks on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. That doesn't deny it sank though nor that it would. Demographic changes, currency issues, etc show Europe is failing.

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No, BR's right.

When you say "government is immoral" that's... well, I'd call that *extreme", but apparently no-one's extreme apart from the evil communist Barack Obama and his economic advisory team from Goldman Sachs, so you have to be right wing to be able to use that word.

In my experience, countries with no government tend to be really difficult, violent places to live.

There is no magic in establishing minimal government. It's an absurd, reductive and, yes, extremist argument.


Your experience continues to have a racist tinge to it whereby you hold up your European examples and the best and note the places in the world Europe exploited and damaged as the examples of what is wrong. Let's have Nigeria cart off goods from Germany for 150 years and afterwards when Germany can't seem to get it's shit together, we can hold it up as an example what is bad.

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7/8/11 at 10:16am
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ALL "successful, first world nations" are much farther to the left economically than the US? Really?

Yes. You don't get to choose your own facts.

 

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7/8/11 at 10:17am
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I am not ashamed to use harsh language to scold those who would put us on a path toward a new dark ages.

Again, if government didn't have the power to force you to live your life a certain way, you would have nothing to worry about.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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7/8/11 at 10:18am
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Yes. You don't get to choose your own facts.

Please list all the first world nations you consider to be successful and explain how their economies are "much further to the left" than the U.S.

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7/8/11 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by jazzguru View Post

ALL "successful, first world nations" are much farther to the left economically than the US? Really?

If you can name one that isn't, I'll buy you a pizza.
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post #77 of 114
7/8/11 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by Mumbo Jumbo View Post

If you can name one that isn't, I'll buy you a pizza.

I need to know more about the criteria he is using - how he defines "successful" and "MUCH farther to the left" before I can comment.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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post #78 of 114
7/8/11 at 10:35am
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It is a classic thread. That is absolutely true and the fact that you work tirelessly to personify it makes it even more classic.

MJ, do you not consider it mentally ill when a person speaks for a mob and they are the only member? Do you not consider it mentally ill when they allege mob tactics and actions of others when no evidence exists?

Oh look. I'm disagreeing with trumptman. Suddenly he's defining me as "part of a mob" and defining my disagreement as symptomatic of mental illness. At the same time he's defending a thread that describes "liberals" as automatically arrogant, en entier, and whining about mob tactics.

Oh, go away trumptman. Come back when you argue like a grown up.
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post #79 of 114
7/8/11 at 10:43am
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Pick any blue country that doesn't have a debt crisis and it's farther left economically than the US.



Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World

 

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“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
-Sagan
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post #80 of 114
7/8/11 at 10:45am
I swear this is the dumbest fucking thread ever started here.
The politics of charisma is so Third World. Americans were never going to buy into it for long. - Foudad Ajami
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The politics of charisma is so Third World. Americans were never going to buy into it for long. - Foudad Ajami
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